A very informative debate on Covid vaccines and vaccines in general --
- Robert Kennedy, Jr starts detailing industry corruption earlier in the video,
but, starting at video time = 49:20, convincingly demonstrates how
Pharma Industry-Regulatory Agencies-News Media closely collaborate.
He details how FDA, CDC, NIH agencies and employees receive large profits by pushing
the narrative The"News"Media is currently promoting.
Heated Vaccine Debate - Kennedy Jr. vs Dershowitz
Kennedy believes that Covid measures - whether vaccines or microchips - benefit certain companies and people, like Bill Gates. No misinformation there.
That is profound misinformation. Gates gets no benefit from vaccines. His foundation is paying for them, not investing in them. It is a philanthropic organization, meaning it cannot earn money on the grants it gives out.
The Trump campaign is now asking people to wear masks. That's good. I am on the campaign mailing list. They just sent me this:
Patriots Wear Face Masks
Jed,
I know how difficult the past few months have been. Your unwavering support during this time has not gone unnoticed.
I am writing to you now, not to ask for a contribution, but to ask for your help.
We are all in this together, and while I know there has been some confusion surrounding the usage of face masks, I think it’s something we should all try to do when we are not able to be socially distanced from others.
I don’t love wearing them either. Masks may be good, they may be just okay, or they may be great. They can possibly help us get back to our American way of life that so many of us rightfully cherished before we were so terribly impacted by the China Virus.
My feeling is, we have nothing to lose, and possibly everything to gain, including the next chapter to our country, and to keep things open whether it be schools or businesses.
I recently tweeted that many view wearing a mask as a patriotic act, and there is no one more patriotic than me and you. Why not give it a shot!
Here is a good article in The Atlantic. Most of their articles are behind a paywall, but they are making the coronavirus stories free.
A virus has brought the world’s most powerful country to its knees.
U.S. daily cases may be leveling off or falling, thank goodness. The daily deaths show a 3-day decline but they always do on weekends and Monday, so that may not be significant. They will lag the daily cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
U.S. case mortality is 3.3%. That's better than the EU which is 9.6% (but they have many fewer cases). It is about the same as Japan, 2.7% or S. Korea 2.1%. I expect 2.1% is the minimum number because S. Korea has one of the best records for finding cases and treating them. They do not have many hidden cases -- which would skew the case mortality up. Neither does Japan.
See:
Ugly reality is ugly in all the third world,
Covid does not favour 1st, 2nd or third worlds
just human contacts,,
lower density and islands are less favoured
places like Paraguay and Costa Rica ,which use universal early HCQ ,are less favoured
Another observational story... not an RCT but I find the amount of observations that I have been personally involved with (not some internet rumor) but actual first hand, is quite interesting.
A while back I posted about a friends elderly aunt in Chicago who tested positive for Covid. Despite being in her mid 80's and having several severe existing health issues, her Covid symptoms were extremely mild, requiring no hospitalization and only resting care. She was a long sufferer of arthritis and on daily HCQ. Interesting.
Today, I had a call from a high school friend I had not talked to for a few years. He stated he tested positive in late March and had some severe flu symptoms, most notability very bad fatigue. It took him several weeks to get over it. His wife also tested positive and had a bad time of it, although neither required hospitalization. They have an adult daughter and grandchild who lives with them. While the daughter was in extreme close contact with both in the household, helping take care of them (before they took the tests to see if they had Covid), she never experienced any symptoms. Because she never experienced symptoms, she has not been tested, but in any case, it is almost certain she was heavily exposed.
Again, observational but very interesting, she has Lupus and takes HCQ daily.
RCT's have been extolled as the only "yard stick" in which to measure effectiveness. Yet RCT's are fraught with error if they are not designed or carried out properly. They take a long time and there is no guarantee that they will not miss a key "ingrediant".
It would seem simple, rather fast and statistically valid if a study was conducted that compared the rates of known Lupus and Arthritic patients, of the same age range that took and did not take HCQ and compare the COVID findings. There evidently is a very large patient base in the US alone that has Lupus or Arthritis. Comparing the patients who take HCQ versus who do not should tell an interesting story.
I expect some here will say that is not an RCT and therefore useless. However, if such a study showed findings such as I have observed in a minute sampling and it was shown the same over 4 or 5 thousand comparative cases, it would be hard to argue.
But then, I doubt no one will do it because it appears that there is a active movement in the US against HCQ. I am starting to see the same type of "anti- Ivermectin" stories circulated as well! 
How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”
Here is what is astounding about this story. The plan was excellent. It was exactly what the W.H.O. recommended in February, especially testing and case tracking, with 300,000 trackers. Fauci and other experts said it was great. If the Feds had implemented it, the U.S. would be in same place as Germany or New York State. The virus would be under control, and Trump would be headed for re-election.
