Safire eyes commercialization within 5 years, with launch of new company Aureon Energy!

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I don't think one's principles should be determined by what skeptics say or do. "Just build" a device sounds good in theory, but most startups are there to prove a thesis and get backers - not to commercialize at industrial scale. That is what happens in all venture industries. M&A is more important for this area than IPO.

I admire Mills for his intense work ethic and showing that you can publish mainstream science whilst doing commercial R&D. I am sure he never in a million years expected that even with that, few physicists would not look at his data seriously. Still, you don't do what's right because of the whims of others.

I also think publishing science helps bring other important backers on board - who may otherwise not show up - be it granting agencies, angel investors, and other scientists.

Changing the world isn't easy, and we should always respect those willing to engage in the "Impossible" - it literally goes against all of our cultural / survival programming.

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Publishing is all well and good, but the process is sloooooooow. It's slow even when you don't have an entire community biased against your claims from the get-go. When you have all the major journals barring at the door anything smacking of "cold fusion," it could take an eternity to push something through. Is it a good use of SAFIRE's time to pursue that avenue in hopes of convincing some scientific minded angel investor, or advisor to a potential investor, to hop on board? Probably not.

I admire Mills' attention to detail too, but at Brilliant Light's current pace, they are unlikely to beat SAFIRE to commercialization--and Mills has a couple decades' head start. I argue that most investors don't care much about why a device works, just that it works. There is a relative handful of people who even understand Mills' model, and they are not likely to be the ones investing.

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Read the history of cold fusion and you will see. Especially Beaudette's book.

Greed has not been triggered because investors do not realize cold fusion is real. They don't realize that because many prominent scientists, the DoE, Scientific American, Nature magazine and others have said it is not real. When an investor asks a scientist, or does a Google background check, he sees that cold fusion is fraud. The scientist, unfortunately, knows nothing and has read nothing, but he assumes that Nature is telling the truth -- because it is usually a reliable source of information.

The situation is similar to where the airplane was before the 1908 demonstrations. There were no investments in aviation because the Scientific American and other opinion leaders said heavier than air aviation did not exist, and the Wright brothers were "liars, not flyers."

If it became generally known that cold fusion is real, I am sure greed would overcome the academic politics immediately, as you suggest.

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Spot on, Jed. I highly recommend Beaudette's book too.

All the peer reviewed articles in the world won't bring about the change we're looking for as much as a working device would. Build it and they will come.

Nobody should worry about whether investors will come on board: greed will fill the void as surely as nature abhors a vacuum.

In the interest of disclosure, I should note that I am an investor in Aureon, and have every incentive to see the SAFIRE team succeed. I'm not nearly as concerned about publications as I am about engineering hurdles.

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Thanks for the disclosure. Hate to pry, but am curious...how long have you been following LENR?

Pry all you want! I have followed *almost* since the beginning. The beginning of the modern era at least (Pons & Fleischmann's 1989 announcement). Back to the Eugene Mallove years, when the journal "Infinite Energy" (now at 150+ issues) was named, simply, "Cold Fusion". At least I think that's what it was called on its first issue.

Anyone traveling along that same route will remember a series of CF hopefuls: Patterson's "beads"; The Cincinnati Group's nuclear remediation claims (featured on "Good Morning America"); sonoluminescence breakthroughs (and subsequent dismissals); Steorn; Rossi's E-Cat; Blacklight Power (now Mills' Brilliant Light Power); and now SAFIRE/Aureon.

It appears to me that Aureon has taken the lessons of past failures and approached their device in a way designed to maximize chances of commercialization. I don't know of any other "alt energy" group that has gone to the extent Aureon has to secure funding and make strategic alliances in such an open fashion.

Naturally, I could be proven wrong on all of this optimistic thought. However, Aureon looks to me to be worth the gamble.

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Well, BLP may disagree, but as far as we are all concerned...may the best man win. With Mizuno, NASA/GEC, BEC, the old guard still plugging away, you and Mills, in the line up, we may have a real race to the finish line. Just heard from our BLP guy today in fact, and he was very up-beat.

But, as you said, we have been there/done that, yet for various reasons it never happened. This time may be different.

Oh man, I really hope so. The patience of the BLP's investors strains credulity. I mean, don't they have tens of millions invested? And yet it's just a dribble here or there in the form of a one-minute video showing boiling water around one of these devices. I believe they are doing what they say they're doing. It's just taking forever. I really think Aureon might beat BLP to the punch. Hopefully there's enough room in the space for both to succeed in dramatic fashion.

Goodness knows the world could use a positive development right about now.

I posted an article on Rossi blog and

Buck gave an interesting reply on ECW.

https://e-catworld.com/2020/09…ays-related-to-e-cat-skl/

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https://scitechdaily.com/unexp…-drives-the-sun-to-earth/

Electric current is everywhere, from powering homes to controlling the plasma that fuels fusion reactions to possibly giving rise to vast cosmic magnetic fields.

Though it won't come as fast as many of us would hope, this is clearly the beginning of a trend that will validate the Electric Universe proponents' main contention: that electricity is as important, or more important, than gravity as a driver of cosmological phenomena.

