Is this true in Illinois?
Bob's your uncle" is a phrase commonly used in Ireland, United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries that means "and there it is" or "and there you have it".
Typically, someone says it to conclude a set of simple instructions or when a result is reached.
Have never heard that before,
and not my intended use.
I was simply agreeing with his reference to the liberal left media in the US, which I find
increasingly difficult to believe.
So help me Bob' pronounced 'swelpme Bob' which I suspect is a vulgarisation of 'So help me God'.
May Bob help America
.. and the Chicago Bulls
May Bob help America
.. and the Chicago Bulls
Unfortunately, post MJ, the Bulls are
“no gūda“
GO Raptors.
Display MoreThis is getting a bit political: and i don't want a political argument with you, it serves no purpose and i respect you too much to argue endlessly.
However one point here is non-political.
You are quite right I criticise Trump for this: because he brought science matters into politics, over-riding scientists about science. He has done this also with global warming.
I would criticise "liberal politicians" for the same, if they did it. At the moment, for reasons I don't understand, right-wing politics in the US (not the UK, where our right-wing government is very pro-science) seems to be strongly anti-science, left-wing not so much so. That has not always been true, and may change. When it does, you will find me criticising the left as I now criticise Trump.
So: I criticise Trump because he thinks he knows better than the scientists about science. That takes expert bashing too far. It is arrogant and stupid. And, he thinks that acting without agreement of the scientists, so you get mixed messages, is the right thing to do in a crisis. Even if he were right, and somehow better at scientific judgement than the scientists, Contradicting them on strength of 40% of the country having voted for him benefits no-one and leaves the whole country in a mess with mixed messages.
I have no problem with politicians taking the science data and making political judgments, as long as they do not make false science claims or (as in this case) take over the role of the (accountable) medics. You will notice here how careful I am to point out that anything i say is not a medical opinion and anyone wanting to dose themselves should seek medical advice, using info here if that is appropriate to inform their physician, who may or may not agree, and who carries the can when their patients die. Many doctors are ignorant. But all doctors are accountable and carry the serious responsibility of their patients welfare. Were I a public figure whose words many people respected and acted on I would be much more cautious and not even offer opinions on such matters, knowing that my words might over-ride doctors when I carry no medical responsibility. Trump does not carry this responsibility and he has no business giving medical advice.
Trump was voted in because he would be bold, drive through needed reform against the resistance of a corrupt establishment. Laudable if true. This is the other side of that and it is not helpful. I criticise it. So do many Republicans.
Best wishes,
THH
The problem I have with your response is that you have not treated this subject the same as others. You have and often rightly so, pointed out that one needs to look at the "Facts" about a situation to make credible discernment. That non-existing facts or misguiding anecdotes will lead to a false picture, more simply, not the truth.
You have committed this same sin in alleging that Trump made extravagant false claims about Covid medicines and that the furor about such is totally his fault. You make this claim falsely because you do not hold the liberal media accountable for the actual trespass. Trump has done nothing wrong as far a Covid Medicine (HCQ etc.), it was the liberal media. Yet you blame him. I challenged you to show fact and you side stepped by attempting to "equate" global warming stance to Covid. That is a strawman.
And that is my point. It not only lowers your credibility, but truly clouds the real picture. We may differ in views about some things, but I hope we agree that one should always use true facts, at least as one knows them.
I challenged you to show one supporting claim that Trump made "extravagant false" claims about Covid medicine, You did not, or could not and yet you still place the blame on him, associating a false statement with other facts such as global warming etc. The ends does not justify the means!
I cannot take HCQ for Covid, a personal decision I should have the ability to make. You blame Trump for this and it is not his! It is the liberal media and Democrats that have villanized HCQ from a purely political stand point. It was not Trump, it was the liberals, And that is fact. He has not prevented me from using it, the liberals have. It was not unreasonable for a politician to state that a particular medicine "could be a game changer and should be looked into", especially remembering this was all said several months ago!
So I fully understand you do not like Trump, that is not my point. I do not like his personality either. But I dislike fake and misleading narratives even more....a trait I think we have in common... whether it be disreputable LENR "researchers" or hopefully Covid as well.
If one cannot defend their criticism of Trump based upon facts, then you have no leg to legitimately stand on... it has become 100% pure political agenda which is akin to religion. Trump has plenty of issues that one can criticize him factually on, (as with EVERY politician) which is 100% OK. Do not lower your standards by joining the fake news agenda such as this however!
Thank you....
one supporting claim that Trump made "extravagant false" claims about Covid medicine
https://www.statnews.com/2020/…xychloroquine-fact-check/
We bought a tremendous amount of … hydroxychloroquine, which I think is, you know, it’s a great malaria drug. It’s worked unbelievably, it’s a powerful drug on malaria. And there are signs that it works on [coronavirus], some very strong signs. And in the meantime, it’s been around a long time, and also works very powerfully on lupus. So there are some very strong, powerful signs, and we’ll have to see. Because again, it’s being tested now, this is a new thing that just happened to us, the invisible enemy, we call it.
