Quote from Deleo

I think that main cause of a lower death rate is that more younger people are testing positive. Perhaps more Doctors are using Dexamethasone or Remdesivir and that is causing more people to survive. It would be interesting to know that.

You mix two things: Dexamethasone is a last resort for Ventilation patients and 1/8 does additionally survive with ivermectin it would be at least 1/2.

Remdesivir does not help anybody to survive at least not measurable. But doctor/Gilead do make a lot of cash with you.

Quote from Alan Smith

Does anybody have an idea why there are so many cases in meat-packing plants, we have the same thing here in the UK?

According to todays German TV: The old daddy Tonnies is a mafiosi trying to cheat the state law like the best US mafia bosses. He employs cheap far east European labor and sucks them out - with the help of sub contractor mafia - like a leech.

They overpay a cheap mattress place to sleep in shifts in a small room.

But the real cause: Germans eat tons of meet like the US or UK folks. The cheaper the more they eat. All these countries hold/ treat their animals under the most outraging conditions. Usually these creatures only survive thanks to strong antibiotics. If you once did cook pork meet in these countries then you know how much water flows out thank to Bactrine feeding.

Swiss pork is great. We farm the pigs in small groups and all must see daylight. But it costs 2-3 times the German/US/UK price.

Quote from Alan Smith

Does anybody have an idea why there are so many cases in meat-packing plants,

https://www.france24.com/en/20…us-factories-experts-warn

A lot of the meat-packing freezing workers workers I knew in NZ had poor health due to high meat consumption + smoking + alcohol + randomness?

Most missed out on dying from Covid because of morbidity due to cardiovvascular disease..

example of randomness.. throwing bull's gentalia at highspeed at each other..

Quote from Alan Smith

Does anybody have an idea why there are so many cases in meat-packing plants, we have the same thing here in the UK? Is it something unique to the way they operate - close contact increasing rates of transmission, or are animals asymptomatic virus carriers.?

https://www.wired.com/story/wh…ecome-covid-19-hot-spots/

Frigid temperatures, cramped conditions, and long hours put meat processing workers at higher risk for contracting the novel coronavirus.

Quote from Alan Smith

Is it something unique to the way they operate - close contact increasing rates of transmission, or are animals asymptomatic virus carriers.?

The press says it is because the workers are close together. There has been no mention of animals as carriers. The labor unions are pressing to have the workers stand farther apart, even though this would slow down production. See the photo here:

https://civileats.com/2020/04/…emic-makes-it-much-worse/

See:

https://www.wired.com/story/wh…ecome-covid-19-hot-spots/

Why Meatpacking Plants Have Become Covid-19 Hot Spots

Frigid temperatures, cramped conditions, and long hours put meat processing workers at higher risk for contracting the novel coronavirus.

Quote from JedRothwell

Frigid temperatures, cramped conditions, and long hours put meat processing workers at higher risk for contracting the novel coronavirus.

Cold air --> droplets stay longer. The rest is just pure predator capitalism.

Less space used --> less rent--> cheaper meet --> larger turn around --> more margin the mantra of the human slaughterhouse house called:: Harvard business school.

I must say, these articles about meatpacking plants make me wish for more progress in cultured mean. (In vitro meat production.) We need to close down the whole industry. It is cruel to the animals, and hard on the workers. It should all be done with clean, bacteria free machinery and robots. The meat will have fewer additives and it will be better for you. The energy and water costs per pound are far lower than meat grown on animals.

Lately I have tried grilling Beyond Meat brand fake sausage and hamburgers. They are remarkably good. Surprisingly similar to real meat. My wife prefers it. The sausage is less salty. But cultured meat is the answer. As soon as they can make it into something similar to a steak, I'll take it, even if it costs more.

I strongly agree with this editorial. It says everything I have been saying, in fewer words. The history of pellagra is very telling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0…on/coronavirus-trump.html

A Plague of Willful Ignorance

Trump has empowered America’s anti-rational streak.

China Study: Both Chloroquine and HCQ work, but HCQ works better

Efficacy and safety of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine in moderate type of COVID-19:

a prospective open-label randomized controlled study

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…101/2020.06.19.20136093v1

The unholy alliance Politics+Money+Media trumps public health

Suppression of Chloroquine is Scandalous

https://joshmitteldorf.science…hloroquine-is-scandalous/

Hopefully, clinical trials will validate promising, inexpensive ivermectin

Ivermectin and COVID-19: Study Published In Nature Journal Suggest That Ivermectin Could Be A Complementary Antiviral Drug To Help Treat COVID-19

https://www.thailandmedical.ne…ug-to-help-treat-covid-19

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

Tens of thousands of Covid19 survivors in UK could suffer from pulmonary fibrosis in the lungs.

BBC article on lung scarring after Covid19

Quote from Lou Pagnucco

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

That's exactly the problem with Ivermectin.