EU contends that only relatively recently acknowledged vast cosmic magnetic fields are by necessity driven by electric current, an idea that mainstream cosmology has resisted. But the above admission reveals the handwriting on the wall. Science will soon need to deal with this reality, and adjust their models accordingly. And there will be a lot of adjusting!

Great find on the article, Alan.

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The fact is that even water vapor can carry current in vast amounts, hence our dynamic atmosphere, with plenty of water vapor in it, can be considered a plasma from this point of view, and this has many practical implications, and this is something some of the more hated proposers of the EU mantain, and receive a lot of flak for it.

The Article linked by Alan Smith is worded in a very careful way, I bolded the more relevant snips, and due to this, I am really tempted to go paste the paragraph and link in the Professor Dave comments section, just to see how irate he reacts...

Yes, I have drafted many an open letter to pseudo-skeptics like the good Prof Dave, with hopes of someday releasing them in all their scathing glory--when and if a working device exists with results beyond question. But we can't get hung up on the I-told-you-so's. When that day comes, we may or may not feel the desire to rub it in the disbelievers' faces. I think the look on their mugs as their paradigms come crashing down around them with be therapy enough. (But I'm keeping the letters just in case.)

Aureon did send an email to shareholders just today. There's one paragraph that makes me giddy (while reserving final judgment on the claim's validity, of course):

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The [recent SAFIRE experimental] results went far beyond our expectations, we knew we could repeat the results we got before, and we did. SAFIRE is transmuting elements, lots of elements.

But even more astonishing is that the nuclear reactions are not only occurring on the surface and in the atmosphere, they are occurring all throughout the metal alloy core. Give that some thought for a moment and the implications when it comes to remediation of nuclear waste and what it means when we discuss optimizing the fuel.

What we're talking about is modern day alchemy. If Aureon can figure out how to transmute at will, it's a world game-changer. It also means the end of the multi-billion dollar waste of time and space called ITER. Good riddance.

There is a 30 year history of transmutations, if on a tiny scale, in "cold fusion" experiments. So SAFIRE's claims are not out of the blue. They may just be the ones who've figured out how to transmute on purpose and with predictability. Let's hope.

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Aureon did send an email to shareholders just today. There's one paragraph that makes me giddy (while reserving final judgment on the claim's validity, of course):

"The [recent SAFIRE experimental] results went far beyond our expectations, we knew we could repeat the results we got before, and we did. SAFIRE is transmuting elements, lots of elements.

But even more astonishing is that the nuclear reactions are not only occurring on the surface and in the atmosphere, they are occurring all throughout the metal alloy core. Give that some thought for a moment and the implications when it comes to remediation of nuclear waste and what it means when we discuss optimizing the fuel."

Are you sure you can publish this ?

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I apologize for the lightness, but sometimes I am merely human.

Professor Dr Dave's comment

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It's like you had no clue that real fusion reactors exist, or how they work, or that they are run by real physicists! "

Actually real fusion reactors don't work on Earth.(not of the ITER hopefless.type.anyway )
Maybe Professor Dr Dave should check with Daniel Jassby
https://thebulletin.org/2018/02/iter-is-a-showcase-for-the-drawbacks-of-fusion-energy/
When is that ITER startup. 2050...2060??
As far as solar fusion... no one knows how it works
Eddington thought he knew in 1920.

Bethe ,1939,calculated the diproton Beta decay (like he calculated the Lamb shift)

and 'real' physicists calculate better than Bethe

http://www.ucolick.org/~woosle…-19/lectures/lecture6.pdf

"This cross section is far too small

(~10-47 cm2 at 1 MeV)
to measure in the laboratory, but it does have a nearly constant, calculable S-factor.
The theory is straightforward, but complex....
because it includes a strong &weak interaction happening in rapid succession."

but all we REALLY know for sure

is that helium is produced somehow...
the nearest solar fusion lab in 2020 is the Parker Probe... only 10 or so solar radius's close.

~30 times the distance to the moon.

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it seems your comments to Professor Dave

You mean these comment 1 comment 2.

Comment1 in answer to "Interesting...apparently dipshit dave doesn't have a degree in the specific study."

It could be worse .. Dr Dave could be a medical doctor rather than campfollower of trad physics

"One day our professor was discussing a particularly complicated physics concept.

A pre-med student rudely interrupted to ask, "Why do we have to learn this pointless information."
"To save lives." the professor responded quickly and continued the lecture.
A few minutes later, the same student spoke up again. "So how does physics save lives?"

"It keeps the ignoramuses like you out of medical school," replied the professor."

Professor Dave

"It's hilarious to listen to a barely literate simpleton try to tell a story about medical students and physicists, neither of which he would have even a shred of a hope of becoming. Stick to video games and pornography, sport."

Comment 2 in answer to 'simpleton'

Dr Dave lacks Pauli's genius but has his ascerbicity.

and can still not answer how many diprotons are measured in a fusion reactor..

"It was absolutely marvelous working for Pauli. You could ask him anything. There was no worry that he would think a particular question was stupid, since he thought all questions were stupid."

And Dr Dave will never be able to measure how many diprotons are measured in a fusion reactor.

Nobody will be able to.. not Bethe.. not Fermi .. not CERN..