So why did they drop it? No only did they drop it in late March, but they did not implement as single aspect of it after that! On the contrary, they are trying to gut funding for testing and case tracking.
The article describes some of the reasons they decided not to do it. They seem like political suicide to me.
Let me repeat the link:
That is profound misinformation. Gates gets no benefit from vaccines. His foundation is paying for them, not investing in them. It is a philanthropic organization, meaning it cannot earn money on the grants it gives out.
Untrue. Looks liked product placement for the Gates foundation -- "the philanthropist." That is comical.
First, Gates has massive investments in vaccines, and he has said he has made money from them. I have a video of him saying his ROI to Becky Quick (sp).
Second, part of his network of investments is ID2020. That is a Microsoft, Gavi alliance. That means it is a Gates Foundation initiative. These people know that ID leads to currency. They know where to enact control systems. The people of the earth are the business model. Remember "all 7 billion" of them.
Do we know ID2020 is problematic, yes from the very inside, the tech architect has resigned. She is a Harvard Lawyer so we trust her, and we must not trust you.
Elizabeth M. Renieris, said “At this stage, I can no longer even describe what ID2020’s mission is with any confidence,” Renieris, was one of six members of ID2020’s technical advisory committee. “All I can perceive is a desire to promote decentralized identity solutions at all costs.”
A technical architect resigned in the middle of a pandemic, when the holygrail chance for a vaccine related global ID is here. Renieris goes on to say, "“This is 100% a hammer looking for a nail.” Quote from the article, "Renieris worries about how the influence of corporations like Microsoft may influence the development of these systems."
This post also rats out the THH post about how Bill Gates trying to profit from a vaccine was a "conspiracy theory." Thus we know, this is product placement and misinformation campaigns running on the lenr-forum.
Let me repeat the link:
Vanity Fair writes
"Just three days later, news reports revealed that the Trump administration was trying to block any new funding for testing and contact tracing
in the new coronavirus relief package being hammered out in Congress.
As one member of the Rockefeller coalition said of the administration’s response,
“We’re dealing with a schizophrenic organization. Who the hell knows what’s going on? It’s just insanity.”
Perhaps the administration needs to be quarantined.
The psychiatric Macquarie Hospital with 200 patients
opposite my house with many schizophrenics ..has been quarantined for 10 weeks.
probably for the next two months..
Boulware's shameful plug for Gilead is just a small indication of what's wrong with the US
The Whitehouse is a honeypot for the greedy.
"While it may be a sticker shock for many, "from the health system perspective,
if remdesivir can shorten duration of hospitalisation by four days, then the medicine provides a reasonable value," Dr. David Boulware,
an infectious disease specialist at the University of Minnesota, said in an email.
Peter Maybarduk, a lawyer at the consumer group Public Citizen, called the price "an outrage."
"Remdesivir should be in the public domain" because the drug received at least $US70 million in public funding toward its development, he said.
"The price puts to rest any notion that drug companies will 'do the right thing' because it is a pandemic," Dr. Peter Bach,
a health policy expert at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Centre in New York said in an email.
"The price might have been fine if the company had demonstrated that the treatment saved lives. It didn't."
https://www.smh.com.au/busines…cism-20200630-p557gd.html
of course Boulware did not acknowledge any conflict of interest for his HCQ "ineffective" study
but did acknowledge it for aTropical Medicine Seminar,..November,2019
..Memory loss???
"David Boulware, Grant/Research Support, Gilead" November,2019
https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl…oa2016638_disclosures.pdf... the Boulware NEJM study June,2020
Dr Todaro on dr Fauci'e evidence..
1/ Dr. Fauci is misleading the American people when he says that randomized controlled trials have shown hydroxychloroquine to be ineffective. Here’s why.
Just doing the necessary political bias cleaning here.
The debate over HCQ is not (except in the benighted US) political.
And the medical establishment is not political. I have no idea whetehr Dr. Fauci so forgets his oath that he would deliberately advocate inferior treatment - seems unlikely.
So what is going on?
We have here public messaging. People don't make fine distinctions. If HCQ is maybe good then their president saying its good means they will (all, innapropriately) demand it. And the medical profession, right or wrong, but understandably, doe snot want physicians under pressure to prescribe something that has been shown to worsebn outcomes (that is true - not spin).
Now the arguments made here are:
(1) changing the outcome measure for Boulware post hoc - strong evidence for HCQ use as prophylaxis
(2) negatives in RCTs don't count because you need AZT or zinc. Contradicted by Boulware. If you take it is positive - then it is negative for the vast majority of use cases
So Fauci saying that it has been shown to be ineffective is true. He is not addressing the different question of what might be prophylatically effective. Boulware reinterpreted with different outcome measures looks promising for that - and worth a bigger more expensive test. In any case prophylaxis is not what people are talking about when they say treatment.