… It’s a very strong, powerful medicine, but it doesn’t kill people. We have some very good results and some very good tests. You’ve seen the same test that I have. In France, they had a very good test. But we don’t have time to go and say, gee, let’s take a couple of years and test it out. And let’s go and test with the test tubes and the laboratories. We don’t have time. I’d love to do that.
This remark is misinformation, rather than false information. It is true HCQ is good at prventing malaria - which is completly irrelevant to the point at hand - Trump quotes it as supporting evidence. "In France, they had a very good test". untrue. Raoult's test was very poor, as all the competent scientists who have looked at it say. Trump sets up his opinion against science,
I’m not a doctor. But I have common sense. The FDA feels good about it. As you know, they’ve approved it, they gave it a rapid approval, and the reason [is] because it’s been out there for a long time, and they know the side effects and they also know the potential.
The Food and Drug Administration has not approved hydroxychloroquine, or any other drug, as a coronavirus treatment. The FDA has, however, issued an emergency use authorization for the drug.
What do you have to lose? And a lot of people are saying that, and are taking it. If you’re a doctor or a nurse, a first responder, a medical person going into hospitals, they say taking it before the fact is good.
Given the surge in eBay sales of chloroquine phosphate, and the anecdotal reports in Arizona and Nigeria of patients poisoning themselves by self-administering chloroquine formulations, there’s concern throughout the public health community that Trump’s exhortations to try the drug could do more harm than good. Of course, Trump isn’t encouraging self-medication, telling Americans instead to “go through your medical people.”
So what do the medical people say? Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, has attempted to caution against the idea of hydroxychloroquine as a preventive medication. He tweeted Sunday: “Patients with lupus, arthritis, other conditions are *already* on hydroxychloroquine. And we are diagnosing them with Covid-19 LEFT AND RIGHT.”
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/…-19-vaccine-trials-start/
Trump retweets (see link) a tweet strongly advocating HCQ and calling fauci a fraud.
Given that Fauci represents the medical establishment - having POTUS say US medical establishment (or its most prominent representative) is fraudulent is exactly what I am complaining about. You will not find such from Obama. And the tweet retweted is false.
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/…n-is-banned-from-twitter/
Trump (again) defends HCQ after his son is banned from twitter for saying it is a cure for COVID.
Then Dr. Immanuel:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53579773
Facebook and Twitter have taken down the viral video in which she appears, saying it violates their policies about misinformation - but not before it was retweeted by Donald Trump and one of his sons.
The US president defended himself, saying he found Dr Immanuel, who was born in Cameroon and is based in the Texan city of Houston, "very impressive".
"She said that she had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients, I thought her voice was an important voice but I know nothing about her," he said on Tuesday.
(and BTW she is a nutjob of an extreme sort).
Trump delivers very strong medical opinions while saying "I am not a doctor", "I know nothing about this doctor". At the same time he promotes (via retweeting) those who say doctors are part of a conspiracy and fraudulent.
it is not about whether the exact words he used are false or true. He is canny enough over very high profile issues to backtrack and hedge any obviously false remarks. It is that he is quite clearly - and clear to the 30% of US population who strongly support him - making these claims and also supporting the view that the doctors are wrong. That has a very bad effect on US population actions, and trust in doctors at a time when it is desperately needed.
Evidence for US population not trusting medical establishment (or I can find plenty anecdotal evidence)?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
45K cases/day
approx 1K deaths / day ( 3 / 1M / day).
UK rate is 0.15 / 1M / day (population size adjusted figure is still 20X better - and the UK had a very bad epidemic peak due to early incompetence).
THH
Display Morehttps://www.statnews.com/2020/…xychloroquine-fact-check/
We bought a tremendous amount of … hydroxychloroquine, which I think is, you know, it’s a great malaria drug. It’s worked unbelievably, it’s a powerful drug on malaria. And there are signs that it works on [coronavirus], some very strong signs. And in the meantime, it’s been around a long time, and also works very powerfully on lupus. So there are some very strong, powerful signs, and we’ll have to see. Because again, it’s being tested now, this is a new thing that just happened to us, the invisible enemy, we call it.
… It’s a very strong, powerful medicine, but it doesn’t kill people. We have some very good results and some very good tests. You’ve seen the same test that I have. In France, they had a very good test. But we don’t have time to go and say, gee, let’s take a couple of years and test it out. And let’s go and test with the test tubes and the laboratories. We don’t have time. I’d love to do that.
