Frank Gordon's "Lattice Energy Converter (LEC)"...replicators workshop

  • This is a direct link to Biberian's presentation on the LEC.


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  • This paper on the LEC effect, which brings together material from several replications as well as the work of Matt Lilley and myself may also be of interest.


    Assisi IWAHLM 2021 prsentation.pdf


    A possible additional test could be arranging the plates on top of each other using spacers that do not get in contact with both of them at the same time.


    Or perhaps even better (although achieving precisely small spacings might not be simple) using something similar to a parallel plate capacitor demonstrator:



    This is assuming that the real LEC effect does not require a closed concentric tube setup and can be indeed also observed at least for a short period in the atmosphere using plates.

  • The problem is the spacers. There is the possibility that they can get contaminated with moisture (also evaporating from the plates, from manual handling, the atmosphere, etc) and conductive substances (electrolyte residues, etc) and form a high-impedance conduction path between the two plates, which may then show a Galvani potential. This is more likely to happen if the spacers are very thin.


    By not allowing the plates to get in contact with each other through the spacers, this possible issue could be eliminated.


    Plastic wrap (assumed to be impermeable) was tried and removed the effect, although it could be thought that there is the emission of radiation that does not make it through its thickness.


  • We should need a little more money !

    I think the best solution should be only using a plate fixed externally by a dielectric spacer.

    Then cutting by laser this plate into 2 parts.

    Laser cutting is able to reach micrometer spacer at least.

    Maybe Frank Gordon could help you with his US money ?

    After all it's his mess we're trying to understand, no ?

  • An important factor to consider here is that the original LEC and most other replications did not use plates, but concentric tubes in a closed (more or less air-tight) construction, so the setup attempted by Alan Smith with relatively large plates and by myself using small sheets (a few cm2) might not necessarily work as intended. In my case I'm confident that I was seeing conduction artifacts and not a LEC effect, by the way.


    Another is that if the radiation emitted from a working LEC is for example in the form of 2–3 keV X-rays, then the dielectric spacer (if it covered the entire surface between both electrodes, without any hole or gap) would need to have a thickness in the order of microns to let radiation through. See: X-Ray attenuation & absorption calculator (gsi.de)


  • i think can you are too modest and especially too kind and politically correct, it won't help, trust me.

    You will thus think in "common" and 400,000 euros from a European project will pass you in front of you because it has been recovered by others who are less competent but more politically incorrect.

  • I'm just not willing to declare the LEC as inoperable only because I didn't manage to make my very crude analogue work as intended.


    I think however that if it could be made to actually work with something similar to the parallel plate air capacitor I mentioned above, it might be an even simpler and more effective demonstration of the effect (although it will probably not last weeks/months).

  • Fusion or transmutation generated nuclear particles' energy is converted using a super-capacitor made of a micro-nano-hetero structure meta-material that loads from the nuclear energy and discharges by electric current. The device contains the nuclear burner module that produces the nuclear particles surrounded by the direct nuclear energy conversion into electricity super-capacitor modules comprising several functional sub-modules, and the utilities that provide the nuclear fuel and byproducts management and process control systems.

    As I understand it, Liviu sees this as a solid state nano structured LENR Electric technology, like a nuclear battery. I hope this has been incorporated into advanced Navy/DOE CMNS research and engineering. It's clear he is developing other plasma tech under Navy contract.

    I imagine all the Navy CMNS researchers, found in various national labs, swap in depth finely detailed notes from time to time.

  • I have been reading JJ Thomson's masterpiece 'Conduction of Electricity Through Gases (1898) republished in facsimile by Hanse - - which Frank Gordon suggested was well worth it - and so it is.


    The most relevant part begins on pp29 -'Electrification of a Gas by the Aid of Rontgen Rays' Which we now call X-rays. Here he studies the conductivity of various gases after exposure, and the effect of different methodologies on the conductivity achieved.


    As JJT says 'Of all the methods by which we can out a gas into a state where it can receive a charge of electricity, none is more remarkable than Rontgen rays. These rays when they pass through a gas turn it into a conductor, and enable it to receive a charge of electricity, and the gas remains conductive and it's power of being charged for some time after the rays have ceased to pass through it'. He goes on to say that UV light (presumably from an arc) does not have this power, except when reflected from a metal plate immersed in the gas, or impinges upon a fluorescent surface.