Please let us have less of this everyone famous in the medical or technological establishment lies stuff. Anyone famous making public statement quickly learns that messaging is difficult - that no-one will report or understand subtle details. Fauci is as far as I can see from the outside doing the best he possibly can for public health.
BTW - how many of those complaining about HCQ are suggesting prophylatic use, and how many (known ineffective or worse) post-symptom use)?
My big fear is that when a good enough vaccine emerges the "medical establishment lies" meme will so invigorate those with weird ideas that only 60% of the population will take it and the virus will stay endemic.
THH
Boulware's shameful plug for Gilead is just a small indication of what's wrong with the US
The Whitehouse is a honeypot for the greedy.
I'm sorry the US has this extraordinarily greedy (in terms of resources) private medical system. It is - from my UK point of view - not good for the whole country, and wasteful - even though it provides superb treatment for those with good money / insurance/
And I'm sorry US politics is so influenced by money. It is not nice seeing Trump using political influence to feather his families nest - but frankly if that was his only sin he could still be a great president. Such things are in the grand scheme of things less important than good leadership.
As for this anti-Gilead meme - which I have to say from over here looks veering on anti-semitism - consider the evidence.
Remdesivir appears to reduce hoispital time. BIG DEAL FOR HOSPITALS WHEN OVERLOADED - COST EFFECTIVE WHEN NOT.
HCQ does not help people in hospital.
Fauci on HCQ.. henry ford study
TM 1.33
"that was confounded by a number of issues, including the fact that many people who
were receiving hydroxychloroquine were also using corticosteroids,
which we know from another study gives a clear benefit in reducing deaths with advanced disease
Discussion of Dr Fauci.. re Henry Ford .. how to say Dr Fauci is lying ...politely...
"TM 2.48
well unfortunately i think what uh what steve has eloquently pointed out is
lying by omission is still lying it's very important to understand that
that study did correct for steroid use
but it also pointed out what we seem to see in
covid which is a steroid paradox where
if you have very mild disease steroids probably don't help you
whereas if you have more severe disease as quantified perhaps by a crp of greater than 20 steroid
dexamethasone specifically may be immensely helpful and what
i'm hearing is someone who is frankly very manipulative and dishonest as a scientist
Its sad that Dr Fauci's NIH could only find 20 volunteers for the large RCT of prophylaxis
which to be effective needed 2000 volunteers
was the NIH really trying..to test HCQ? how many people live in California?
I guess Fauci is never going to get "the data "in the USA..
on the other hand India has given HCQ +Zn to 74 million essential workers?
Moderna is aiming for 30,000 volunteers for the vaccine trial..
somehow I don't think they are going to get as low as 300..
Dr Been Covid treatment options discussion
First, Gates has massive investments in vaccines, and he has said he has made money from them. I have a video of him saying his ROI to Becky Quick (sp).
If anyone wants a good laugh, you should watch the video. The first 90 seconds should cover it.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/201…n-vaccinations-davos.html
Navid, you are either entirely disingenuous, or suffer from a staggering lack of comprehension. I'm fairly sure that it's the former, or else you'd have posted a link to the video yourself.
This post also rats out the THH post about how Bill Gates trying to profit from a vaccine was a "conspiracy theory." Thus we know, this is product placement and misinformation campaigns running on the lenr-forum.
Be aware that THH is a member of the (FR-) mafia. He here always did act as an agent on duty!
Just doing the necessary political bias cleaning here.
Remdesivir appears to reduce hoispital time. BIG DEAL FOR HOSPITALS WHEN OVERLOADED - COST EFFECTIVE WHEN NOT.
Next THH on duty call: Big deal for THH to sell the biggest lie. In fact overall hospital time increases as patients on Gilead crap die much longer !! than others save.
"Remdesivir should be in the public domain" because the drug received at least $US70 million in public funding toward its development, he said.
"The price puts to rest any notion that drug companies will 'do the right thing' because it is a pandemic," Dr. Peter Bach,
Wrong: It should not be used at all as it increases the burden of the health system!
If anyone wants a good laugh, you should watch the video. The first 90 seconds should cover it.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/201…n-vaccinations-davos.html
Navid, you are either entirely disingenuous, or suffer from a staggering lack of comprehension. I'm fairly sure that it's the former, or else you'd have posted a link to the video yourself.
I wonder why you swooped in to defend old Gates?
Because I didnt provide a link I'm disingenuous or lack comprehension? That is word-salad.
Interestingly at 545 he talks about the problem of Africa as population control. Anyone watching this video can see he sees the world through vaccines.
The fact that we know BHCG hormones were administered surreptitiously in vaccines to sterilize African women is a proven fact easily found.
But here is the kicker that CNBC video has been edited. And I can prove it.
Bill Gates said in that video he has had a 20:1 return (that is 2000%) on vaccines.
It is rather interesting that you knew the video I was talking about since there are tons of videos between Gates and Quick and this one isn't at the top of the search results.
