Ultra-dense hydrogen and Rydberg matter—a more informal general discussion thread

  • Looks nice, but I don't think it's good for observing the signal interpreted as due to muons in Holmlid-type experiments, or at least not directly.

    It's also likely to be sensitive to strong EMI, which will probably make it detect noise that could be misinterpreted as a real radiation signal. Such noise may even "look" light a real radiation spectrum, not necessarily be chaotic like the word suggests.

    The website says it has a silicon photomultiplier detector (SiPM) which like other semiconductor detectors used at room temperature will probably have too much thermal noise to detect the small "spontaneous signal" (dark count rate in the order of 0.1-1.0 MHz per mm2 of sensor at room temperature—source here).

  • I wonder if high-density charge storage devices like DRAM could be somehow used for detection under certain operating conditions.

    Cosmic ray-induced effects (muons, neutrons, etc) have been known since a long time to be able to cause "bit flips" in computer memory. These usually go unnoticed both because not many natural cosmic ray events per unit of time generally occur, and (in consumer-grade computer devices) because memory data integrity is usually not actively checked for. But what if an intense muon source is available nearby?

    - Cosmic ray muon causes glitch in electronic devices - ResOU (osaka-u.ac.jp)

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray#Effect_on_electronics

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-event_upset

    - https://www.sciencealert.com/r…avoc-with-our-smartphones

    Since that aim is detection and not prevention, such detector would need to use non-ECC memory, unlike servers and other mission-critical environments, and the memory possibly be tuned as to hold data with somewhat less stability than usual. Then the entire memory contents would be filled with known data and continuously analyzed for new errors ("bit flips") with a simple memory testing application.

  • I wonder if high-density charge storage devices like DRAM could be somehow used for detection under certain operating conditions.

    Such a scheme has been patented, at least for cosmic rays. See the following reference. I have not investigated the details, so its applicability would need to be investigated further

    Patent application title: ON-DIE ELECTRIC COSMIC RAY DETECTOR

    IPC8 Class: AG01T124FI
    USPC Class: 250394
    Class name: Radiant energy invisible radiant energy responsive electric signaling plural signaling means
    Publication date: 2015-12-10
    Patent application number: 20150355343

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    It's also likely to be sensitive to strong EMI, which will probably make it detect noise that could be misinterpreted as a real radiation signal.

    According to Wiki : The signal parameters are practically independent of external magnetic fields, in contrast to vacuum PMTs

    Thermal noise can be reduced by applying e.g. a peltier cooler according to the reference you provided. I am not sure this will be sufficient for reliably detecting specifically negative muons though.

    Silicon photomultipliers can be part of LIDAR detectors which are e.g. targeted for autonome car driving. Even current iPhones have LIDAR sensors to improve photography performance. There is probably quite some R&D performed therefore to improve the performance of SiPMs.

  • jeff

    It was to be expected that cosmic ray detection at the hardware level was already invented, but I was more wondering about the possibility of detection via software using commonly available devices.

    This patent seems more concerned more with CPU logic circuitry rather than memory. Apparently, memory is more susceptible to random bit flips than CPU logic:

    If cosmic rays cause bit flips in memory, like RAM, enough so that parity or ECC may be necessary, then does it happen in the combination...
    Answer: Combinational logic operates on a time-continuous basis and is ignorant of any clock interval. Cosmic rays impact memory because those are charge…

    Rob Woudenberg

    Static magnetic fields deflect electrons away from their intended path in the dynode chain inside vacuum PMTs and usually decrease the signal, but I was referring to changing fields/electromagnetic interference, to which sensitive electronic devices are often susceptible.

    Regarding vacuum PMTs, a source is chapter 13.3 "Effect of External Magnetic Fields" here: https://www.hamamatsu.com/reso…etd/PMT_handbook_v3aE.pdf

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  • 4H?

    Laser-Induced Nuclear Processes in Ultra-Dense Hydrogen Take Place in Small Non-superfluid HN(0) Clusters - Journal of Cluster Science
    Charged and neutral kaons are formed by impact of pulsed lasers on ultra-dense hydrogen H(0). This superfluid material H(0) consists of clusters of various…


    Fig 1: Shape of the chain or “bead” clusters H2N(0) forming the superfluid phase H(0) and non-superfluid cluster types H3(0) and H4(0).

