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Quote from Mark U

Firstly, Zelenko targeted just four specific individuals in his petition to the White House, not some nebulous "larger part of the medical establishment" as you put it. Why you change it like that is beyond me.

Secondly, "tasked with making difficult decisions"? How about the natural and default "decision" to let the doctors of America choose how to treat their patients with decades old approved medicines.

Thirdly, it is only a petition, but it is done as a matter of principle and historic record and as a reminder to the unelected officials in bureaucratic positions of power that they are not above the scathing scrutiny of the citizens of America.

Outside the politics-fraught US most medics don't give HCQ, and reckon it kills patients. They may be right or wrong. And why is he targeting those few individuals if that is the case, they are not in charge personally of which drugs are regulated?

that is as I've pointed out doctors doing their best to save life.

I think the attitude here is despicable (like Zelencko).

Remember the majority of the evidence says HCQ is actually bad for patients in the rather extreme sense that more of them die., And no credible evidence it works as an anti-viral.

You are free to disagree with this, but it is what honest doctors round the workd think. So why accuse US doctors for thinking the same thing and acting on it? it makes no sense to me except it seems in teh US medicine has become politicised. That is not the doing of the doctors.

Quote from Wyttenbach

JED: As you are a member of the F mafia your are obliged to spread this nonsense. There is no study that shows HCQ doesn't work as proposed in the Zelenko/Rauolt protocol. There are many fake studies paid by your friends (also the ones in WHO) that just want to tell the public that it doesn't work.

Germany does make wide spread use of HCQ as most doctors still swear the oath for humanity and not the one for the free masons/rotary support. May be you once check the deaths/cases.

I am losing patience with this. The strongest evidence against HCQ comes from international studies like RECOVERY where the doctors are betting on what they think most likely to work and testing it. Suggesting they are deliberately choosing drugs or protocols they think won't work is ridiculous and shows what the world has come to as evidenced in the US where science and facts are no longer relevant in politics, all that matters is how convincingly you lie.

I'v checked German cases/deaths, the seem comparable with the rest of the work in terms of IFR. Number of cases is so infinitely variable across countries and time that no sensible comparisons can be made

Haunted by mafias and dilettanted by fact-checkers...

And who says Zelenko isn’t a member of Wyttenbach’s infamous “jewish mafia”?

Inquiring minds need to know.

The WHO said remdesivir doesn't work so what's up with this?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/ma…9-treatment?cmpid=FNC_app

Quote from Wyttenbach

...with killing doses of HCQ (UK!!)

^ Ridiculous statement. Do you not understand the concept of pharmacological half-life?

Latest Global HCQ metanalysis..

https://c19study.com/c19study.pdf

"HCQ is effective for COVID-19.

The probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 118 studies to date

is estimated to be 1 in 23 million (p = 0.000000043).

•Early treatment is most successful, with 100% of studies reporting a positive effect and an estimated 63% reduction

in the effect measured (death, hospitalization, etc.) using a random effects meta-analysis, RR 0.37 [0.30-0.47].

•100% of Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs) for early, PrEP, or PEP treatment report positive effects,

the probability of this happening for an ineffective treatment is p=0.002.

•There is evidence of bias towards publishing negative results.

Significantly more retrospective studies report negative results compared to prospective studies, p = 0.04.

•Significantly more studies in North America report negative results compared to the rest of the world, p = 0.002."

Quote from Fm1

The WHO said remdesivir doesn't work so what's up with this?

https://www.newcastleherald.co…-results-on-drug/?cs=7579
Gilead: "We are concerned the data from this open-label global trial has not undergone the rigorous review required to allow for constructive scientific discussion,"

Richard Peto, an independent statistician hired by the WHO said

"It's a reliable result, don't let anybody tell you otherwise, because they'll try to,"

Is Gilead independent from $? or is the Thai restaurant opposed to Remdesivir?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Peto

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…10.15.20209817v1.full.pdf

Engineered ACE2 receptor traps potently neutralize SARS-CoV-2

"The optimized ACE2 receptor traps neutralize authentic SARS-CoV-2 infections as

effectively as high-affinity antibodies isolated from convalescent patients and also

bind viral spike proteins from other coronaviruses known to cause respiratory

diseases. ACE2 receptor traps have large binding interfaces and block the entire

receptor binding interface, limiting the potential impact of viral escape mutations."

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/10/21/2016093117

Hydroxychloroquine as pre-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19 in healthcare workers:

a randomized trial

- ~30% protection not statistically significant, light dose, no zinc

https://academic.oup.com/cid/a…1093/cid/ciaa1571/5929230

Aspirin use reduces risk of death in hospitalized patients

"...aspirin use was associated with a 44% reduction in the risk of being put

on a mechanical ventilator, a 43% decrease in the risk of ICU admission and

- most importantly - a 47% decrease in the risk of dying..."

https://medicalxpress.com/news…ospitalized-patients.html

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

Medcram - Oct-22

Coronavirus Update 114: COVID 19 Death Rate Drops; NAC (N-acetylcysteine) Data

- NAC appears to reduce inflammation in hospitalized COVID patients

Quote from Zeus46

^ Ridiculous statement. Do you not understand the concept of pharmacological half-life?