    Further experiments (and there are many) show that the passage of a current through the gas actually destroys this conductivity, and also that although the voltage passed through the gas was increased, the current passed, after initially behaving according to Ohm's law saturated and rose only very slowly with increased voltage.


    He goes on to suggest that for many purposes, the conductive power of the irradiated gas could be compared to a weak electrolyte, that would also be destroyed by the passage of sufficient voltage.


    There are many other notes and comments on his findings, but these two are certainly indicative of what we see in the LEC.




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  • Of all the methods by which we can out a gas into a state where it can receive a charge of electricity, none is more remarkable than Rontgen rays. These rays when they pass through a gas turn it into a conductor, and enable it to receive a charge of electricity, and the gas remains conductive and it's power of being charged for some time after the rays have ceased to pass through it'. He goes on to say that UV light (presumably from an arc) does not have this power, except when reflected from a metal plate immersed in the gas, or impinges upon a fluorescent surface.



    How might this apply to the conversion of energies in the lattice to electrical current... Considering the claims of Leonardo Corporation and the bolder claims of Global Energy Corporation?


    LEC - lattice energy conversion


    I presume 'energies/energy' pertains to the conversion of those released/created by the atomic reactions (from both weak or strong force events and perhaps aether? Casimir Force or ZPE? interactions) ie those phenona taking place in the LEC low energy nuclear reaction environment.


    Electrical current converted from 'cold fusion' reactions intrigues us all.


    The LENR reactions categorized by known lattice energies conversion products.


    LENR to Thermal has been around for a long time.


    LENR to Transmutation of actinides has been well established by GEC in 2012, and others previously.


    LENR to Electricity is fairly recent.


    The way I 'see it' may be a bit simple or flawed... I honestly hope my thinking on this proves useful in some small way.

  • If X rays could generate the LEC effect, that should implie a "special H trap" inside the metal lattice.

    JedRothwell could highlight this point however i don't remember that X rays were involved by our fathers or Mc Kucbre work for example ?

    In this case the codeposition process could do that, we should understand a stronger "trap".. ( Storms NAE ? ).

    It could also explain as a flash back why [email protected] replications were so randomized..

    Now some teams since long time worked also in this codeposition way, then never mentioned a kind of rays ?

    That should mean a ray could exist but very very low however enough " strong" to ionize species ?

    Case to follow...

  • Gregory Byron Goble


    Conductivity tests were performed by Stevenson, who found that a working LEC was conductive, but a non-working 'control' LEC was not. This is directly in line with J J Thonson''s own findings that gases ionised (in his case by X-Rays) were conductive- Air, Hydrogen, CO2 and some others.


    The importance of this for the LEc is that it suggests a mechanism for conduction in such gases - the presence of mobile ions of both positive and negative charge. That there is continual creation and re-creation of ions in the LEC gas space and that at lease some of these ions self-organise and impart a charge imbalance to the electrodes is a very tempting hypothesis, which is largely borne out by the experiments that have been carried out.


    The disappointing thing is that JJT found that the gases were readily 'saturated' as he described it at very low levels of current. no matter how he pushed up the voltage. This is what bothers me - i have seen anomalous electrical output in other systems - but never much current. I hope that we can find ways to change this state of affairs.

  • The most relevant part begins on pp29 -'Electrification of a Gas by the Aid of Rontgen Rays' Which we now call X-rays. Here he studies the conductivity of various gases after exposure, and the effect of different methodologies on the conductivity achieved.

    Most easy way to do this. Buy a smoke detector an place some of the Am243 /Am241 in a corner...

  • If X rays could generate the LEC effect, that should implie a "special H trap" inside the metal lattice.

    JedRothwell could highlight this point however i don't remember that X rays were involved by our fathers or Mc Kucbre work for example ?

    Several papers describe x-ray production by cold fusion, but I do not recall any describing stimulation by x-rays. Alan Smith referenced one about production. There are some from Italians who used x-ray film such as:


    https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GozziDxrayheatex.pdf


    It is surprising how much you can learn from autoradiographs.