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Quote from Shane D.

I remember reading that also, but then there was no more said about it. This NYT's article clearly shows in graphics how communist China allowed their Wuhan international flights to continue, and in effect seeded the virus throughout the world. https://www.nytimes.com/intera…d/coronavirus-spread.html

There were 900 people a week landing in NY every week alone. Theycarried the virus home, where it spread like wildfire. My guess, is that NY got hit from the east (Italy) with a slight mutation, and west (Wuhan), which may be another reason why it was so bad there. They will figure it out one day. Not that it makes much of a difference now, as the damage is done.

The timing of the start of the spread indicates travellers count 10 days from when the exponential increase starts march 15 the increase starts the the infection is from week 9,10 when there was quite a lot of spread from the italian version in the air, much like a lot of other countries. So I doubt it came directly from Wuhan to New York. But the issue remains, Italia got it from Wuhan. On the other hand all countries are bad in my eyes as we should have closed down air traffic completely when cases outside China started to pop up. Had we done so, we would have had very few deaths. And everything could have been saved by track and trace to the cost of maybe two weeks of stand still of air traffic. We really should learn that we need a big red stop button for air traffic. That's the root cause of all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?…Gw&feature=em-uploademail

Persistent & Lingering Symptoms After COVID-19 - "Long Haulers"

you don't want to get covid.

Quote from Shane D.

I remember reading that also, but then there was no more said about it. This NYT's article clearly shows in graphics how communist China allowed their Wuhan international flights to continue, and in effect seeded the virus throughout the world.

The point is, New York would have been infected at the same time, to the same extent, even if not a single person had come in from China. If the entire Chinese nation had vanished overnight, it would have made no difference, because the virus from Italy increased exponentially, as viruses always do in an epidemic. One infected person from Italy would be enough to trigger the whole U.S.

This also means that Trump's claim that he saved millions of lives by closing off China is nonsense. First, he did not close it off. He allowed in thousands of Americans, who are just as likely to be infected as Chinese citizens. Second, even if he had closed off everyone, it would only delay the infection for a short time. Third, by the time he did it, the infection was already widespread in the U.S., as shown by later studies of blood samples taken in the early weeks of the pandemic.

Quote from Shane D.

communist China allowed their Wuhan international flights to continue, and in effect seeded the virus throughout the world.

Yes, but Italy also allowed international flights to continue, and seeded the virus across the world to a much much greater extent.

In both cases it was not clear, until too late, that there was a large risk.

Anyway, it is for each country to decide which visitors from which other countries should be quarantined. Ridiculous idea that China or Italy are to blame.

I read an article that explained that air ports has been big spreaders suspects of corona. One of the filthiest things there was the plastic containers used in the security, which at least I did not think of.

Quote from THHuxleynew

Yes, but Italy also allowed international flights to continue, and seeded the virus across the world to a much much greater extent.

In both cases it was not clear, until too late, that there was a large risk.

Anyway, it is for each country to decide which visitors from which other countries should be quarantined. Ridiculous idea that China or Italy are to blame.

lol and we managed to handle people from china and italy, but our spreaders came from USA and several other european contries.

Quote from Shane D.

https://www.news-medical.net/n…-Large-Spanish-Study.aspx

"A new study published in the preprint server medRxiv* in July 2020 reports that, of the 16 drugs currently used in the treatment of COVID-19, only two have any significant benefit on the clinical outcome."

"they first classified the 16 therapies used into four groups, namely, steroids, antivirals, antibiotics and immunomodulators. Taking into consideration that any of these treatments were likely chosen because of the severe presentation, they adjusted the analysis."

"They found small effect sizes for most medications except for prednisone, a corticosteroid, and hydroxychloroquine, an anti-inflammatory drug. These showed an associated reduction in mortality risk from COVID-19 of 15% and 16%, respectively."

"Compared with some recent results, this supports the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin. Both the viral load and the clinical outcomes were found to be superior with this drug."

"The current study shows that prednisone and hydroxychloroquine have at least a medium effect size after matching, which is seen even in patients on mechanical ventilation."

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You'd think this would be newsworthy.

Instead the news media (was just listening in Canada) inserts little clips about "Blogger talking about Vaccines/Covid conspiracies had account removed" as a way of inserting instructions into the airwaves. Don't talk about anything but authoritative content, or else...

Instead of counting cases, you should ask who put this on the dollar bill and why?

Quote from JedRothwell

Perhaps it is because Asian populations wear masks, although that would not stop hand-to-hand infections.

I don't think it is fair to compare Asian strain data with Italian strain data.

Quote from Navid

You'd think this would be newsworthy.

I think Chinese govt culpability either by stupidity or intent outweighs anybody elses

and AFAIK the freemason's sign is not on the yuan

there is somehting that looks like a virus though

Quote from Shane D.

So, is shutting down air travel from known pandemic countries an effective policy?

Shutting down all air travel is effective if there are very few cases and you have testing at the airport, quarantine, and case tracking and quarantine for the entire country in place. When there are already thousands of cases, and the government does not implement case tracking, then shutting down air travel makes no difference. It is closing the barn door after the horse runs away.

They have shut down most air travel in Japan, and they test every person who comes into the country. The traveler is not allowed out until the test result is available. That is effective. They catch several cases a day at the airports, and they know the rest of the people can be safely allowed into the country.

