Shane it's because of this thread that I can speak to my doctor with some confidence of what early treatments would be best for me. .once I test positive I will inform my doctor and ask if any of my anti bat meds and supplements that I've ordered would he recommend. I will not follow present strategy of sitting at home waiting for symptoms to worsen. I have ivermectin as I own horses and have even self medicated after getting a bad case of chiggers acitone didn't work but ivermectin did. It is considered animal grade as it's not prescribed to humans in the US but my vet assured me it is exactly the same as what is prescribed the rest of the world. I'm feeling even better now thanks shane
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Move over HCQ, the "Ivermectin triple cocktail" is picking up momentum: https://www.trialsitenews.com/category/ivermectin/
They do not list it, but a Miami area (Broward County) Hospital system cut their mortality 48% with Iver. Same problem getting widespread acceptance as did HCQ...it is cheap, so no money to be made. Fortunately it does not come with the same political baggage as HCQ. Trump has been advised not to mention the "I" drug.
Have to give Wyttenbach credit for being ahead of this story. In fact, overall, I would say this thread has been leading the pack on just about every aspect of COVID.
Ivermectin has been touted as very successful in Argentina, Perú and Bolivia, and some doctors also talk about it in Chile. I think it has the same problem than HCQ in the sense that you need to take it as prophylactic, but is more or less agreed that it has less cardiac downsides than HCQ so the use of ivermectin, tho is not recommended, is left to the criteria of doctors and people without much fuss, at least in my country. The only treatment that seems to slash ICU deaths and is accepted and recommended in Chile is the Transfusion of plasma from recently recovered Patients. But is only for people that is critically ill, not before, so the people really don’t die but are left barely capable of anything after having their lungs ravaged by the virus.
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Has everyone been following Leronlimab? This treatment really works and results are proving it. This just announced today.
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Good news if confirmed.
Previous vaccines and masks may hold down Covid-19, some researchers say
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11…avirus-tuesday/index.html
"When we looked in the setting of Covid disease, we found that people who had prior vaccinations with a variety of vaccines -- for pneumococcus, influenza, hepatitis and others -- appeared to have a lower risk of getting Covid disease," Dr. Andrew Badley, an infectious disease specialist at Mayo Clinic told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Monday night. . . .
. . . Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at University of California, San Francisco, has been working with a team of researchers to understand how more people could go through their infections with minimal or no symptoms. About 40% of people infected with the virus don't have symptoms, according to an estimate last month by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Gandhi's team found masks make a difference.
"What the mask does is really reduce the amount of virus that you get in, if you do get infected," she said. "And by reducing that ... you have a lower dose, you're able to manage it, you're able to have a calm response and you have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all." . . .
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And at the same time an island of people being told not to eat the fish "churchexperts" from the sea as winter ran them out of crops and they all died.
It is the same with the Corana virus.
a group of islands..... some islands have "experts" who have never seen a problem like this before that say don't eat the fish and many on those island die. And there are some islands where there are "experts" that say eat the fish and 78% more of those people on those island live.
it is the same with the Corana virus
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Has everyone been following Leronlimab? This treatment really works and results are proving it. This just announced today.
Not really working just a small 10-20% improvement over placebo at day 3...
In any case - my relatively (for this board) negative stance is realistic, based on RCT results overall.
As said it is outrageous to ask for a RCT... Would you really treat dead sick people with placebos??
Or do you prefer the Oxford way, killing patients with an HCQ over dose??? As a true British I would immediately sue these criminals that did use an HCQ overdose... but obviously you are not allowed to do so. You prefer to base your thinking on such criminal efforts (no RCT...) , what makes it even more clear what your true position is.
Ugly, ugly...
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Has everyone been following Leronlimab? This treatment really works and results are proving it. This just announced today.
It looks pretty good, though as always I'd like to see the test details and how much cherry picking etc. I guess we find out - if the regulators like it enough it will get allowed quickly.
It does seem pretty likely we will have good treatments for all stages of COVID eventually, and should be able to stop it going to severe illness in nearly all cases. Just it takes a long time to work out what to give in what dose when.
THH
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As said it is outrageous to ask for a RCT
Well lots of people are doing RCTs, so lots of people obviously disagree with you.
Or do you prefer the Oxford way,
Yes, i prefer multi-arm interventional randomised trials. Everyone gets a possibly excellent treatment, you see which work best, over time you drop the least good ones and add new ones.
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Not sure what to think of this Russian vaccine:
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Two islands; New Zealand, and Hawaii, both which never really "reopened", are now back in strict lockdown. Few cases in each before now, and only a few new ones (cases) to trigger today's response. In the case of NZ, only one family is involved so far: "The cases have no known source and authorities are working to figure out where the family contracted coronavirus".
Hawaii has only 3276 cases, and 34 deaths so far. NZ far less. Appears to be an overreaction to me? Especially so when taking into consideration the cost in human lives, economic misery, and social upheaval lock-downs cause.
https://www.news.com.au/world/…e0cefbe75908ebda10f7507bf
https://www.staradvertiser.com…wide-tally-rises-to-3756/
Something else to consider; with the early, extraordinary measures NZ/Hawaii took, their unique geography, and still the virus still took hold...would the best policy be to do contact tracing, urge citizens to wear masks, and social distance?