This remark is misinformation, rather than false information. It is true HCQ is good at prventing malaria - which is completly irrelevant to the point at hand - Trump quotes it as supporting evidence. "In France, they had a very good test". untrue. Raoult's test was very poor, as all the competent scientists who have looked at it say. Trump sets up his opinion against science,
I’m not a doctor. But I have common sense. The FDA feels good about it. As you know, they’ve approved it, they gave it a rapid approval, and the reason [is] because it’s been out there for a long time, and they know the side effects and they also know the potential.
The Food and Drug Administration has not approved hydroxychloroquine, or any other drug, as a coronavirus treatment. The FDA has, however, issued an emergency use authorization for the drug.
What do you have to lose? And a lot of people are saying that, and are taking it. If you’re a doctor or a nurse, a first responder, a medical person going into hospitals, they say taking it before the fact is good.
Given the surge in eBay sales of chloroquine phosphate, and the anecdotal reports in Arizona and Nigeria of patients poisoning themselves by self-administering chloroquine formulations, there’s concern throughout the public health community that Trump’s exhortations to try the drug could do more harm than good. Of course, Trump isn’t encouraging self-medication, telling Americans instead to “go through your medical people.”
So what do the medical people say? Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, has attempted to caution against the idea of hydroxychloroquine as a preventive medication. He tweeted Sunday: “Patients with lupus, arthritis, other conditions are *already* on hydroxychloroquine. And we are diagnosing them with Covid-19 LEFT AND RIGHT.”
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/…-19-vaccine-trials-start/
Trump retweets (see link) a tweet strongly advocating HCQ and calling fauci a fraud.
Given that Fauci represents the medical establishment - having POTUS say US medical establishment (or its most prominent representative) is fraudulent is exactly what I am complaining about. You will not find such from Obama. And the tweet retweted is false.
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/…n-is-banned-from-twitter/
Trump (again) defends HCQ after his son is banned from twitter for saying it is a cure for COVID.
Then Dr. Immanuel:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53579773
Facebook and Twitter have taken down the viral video in which she appears, saying it violates their policies about misinformation - but not before it was retweeted by Donald Trump and one of his sons.
The US president defended himself, saying he found Dr Immanuel, who was born in Cameroon and is based in the Texan city of Houston, "very impressive".
"She said that she had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients, I thought her voice was an important voice but I know nothing about her," he said on Tuesday.
(and BTW she is a nutjob of an extreme sort).
Trump delivers very strong medical opinions while saying "I am not a doctor", "I know nothing about this doctor". At the same time he promotes (via retweeting) those who say doctors are part of a conspiracy and fraudulent.
it is not about whether the exact words he used are false or true. He is canny enough over very high profile issues to backtrack and hedge any obviously false remarks. It is that he is quite clearly - and clear to the 30% of US population who strongly support him - making these claims and also supporting the view that the doctors are wrong. That has a very bad effect on US population actions, and trust in doctors at a time when it is desperately needed.
Evidence for US population not trusting medical establishment (or I can find plenty anecdotal evidence)?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
45K cases/day
approx 1K deaths / day ( 3 / 1M / day).
UK rate is 0.15 / 1M / day (population size adjusted figure is still 20X better - and the UK had a very bad epidemic peak due to early incompetence).
THH
Thank you for your evidence and I guess we will have to simply disagree.
Now it is down to intent and innuendo. As you gave provided quotes from various medical sources, as you must realize, I can provide a counter one. Such as the Henry Ford Health Systems very positive position on HCQ.
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
You may argue their results but not their competency. I can argue your posts results and positions as well, providing counter links from medical sources. So we are at a stand off there. This very thread is full of reports that HCQ has a positive effect. Some more believable than others.
The vast majority of Trumps statements you post above are absolutely correct. HCQ is a long time use drug, it is very safe under doctors care, (he states to seek physicians care). You do not like this because you do not like him and therefore his motives MUST be villanous.... or so it seems. The rest of his statements are completely subject to opinion or interpretation. "it is not about whether the exact words he used are false or true. He is canny enough over very high profile issues to backtrack and hedge any obviously false remarks." I.E. "I can read his thoughts and agenda from between the lines". Well, I can make that same statement for every politician.... liberal or conservative. That does not make it true. People here often accuse YOUR intentions and motives as being anti-LENR. Are you? Why can you decipher Trumps intent and people here not able to decipher yours correctly? I think you can see what I mean here!
My last words on the subject is that the religion of science is not the last word in social politics. Science is important but not omni-important. That being a "nice guy" is not paramount job qualification for president. It is much, much more. One of the most important, is getting things done...the right things. The problem is that "the right things" are different in many peoples mind and thus political partisanship is birthed. Science can assist in prioritizing and qualifying but is not the only tool.
So we are now back to a stalemate. Both sides have medical opinion. Both sides CERTAINLY have political agenda. Neither side has absolute answers. But to decry one without the other is simple political partisanship. Plain and simple.
