Takahashi: Enhancement of Excess Thermal Power in Interaction of Nano-Metal and H(D)-Gas

Quote from Curbina

in order to better understand your point, can you provide a numerical exercise such that would allow

Ascoli refers to a pic.

A detailed conventional layout of equations

showing all assumptions is required..

such as the airconditioner cycle.

the kind of heat transfer that Ascoli purports is a a fiction

like moisture in calcined fuel

full marks for persistence ..zero marks for intelligibility

Quote from Curbina

I think a numerical exercise can be helpful.

As long as it isn't a pic and is intelligible..easily.. with ALL assumptions stated

Ascoli is in the business of obfuscation.. not intelligibility in my experience

when I analysed his flimsy hypothesis on Mizuno's alleged fudging of the calorimetry

the way the hypothesis was expressed was barely intelligible..

with a mixture of words and pics

and the statistical refutation of that hypothesis took considerable time..

Quote from Curbina

If is exposed to air, then one can see if the change he claims is of high enough magnitude to affect the TC4 reading.

No need to discuss: TC4 often oscillates with a high frequency like the bubbles in a pale ale....

I am not sure that Ascoli can develop an encompassing airconditioned hypothesis(with calculations)

for pale ale and vodka and lemonade.

or even CNZ riseup (5C oscillation)

CNZburst (50C) and even PNZ..

Ascoli65 it seems that you are late as Japanese have already moved away...

Quote from Curbina

Ascoli65, in order to better understand your point, can you provide a numerical exercise such that would allow, to those who disagree with you, to better visualize the magnitude of the potential error in the calorimetry that could, as you point out, be induced by this heat exchange coefficient variation caused by the AC air circulation?

It's not a matter of calorimetry, intended as estimate of excess heat. This point was not included in the criticisms to my assertions, to which I replied with the jpeg posted yesterday. The criticisms were only about the capability of AC to produce oscillations in the TC4 curve and the presence of moisture in the fuel.

As for excess heat, it seems premature to me to take an interest in it, as long as doubts persist on the correct interpretation of the TC4 signal. In particular, the downward peaks along the TC4 curve can be easily explained as the consequence the on-off cycling of the AC unit, with no needing to invoke any AHEs of nuclear origin, as instead was reported in the Takahashi presentation at JCF20.

Quote from Curbina

I also don't recall seeing if the pipe which Ascoli65claims is being affected by the AC air speed, is insulated or not. If is insulated, then his concern has no ground on reality. If is exposed to air, then one can see if the change he claims is of high enough magnitude to affect the TC4 reading.

The gas pipe welded to the upper flange of the reaction chamber is not insulated. It is exposed to the air jet coming from the AC unit.

The rate of cooling during the downward peaks of TC4 is quantitatively compatible with the possible increase of heat exchange with air due to AC operation, as shown here: The NEDO Initiative - Japan's Cold Fusion Programme .

Quote from Ascoli65

as long as doubts persist

the doubts only persist in Ascoli delusions.

and will continue to persist

because the course of these delusions

is long and tortuous

interspersed with many assertions

as has been demonstrated on this forum

a 50C oscillation in temperature of a flange or TC4

cannot be explained by aircon..

Try suggesting to an electrician that

aircon is causing a 50C oscillation in top element of the electric oven

in the kitchen... and only the top element..

Quote from RobertBryant

a 50C oscillation in temperature of a flange or TC4

cannot be explained by aircon..

After two bottles of Vodka - good Russian measure - the bubbles in your eyes start to grow and all sort of chitter will flow out of your fingers.

The true question is: How much nonsense the admins do tolerate inside a serious technical thread. What about a hidden bird flying in Takahashi's lab??

I agree with Wyttenbach on this-Takahashi's work is brilliant and these doubts and worries about one of their thermocouples showing anomalous dips is just splitting hairs - they are hot on the trail of CF and doing excellent work as far as I can judge.

Quote from Dr Richard

anomalous dips is just splitting hairs -

Takahashi et al are probably still scratching their heads

about this one....

I think Takahashi still has hair to scratch..

They suggested turbulence

A 50C drop in temperature in a small chamber where deuterium is entering the main reaction zone

is difficult to explain by turbulence..

I think Wyttenbach has postulated the involvement of the dense hydrogen formation in this zone

there are 3 teams that I know who work or have worked on powder ways, Takahashi, Team "Google", Team "France".

They all had more or less similar results and encountered the same difficulties.

The team around Iwamura is a big structure supplied by Japanese state funds, they do nothing at random, so I ask Ascoli65 to share his background in order to know if his contradiction could be relevant.

However, be aware that Rossi is way ahead and from the beginning, like it or not here. He's not a genius, no, never, but, yes, he was lucky from the beginning, during his first experiments with powders, his second chance was to have known someone complementary to him, in the person of Focardi.

I wouldn't say more ...

Quote from Cydonia

However, be aware that Rossi is way ahead and from the beginning

1989? Genesis 1.1 In the beginning Rossi created LENR?

Long ago AR scraped mufflers in peculiar way and a day, compacting in a non-thermal device the result, has burned one of his finger. This is the very legend, and his luck.

No no nkodama just said it was him.

Quote from RobertBryant

1989? Genesis 1.1 Au début, Rossi a créé LENR?

Quote from Cydonia

No no nkodama..1989? Genesis 1.1 Au début, Rossi a créé LENR?

For Dr Takahashi the beginning was a crisis in the Gate of Heaven..in1989

In March-May 1989 after the F-P big claim of cold fusion,

I was skeptical. However, the Tienanmen Crisis in Beijing China gave me a chance to get involved in cold fusion research.

At that time I was busily involved in the DT fusion blanket neutronics project the US, Japan and China were collaborating on. Suddenly, the project was suspended due to the Tienanmen Crisis and I had some free time.

My expertise was in neutron physics experiment since 1965. If cold fusion is real,

the F-P heavy water electrolysis should emit 2.45 MeV neutrons by d-d fusion as Steve Jones of BYU claimed.

This was the common sense effect that mainstream nuclear physics people (I was one of them) would look for.

https://coldfusionnow.org/akit…-samples-and-bigger-heat/

Cydonia - Rossi's most recent demo suggests he has moved on from powders to plasmas with his 'ballerina' glow bulb which I immeciately thought was a Hg discharge lamp but he concealed this by fudging the spectrum......nobody should underestimate Rossi's persistence.