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Appears to be an overreaction to me? Especially so when taking into consideration the cost in human lives, economic misery, and social upheaval lock-downs cause.
New Zealand has not had any lockdowns or economic misery. They are like S. Korea; they haven't needed these things. This "lockdown" is for one city, for three days, which is not likely to cause much economic damage:
https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/…ew-covid-19-cases-emerge/
[P.M.] Ardern ordered a lockdown for the city beginning midday Wednesday through midnight Friday — shuttering bars and businesses and prohibiting people from leaving their homes except to conduct essential activities. Schools will also be closed.
“These three days will give us time to assess the situation, gather information, make sure we have widespread contact tracing so we can find out more about how this case arose and make decisions about how to respond to it once we have further information,” Ardern said at a hastily called news conference late Tuesday.
Something else to consider; with the early, extraordinary measures NZ/Hawaii took, their unique geography, and still the virus still took hold...would the best policy be to do contact tracing, urge citizens to wear masks, and social distance?
No, the virus did not "take hold." They stamped it out.
I do not think the geography makes much difference. Hong Kong has had few cases. Japan has had only a few, and it is one of the largest countries in the world geographically. Not an island. To answer your question, I think the best thing to do is to stamp out the virus immediately using all of the tools available, so that people can get on with their lives more or less normally, shopping, going to work, going to school, and so on. If we had any a few hundred cases a day in the U.S., we would be in a far better place with far lower unemployment and less misery. Also, 160,000 fewer dead people. We could have accomplished that the same way Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and New Zealand did, without lockdowns. Contact tracing works as well with our population as theirs. There was never any need to lock down, except selectively for a few days in a few cities. We had to do it only because our leaders failed to do any of the other steps that would have precluded it.
A 3-day lockdown is a temporary way to get things back under control. The Japanese lockdowns have been more or less a voluntary partial joke. The lockdowns we had in the U.S. and Italy were a desperate last ditch effort when all else has failed. The thing is: all else did not fail in the U.S. Nothing else was done. Nothing else is being done, or planned.
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Something else to consider; with the early, extraordinary measures NZ/Hawaii took, their unique geography, and still the virus still took hold...would the best policy be to do contact tracing, urge citizens to wear masks, and social distance?
Yes it is the best policy.
Please head to S.D. and enforce
this policy.
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I do not think the geography makes much difference. Hong Kong has had few cases. Japan has had only a few, and it is one of the largest countries in the world geographically.
Within a country, geography and population density make at tremendous difference. Rural upstate New York and rural Yamaguchi Japan have had many, many times fewer cases per capita than urban areas.
Once the virus gets into a country, you have to be vigilant everywhere, but less vigilant in rural districts.
Yes it is the best policy.
Please head to S.D. and enforce
this policy.
Actually, S.D. on its own, with its own population, is doing okay. They have had 11,000 cases per million pop., compared to the U.S. average of 16,000, or Florida 25,000. They probably don't need any lockdowns. But all those people from other places crowding in without masks is disastrous. Along the same lines, the people in Yamaguchi tell me: "We're fine. We haven't had a single case. But all those tourists from Hiroshima showed up this holiday weekend, and we're afraid they are bringing it."
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Yes it is the best policy.
Please head to S.D. and enforce
this policy.
Don’t worry so much about where they are now, but where they go home to.
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New Zealand has not had any lockdowns or economic misery
NZ did a lockdown. Scaled it 1-4, and after severe air travel restrictions early on:
"The system began at level two, but on 25 March it had risen to level four. That triggered a total nationwide lockdown, with only essential services running and everyone told to stay at home, in their "bubble"."
Was there "economic misery"?...Well, I would say that if the economy was shut down (except for essential services), there was no doubt misery. Probably their media is like ours, and decided not to report it though.
No, the virus did not "take hold." They stamped it out.
I would somewhat agree, in that there was little to stamp out. They isolated themselves very well from incoming threats via air travel restrictions. Just threw that out there for arguments sake, strictly for those who might believe NZ's mitigation policies did not work.
A 3-day lockdown is a temporary way to get things back under control. The Japanese lockdowns have been more or less a voluntary partial joke. The lockdowns we had in the U.S. and Italy were a desperate last ditch effort when all else has failed. The thing is: all else did not fail in the U.S. Nothing else was done. Nothing else is being done, or planned.
You may have me there. Will look more into it. Still though, a 3 day lockdown in one city...all because a few people were infected? In a country with few total cases? Seems a little extreme to me, but will keep an open mind. -
DR Fauci makes sense of it.
Fauci "“So if we wanted to take the chance of hurting a lot of people or giving them something that doesn't work
, we could start doing this, you know, next week if we wanted to. But that's not the way it works.”
Where are the full data for the Gilead trial?
how many billions has the USA rushed into Remdesivir?
I am sure the Sputnik vaccine is a lot cheaper than Remdesivir..
its probably wise to wait for a few months to see it go round the world several times
and observe the fallout..
Trials in several countries ready by 2021 start?
South Korea, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Cuba.. UAE India
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Where are the full data for the Gilead trial?
how many billions has the USA rushed into Remdesivir?
https://justthenews.com/politi…nies-involved-coronavirus
"Eight members of NIH's COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel list financial ties to Gilead Sciences, whose COVID-19 drug remdesivir has been touted by Dr. Anthony Fauci."