  • Unrelated with the workshop question, but since the thread was upped again I just wanted to highlight once more that UDH is suggested to be produced as part of the normal operation of industrial catalysts in their originally intended environment:

    Production of ultra-dense hydrogen H(0): A novel nuclear fuel
    Condensation of hydrogen Rydberg atoms (highly electronically excited) into the lowest energy state of condensed hydrogen i.e. the ultra-dense hydroge…


    [...] The efficiency of alkali promoted catalysts for reactions involving hydrogen transfer leads us to suggest that it is the H(0) formed which is the source of reactive hydrogen in the catalyzed reactions. Condensed atomic hydrogen has in fact three different forms with different length and energy scales, as described by Hirsch [125]. At the two largest length scales, the bond energy for hydrogen atoms is a small fraction of what it is in the most densely bound form which we here call H(0). The second largest length scale is called ordinary Rydberg matter of hydrogen H(l), of which the lowest state is H(1). The largest length scale of hydrogen is superfluid and superconductive, with Rydberg electrons and very loosely bound hydrogen atoms. This means that H(0) becomes a storage phase of hydrogen atoms, and can produce loosely bound hydrogen atoms which will easily take part in chemical reactions.

    Possibly then the issue would be efficiently turning that form of UDH into the much more tightly bound form without it reverting to ordinary hydrogen.

    From the above it's also possible that the hydrogen spillover effect (where hydrogen atoms are observed to migrate from one surface to another) is due to the formation of the same superfluid form of UDH.

    Several months ago Russ George mentioned prof. Micheal Boudart in this regard, who had similar ideas. Scroll down to "Spillover Hydrogen – Ultra-Liquid Hydrogen" here: http://atom-ecology.russgeorge…s-and-where-to-find-them/


    [...] As Prof. Boudart explained to me hydrogen when it sees palladium particles perched on a carbon support material such as my United Catalyst G-76 deuterium environment offered, it would first split from being an H2 molecule into singlet hydrogens/deuteriums. Some of those singlet atoms of hydrogen would recombine with passing atoms, that is the business of catalysis, but not all.

    Some accumulate, or spillover, onto the carbon support material that held the perched catalyst palladium atoms. This ‘spillover’ hydrogen, which he noted is very dense, was a focus of a great deal of commercial interest in the field of catalysis. So much so that he had formed a company in Palo Alto named Catalytica that was studying this fantastic form of hydrogen, which was quickly acquired in a billion-dollar acquisition.

    What his studies of real data had surmised was that ‘spillover hydrogen’ was, at the very least, an ultra-liquid form of fantastic hydrogen. Surely this is what Homlid today might agree to be a species of ultra-dense hydrogen. Boudart observed this fantastic form of hydrogen to be capable of producing catalytic chemical reactions that defied ordinary chemistry. He and I agreed my data showing helium, specifically 4He, being formed and measured in real-time with top of the line mass spectroscopy, was impeccable proof of cold fusion being one of those ‘chemistry reactions’ involving fantastic hydrogen. [...]

  • Холмлид пишет: «... Важность этого квантового материала в космосе подчеркивается несколькими недавними публикациями: Спектры так называемого расширенного красного излучения (ERE) в космосе хорошо согласуются (L. Holmlid in Astrophys. J. 866: 107, 2018a) с вращательными спектрами, измеренными из H (0) в лаборатории, что подтверждает мнение о том, что H (0) является основной частью темной материи во Вселенной.Протонный солнечный ветер хорошо согласуется с протонами, выброшенными Кулоном. взрывы в p (0), таким образом, наконец, предоставив убедительный детальный механизм энергии для протонов солнечного ветра ... "

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  • Several months ago Russ George mentioned prof. Micheal Boudart in this regard, who had similar ideas. Scroll down to "Spillover Hydrogen – Ultra-Liquid Hydrogen" here: http://atom-ecology.russgeorge…s-and-where-to-find-them/

    The company Catalytica Associates, Inc., Micheal Boudart founded, patented several processes for the production of urethanes. Looks like similar stuff that Shell developed as Shell S-105 catalyst. Something Holmlid used to produce UDD and UDH.