Quote from oldguy

I don't think it is fair to compare Asian strain data with Italian strain data.

The two cause the same disease, to the same extent. They are biologically identical. So of course you can compare them.

Quote from Shane D.

Had China/W.H.O. acted responsibly, Italy and NYC would not be in the position they were put in.

China is to blame. That is true, but irrelevant to this discussion. Trump said that closing down air travel from China may have delayed or prevented disease in New York. You said it may have spread in New York because many people came from Wuhan to New York. Neither statement is true. They might have been true, but we now know from DNA studies they are not. The disease in New York came mainly from Italy. If it had come from China, you would have a valid point, but it didn't, so you don't. That is not to say closing down China was a bad idea. It might have been a good idea, since people did not know the virus was already endemic in the U.S., and that it had come in from Italy already. It might have been a good idea, but it was too late, and in any case Trump did not do it. He only closed down foreign nationals, and he did not impose testing and a quarantine on people coming in, so it was useless.

The W.H.O. is not to blame. Their reports and videos were superb. Countries such as Greece and Korea did what they recommended, and they have practically no cases. The U.S. has had 140,000 dead people because the Federal government and Trump ignored the W.H.O. The east coast states are now doing what the W.H.O. recommended back in February, which is why their cases have dropped to European and Korean levels. Here is the W.H.O. presentation on Feb. 25. If we had done these things, U.S. deaths would probably be about ~1,000. 140,000 people have died in vain, hundreds of thousands more will suffer for years, and the economy has been devastated because we did not listen and we did not act.

Quote from Shane D.

Had China/W.H.O. acted responsibly, Italy and NYC would not be in the position they were put in. They would not to be defending their actions/policies, as they are now. The virus could have been contained in China far longer, and while eventually it probably would have spread around the world, we could have been much more prepared to minimized the deaths, and misery it has caused. Possibly even have a vaccine at the ready for when it arrived.

That is why I go easy on all governments, and politicians (including Cuomo and Trump) who are trying their honest best to deal with this burden thrust upon them by a ruthless communist goverment. They were given little, to no forewarning, and by the time they understood the seriousness of the problem, it was too late.

What I fear with the trend of pointing fingers at china is that we do not implement a stop button for air travel as a good second defence. It takes too litle to slib through the gates of one country. This time, yes, if the international flights was canceled we would have cancelled the outbreak. But next time with a nastier and more potent virus or bacterio we might not have this luxury.

Quote from JedRothwell

Shutting down all air travel is effective if there are very few cases and you have testing at the airport, quarantine, and case tracking and quarantine for the entire country in place.

I mean you cannot shut down every single flight. There has to be some number of doctors, experts, people with dying relatives, and other people who are allowed to fly. Plus the flight crews. If every single airplane is banned then you don't need testing at the airport, obviously.

Here is an excellent COVID-19 data graph generator. You can set this to show various different parameters, and you can select countries to be included. The version I link to here was in the New York Times, but you can set it up many other different ways.

https://ourworldindata.org/cor…c=location&pickerSort=asc

Zev Zelenko letter to President Trump..

"

To facilitate “Making America Healthy Again" and the widespread use of my clinical protocol, please consider taking the following actions:

All state regulations that obstruct access to HCQ must be removed restoring the primacy of the doctor-patient relationship;

Doctors and pharmacies must not be sanctioned for prescribing and dispensing HCQ to patients;

The federal government must ensure adequate supply and efficient distribution of HCQ; and

The option for prophylaxis with Zinc and HCQ should be offered to very-high-risk individuals.

Some new items, perhaps of interest:

Common supplement N-Acetyl Cysteine and cheap anti-parasite med Ivermectin are promising anti-COVID-19 treatments --

Conformational Perturbation of SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Using N-Acetyl Cysteine, a Molecular Scissor: A Probable Strategy to Combat COVID-19

https://chemrxiv.org/articles/…_Combat_COVID-19/12687923

Comparative docking of SARS-CoV-2 receptors antagonists from repurposing drugs

https://chemrxiv.org/articles/…y_Approved_Drugs/12044538

The new Brazilian study touted by The"News"Media (CNN,MSN,NBC,Barrons,...) as debunking HCQ --

Hydroxychloroquine with or without Azithromycin in Mild-to-Moderate Covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/…19014?query=featured_home

- Uses (400mg/bid) double the dose recommended by Zelenko

- Does not start treatment until 7 days after start of symptoms (Table 1), and

includes patients already on oxygen

- Reports a higher rate of QT-prolongation possibly indicating that COVID-19 related, or

disturbed electrolyte cardiac impairment was already present pre-treatment

- An excerpt: "Finally, although the median time from symptom onset to randomization

was 7 days, we included patients up to 14 days after the beginning of symptoms; it is

conceivable that interventions that may limit viral replication (e.g., hydroxychloroquine)

may be more effective earlier in the course of the disease."

Countries using hydroxychloroquine have low coronavirus fatality rate compared to

countries that don’t, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons says

https://techstartups.com/2020/…physicians-surgeons-says/

Peak Prosperity's latest video --

Covid-19 Is So Hard To Defeat Because It's So Alien To Us

-- indicates that COVID-19 binds to an astonishingly broad set of receptors.

(This leads me to speculate that HCQ's effectiveness is not likely via blocking cellular entry,

but rather by blocking of viral replication as a zinc ionophore, as Dr. Zelenko contends.)