The UK criminal doctors used daily (for many days!) dose of 2000mg = 5x standard > single day max (for one day only) in other protocols.

But as a dilettante you obviously don't know that half live has been measured with healthy kidneys and livers that in the ICU cases the UK criminals sent to death was 100% not the case.

They also did not mandate zinc, +DOXY what shows that their sole intention was to construct an opposing study.

Quote from Alan Smith

https://www.nature.com/article…39373-b7acfea873-44567417

These folks never did look at the actual facts: A single person can infect 100..1000 others with CoV-19 just happened in Switzerland. So a vaccine must be 99.9 (1-1/Ro) protective to have an effect.

Or simply said: Waiting for a vaccine is a fools idea.

Many people have long time, > 6 months, symptoms as other people with the AIDS virus face too. So primary task must be to develop a suppressing drug that does not harm the body.

Quote from Lou Pagnucco

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/10/21/2016093117

Receptor traps are great for a short term cure but the body did "construct" the receptors for it's daily business use. So if the trap remains in the blood circulation it certainly will harm your health.

Such a virus trap should not mimic the ACE2 receptor. Instead it should bind to an adjacent part of the receptor that also will block the lock.

Quote from Wyttenbach

The UK criminal doctors used daily (for many days!) dose of 2000mg = 5x standard > single day max (for one day only) in other protocols.

But as a dilettante you obviously don't know that half live has been measured with healthy kidneys and livers that in the ICU cases the UK criminals sent to death was 100% not the case.

Daily, for many days!!! Shock and Horror!!!

People with arthritis take 200-400 mg per day, and the half life is 22 days.

The doses given in the covid study were minuscule compared to this, and Wyttenfacting about trial participants' liver and kidney health is just the desperate grasping of straws.

And talking of dilettantes, it is ironic that you, a man wholly uneducated in medical matters, thinks he knows better than the doctors who oversaw the trial.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong here - and you are very likely summiting "Mount Stupid".

Also, I've still not seen any evidence for your previous claim that German doctors are prescribing HCQ, and that this is helping patients (although not speaking German may hinder me here). Or more obviously, as Huxley suggests, any significant effect on Germany's standardised death rate.

So, like all good Wyttenfacts, these should be clearly stated as such, until you are able to produce some verifiable evidence.

Quote from Zeus46

Also, I've still not seen any evidence for your previous claim that German doctors are prescribing HCQ

May be your are not old enough for reading/understanding. I linked the article...

Quote from Zeus46

People with arthritis take 200-400 mg per day, and the half life is 22 days.

May be you try it with primary school math and check the LD50 dose of HCQ and the accumulated dose of 5x 2 grams.

I posted this some weeks ago already. So we must assume you simply support our big criminals helper troll.

Mods: Children should not be allowed to post here...

No question, doctors and patients are now joining the vitamin D revolution in large numbers. More and more doctors are ordering tests to determine vitamin D blood levels and more patients are reading about the positive benefits of vitamin D in news reports.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vitamin-d-benefits_b_15406950

Modern medicine is agonizingly slow in providing conclusive evidence as to whether vitamin D is the big antidote to the common cold and wintertime viral infections. But your family doesn't have to wait; vitamin D is relatively inexpensive, and concerns about overdosing are poorly-founded.

The biggest concern among doctors is that mega-dose vitamin D will cause a condition called hyper-calcification. But it takes about a million units of vitamin D for this to occur in healthy adults. Intake of 40 1,000-unit vitamin D pills a day would be required to produce toxicity in an adult.

Quote from Wyttenbach

May be your are not old enough for reading/understanding. I linked the article...

Would you mind linking it again, thank you. I’d be interested to read it.

Quote from Wyttenbach

May be you try it with primary school math and check the LD50 dose of HCQ and the accumulated dose of 5x 2 grams.

The LD50 of HCQ is 1g/kg in mice. https://entokey.com/toxicology…e-retinopathy-they-cause/. So I’m not sure what your point is, but it’s likely wrong.

But no doubt you know better than the researchers who wrote that paper though, and the doctors who designed that HCQ trial, and the board that approved it, and the General Medical Council - who generally dislike killer doctors, and the Crown Prosecution Service - who feel the same way, and all those other doctors - who read it and said nothing. A super genius for sure.

Or perhaps... You are just a highly deluded conspiratorial fruitcake... Occam’s Razor and that.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Mods: Children should not be allowed to post here...

And neither should andropausal old men who are oddly angry with the world...

https://www.healthline.com/hea…h/irritable-male-syndrome

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Unelect everyone,

gotta keep a few of them.. what a mess.

Quote from Wyttenbach

These folks never did look at the actual facts: A single person can infect 100..1000 others with CoV-19 just happened in Switzerland. So a vaccine must be 99.9 (1-1/Ro) protective to have an effect.

That does not follow. Perhaps a single person can infect 100 others, but that would be an extremely rare event. Most infected people will only infect a few others, mainly family members. Most infected people feel sick and will not go to a crowded bar or some other place where they can infect large numbers of people. Occasionally, a person will be asymptomatic and will infect others without realizing it. But the average number of others infected will be far lower than 100 people. If it was anything close to that, or even 10 or 20, the whole human race would be infected by now.