Big pharma mafia did ban the use of Ivermectin as it also did ban Praziquantel ( or 100x over prized for human use in most western countries) because both do extensively reduce the Big pharma mafia costumer base for cancer drugs. Now Ivermectin will reduce the number of profitable future lung damage patients that Big pharma mafia will need as a replacement herd for the CoV-19 lost cancer patients.

Quote from JedRothwell

Just started when? A significant increase began on May 27. Deaths have not increased as much.

In the U.S. as a whole, deaths have been declining fairly steadily since around April 30:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's good news. That has been happening even as total cases remained high. Several reasons have been suggested. I don't have enough statistical information to hazard a guess which is correct. Maybe it is a combination of factors? Maybe they vary from local to another? The main ones I have read include:

1. More testing being done, which reveals more cases. That may be the case in Georgia. It is hard to say. Health officials in Florida and elsewhere say that is not the case, because they are finding more cases per test. It has risen from 8 to 14% percent positive in recent weeks as Florida cases have spiked.

2. Better treatments, so more patients survive. I hope so!

3. More young people getting sick. They survive better. But that is still bad news. See:

Young people in the US South and West are increasingly getting coronavirus

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22…navirus-monday/index.html

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CNN????

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Quote from Roseland67

CNN????

LOL

You can find the same information in many other places. Since you can confirm it, there is no reason to doubt CNN.

Interestingly end of February, beginning of Mars we have our sports vacation in Sweden. It is estimated that during this time 1/10th of the Swedish population (a normal year is 16%) was going abroad. We managed to track and test the people coming back from Italy and all planes from China. But the spread in other countries meant that we got hit and the spread was so much in the society that FHM decided to put all resources e.g. medical people tracking and testing on making sure the hospitals could cope, we did not have many icu units at that time. This explains probably the different outcomes among the nordic countries excluding elderly health care. It is a myth that Sweden did not close down, we just use social blaming and recommendations. The compliancy is around 80-90%. The travelling in eastern was down 95% in stockholm on some popular targets like Gotland (Visby on Gotland is well worth a visit if you come here). We see that more cases amongs the young one. And a lot less in the nurseries. Mean age of death in covid-19 currently is 83 years, close to the mean age in Sweden, and the death rate is currently 35 persons a day according to an average that the authorities use. The death statistics is not showing any significant mortality rate compared to a normal year. It is known that it is difficult to compare death rates between countries as the definition of a valid covid-19 death is different from country to country. I do not understand where the deaths comes from, maybe the elederly with home assistance (very common in Sweden). Interestingly the number of severe cases (probably hospitalized but not nessesary icu) in covid-19 is stable althe the number on icu is improving, this is a worrysome statistic and maybe a consequence of a higher fraction young people getting ill.

Quote from Alan Smith

Let's not have any more politics.

Krugman's article is not political. It describes history and facts about the present day. Indisputable facts. People who want to know about U.S. historical attitudes towards science and medicine should study the history of pellagra. Opposition to science, in particular evolution and global warming, is widespread in the U.S., and in both political parties. But it is stronger in the south and in the GOP. Public opinion polls bear that out. It is not political to point this out but factual.

If the U.S. response to the coronavirus is not anti-science, what on earth would you call it? What else could it be? Why does the U.S. have a thousand times more cases per day than Japan or Korea, if not because we refuse to use scientific methods to control the disease? HHS Sec. Alzar has said this is because our population is less healthy than theirs. There is some truth to that. But it cannot explain three orders of magnitude more infections. Besides, healthy people are infected as easily as unhealthy people. Unhealthy people don't survive as well, but the infection rate is about the same as far as I know.

Quote from Shane D.

"Americans living in the south are ignorant. They ignored the threat of Pellagra back in 1915 as "fiction", as do southerners, along with Trump supporters everywhere, ignore the threat of COVID today.

Americans living in the south are definitely more ignorant than the national average. SAT scores and high school dropout rates show that. Obviously, that is a statistical generalization. People in Atlanta who go to Georgia Tech are smarter and better educated than the national average. You exaggerate when you say "Trump supporters everywhere." But public opinion polls show that Trump supporters are more inclined to dismiss the seriousness of the coronavirus, and they are more inclined to oppose evolution and global warming. Again, that is a statistical generalization, which means you can find millions of individual Trump supporters who do not fit that description, and millions of Biden supporters who do. Thousands of hardcore Trump supporters do ignore the threat of COVID. Most of them did not wear masks in the recent rally, and many told reporters they do not believe COVID-19 is a serious threat. When you see ~6,000 people not wearing masks in a crowded indoor space, that is proof they do not take the threat seriously.

Quote from Shane D.

https://outkick.com/media-igno…eath-collapse-in-country/

US deaths down 70% over a 7 day average. New cases are rising, but mostly asymptomatic, or mildly so. With deaths declining, it looks to be a good trend. Some doctors report the virus is losing it's punch, and the data so far supports that.

Maybe more transmitting outside, with heat and dry conditions this might mean that the amount you get is less if you get it and perhaps the reason why you get more mild symptoms.