You read the above Trump statements and "see red". I read them and see standard political speech. No different than other politicians such as the ones calling to abolish (defund) the police, which is exponentially worse than saying the HCQ should be investigated.
But then, that will not be disparaged because the "right team" is pushing it! 
(My bias showing through here and I admit it! 
)
You may argue their results but not their competency.
Just one final thing. I find this happens quite a lot. Your position here is based on correctness; e.g. Trump is correct and therefore he is in the right.
Mine is based on process. science is uncertain, Trump may or may not be correct. For him to over-rule the scientisists (and trash them) in this way is all wrong.
People vary. Some are results oriented: get it right and you are a hero. Some are process oriented; do the right thing that more often than not gets it right overall and you are a hero, accepting that whether you are right or wrong on any particular case is variable.
So: I'm not arguing is Trump right or wrong. He is (badly - like he is calling them fraudulent) contradicting medical experts, at a time when above all success comes from population trusting those experts.
Sometimes the experts will be wrong, but even then, if people don't trust them, and for all the other things where they are most likely right do what their Facebook pages tell them, we are lost.
THH
Sometimes the experts will be wrong, but even then, if people don't trust them, and for all the other things where they are most likely right do what their Facebook pages tell them, we are lost.
If the President of the US, cannot discuss new lifesaving ideas on a national podium because "the experts" must not be wrong, because "the people must trust them" we are lost right then and there... Only a worn down blunt mind from the modern education system could think that a few committee members like Fauci and Birx in the US government should dictate policy and messaging for 350,000,000 people. Even a small city these days has world-class medical experts and physicians who need to be enlisted in new ideas.
Social control is the goal of education these days (see the Leipzig Connection). Unfortunately this European export, soul-less drivel, results in most of the problems in science and the socialistic materialist flag-wavers of it. For the next-generation, let's hope education gets back on track and rids us of "social order and cohesion" as the aim of a good education.
A particularly apt quote from this book applicable to Covid:
Two hallmarks of a failed educational [or Healthcare] system are: 1) its inability to produce people who can resolve the problems of education [Healthcare] itself, and 2) its propensity for elevating to positions of power and authority people who will invent, advocate, and enforce bizarre and destructive solutions. These "solutions" attack the culture like a cancer and prompt those responsible to apply a kind of cultural chemotherapy, painfully staving off the agonizing consequences of their ineptitude until a new echelon of mediocrats has succeeded them.
Anti body study from Iceland.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/1…2026116?articleTools=true
CONCLUSIONS
Our results indicate that antiviral antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 did not decline
within 4 months after diagnosis.
Display MoreIf the President of the US, cannot discuss new lifesaving ideas on a national podium because "the experts" must not be wrong, because "the people must trust them" we are lost right then and there... Only a worn down blunt mind from the modern education system could think that a few committee members like Fauci and Birx in the US government should dictate policy and messaging for 350,000,000 people. Even a small city these days has world-class medical experts and physicians who need to be enlisted in new ideas.
Social control is the goal of education these days (see the Leipzig Connection). Unfortunately this European export, soul-less drivel, results in most of the problems in science and the socialistic materialist flag-wavers of it. For the next-generation, let's hope education gets back on track and rids us of "social order and cohesion" as the aim of a good education.
A particularly apt quote from this book applicable to Covid:
Two hallmarks of a failed educational [or Healthcare] system are: 1) its inability to produce people who can resolve the problems of education [Healthcare] itself, and 2) its propensity for elevating to positions of power and authority people who will invent, advocate, and enforce bizarre and destructive solutions. These "solutions" attack the culture like a cancer and prompt those responsible to apply a kind of cultural chemotherapy, painfully staving off the agonizing consequences of their ineptitude until a new echelon of mediocrats has succeeded them.
I won't feed the trolls
elevating to positions of power and authority people who will invent, advocate, and enforce bizarre and destructive solutions
Hmmm...
From a Euro-centric standpoint, looking at the US, what would be the most glaring recent example of that I wonder?
Hmmm...
From a Euro-centric standpoint, looking at the US, what would be the most glaring recent example of that I wonder?
Your pattern matching system needs new boot code. Reality is not what you think.
...NURSE!!
LIVE now: https://freedomplatform.tv/dav…nation-reveals-the-truth/
1st revelation: Patent by Moderna of March 2019 has "deliberate release of beta [novel] corona-virus"
2nd revelation: Domestic terrorism law (of Patriot Act) can be used to prosecute this crime (actions intended to coerce a population). DOJ and Barr have obligation to prosecute.
3rd revelation: Some crimes are so egregious that people just can't believe it. Under legal structure they (eg Fauci) are violating anti-trust law - statement of fact.
Is it a full moon?
No. But October is a 'blue moon' month.
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