Clean Planet Ltd (Japan) updates

  • They also sell 1kW propane/air fuel cells which they sell by the thousand in rural Japan - they produce 500W of electricity

    Only 500 W? That does not seem like enough for a rural user. From what I have seen in rural Japan they need kilowatts during a power failure to get anything done. 500 W is what you get from portable generator with a handle, used at the beach by obnoxious people to power boom boxes. Here is an 800 W one:



    Here is a 4.2 kW CHP fuel cell from Miura and Cares for the "commercial building sector." Not enough for that sector. Something does not add up. This says it is their first offering:


    https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/222474/ceres-power-higher-as-it-launches-first-fuel-cell-system-in-japan-222474.html


    https://www.ceres.tech/news/miura-to-launch-new-chp-fuel-cell-product-for-the-commercial-building-sector-in-japan/

  • Only 500 W? That does not seem like enough for a rural user. From what I have seen in rural Japan they need kilowatts during a power failure to get anything done. 500 W is what you get from portable generator with a handle, used at the beach by obnoxious people to power boom boxes. Here is an 800 W one:

    The 'Farms Project' fuel cells made by Miura are sold by TEPCO and others by the thousand. It isn't really intended to run a house, it is back-up power in case of earthquakes etc.


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  • This says 1 kW, which still seems too small:


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    The Japanese version of the ITOCHU website has a screenshot showing 0.8 kW output (on the right, "during operation").



    I do not see the point of making such a small stand-by power unit.


    During power failures I use an 2 kW inverter with the Prius starter battery. Not the traction battery. Somewhere in the Prius documentation I read that a fuse will blow at 2 kW and the car will not go. So I keep it down to ~1.5 kW. Probably a risky thing to do. I checked the fridge and other appliances with a wattmeter. 1.5 kW nowadays is good for lights and internet and even the refrigerator, but not a microwave oven or anything substantial. Attaching to a Prius is very convenient because the motor automatically turns on periodically to recharge the starter battery, but mostly it stays off. The ideal solution would be to attach to the traction batteries, but that costs a lot and it looks kind of dangerous. Here is a company that makes a 4 kW traction battery inverter:


    https://www.plugoutpower.com/

    They should put 4-outlet 120 VAC plugs in hybrid and electric cars.

  • I cannot answer any of these questions: nor can you make any assumptions about what it does or does not do (e.g. that it has no available oxygen). You certainly cannot say that reactors which burn H2 to generate power are impossible to make. Nor can you with any certainty say that it works.


    That is because we have no information. As you said - they do not have to provide it.

    There is plenty of information.


    Iwamura has published and presented extensively.


    The 'science' section of the Clean Planet website comports very closely with Iwamura's previously published work. Thus, it's reasonable to conclude just from the website that Clean Planet is entirely focused on the commercialisation of Iwamura's previously published work. Indeed, Iwamura says that this is the case plainly. They made a number of presentations at ICCF24, even. Nowhere have they ever talked about hydrogen boilers.


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    Everybody misinterprets things from time to time. It's not a big deal. But if you insist on not listening to others, and doubling down on an erroneous interpretation of obviously verifiable fact, then it's understandable that you would be met with exasperation.

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    But most companies, when claiming an extraordinary technological breakthrough in clean energy, would provide enough detail for this to be widely believed if they could. It gives you better choice of partners, and higher equity prices when using equity to fund development, as well as great interest in products.

    I think that this is a somewhat reductive way to think about it. Especially in the context of LENR, which is considered to be unscientific by many, and where premature announcement more or less destroyed the credibility of the field.


    I think that any company preparing to make extraordinary claims understands that they're best served by not making those claims until they are completely unimpeachable. The moment they do so, they start a circus that distracts management and creates competing claims on time and resources. Such a claim can be existential for a pre-revenue company, as if it doesn't substantiate it to the satisfaction of its critics, it can ruin the credibility of the entire enterprise.


    To your point about fundraising; I think that this is again reductive. Private companies rarely share more than they absolutely have to. Presentations for the purposes of equity investment are usually made privately. Given that Clean Planet has strong equity partners in Miura and Mitsubishi, they seem to have absolutely no need for attracting further partners, or for raising outside equity.

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    The only exception is when for commercial reasons they want not to be believed. In that case they would say nothing, publish nothing, not go to ICCF24.

    This conclusion simply does not follow logically.

  • Nowhere have they ever talked about hydrogen boilers.

    Hydrogen combustion boilers, you mean. (I guess you could call a cold fusion cell a "hydrogen boiler." I never thought of it that way.)


    Everybody misinterprets things from time to time. It's not a big deal. But if you insist on not listening to others, and doubling down on an erroneous interpretation of obviously verifiable fact, then it's understandable that you would be met with exasperation.

    Yes! I made the same point. I often make dumb mistakes, but I hope I always admit that when someone points out the mistake. Just say "oops!" and all is forgiven. Do not double down, make excuses, or pretend you were right.


    To your point about fundraising; I think that this is again reductive. Private companies rarely share more than they absolutely have to.

    It seems you know a thing or two about business.

  • But not so fascinating that you will actually look at the POC. They have a 350 W version and a 2.8 kW version. They described this in their ICCF24 presentation, which of course you have not seen. I uploaded the slide from this presentation several times, but of course you did not look.


    Here it is again, for your non-viewing pleasure:


    They SAY they have a 350 W version. Have they published any specific results?

  • They SAY they have a 350 W version. Have they published any specific results?

    Not as far as I know.


    We have to go by what they SAY. That's all we got. What they said years ago seemed unreasonable to me, so I have doubts about what they say. But, I suppose Miura has done their homework. I doubt they would sign an agreement and announce it to the world if Clean Planet were lying to the public. But, one never knows, do one? (Fats Waller)


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  • Oh, the second link uses the same tense of ‘completion’ for 2024 as for 2018.

    Now I doubt the 350 W completion and the 8*350 W prototype have been completed.

  • Clean Planet reported claims at ICCF24. Iwamura repeated and extended the claims.

    Hideki Yoshino put together the strongest LENR research collaboration on Earth, involving academics, industry and government resources.


    There is no reason to say "they are telling stories".


    Previous ICCFs have seen Japanese scientists report incrementally higher and higher thermal output, touting achievements up to several hundred watts. At ICCF24, we heard no such reports. Power outputs were often at 5 Watts, 15 Watts, etc., while other experimental parameters are varied.


    Do you see? Clean Planet no longer has to report on their struggle for higher output power. They already have it, and are moving to the next phase of commercializing their output, while continuing to tease out the science.

  • Looking through the early issues of Infinite Energy Magazine from the 1990s http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/backissguide.html you can see the enormous interest in a commercial product based on hydrogenated metals. Each publication is packed with advertising representing all the elements of a new energy landscape. Reports from the recent ICCF24 x Solid State Energy Summit reveal there are several labs "within epsilon" of a commercial product, but one company has put their reputation on the line to claim a release in 2025. There is good reason to believe the commercial era of cold fusion will be baptized in the public square within a mere 26 months.

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    Graphic: Hideki Yoshino, Founder and CEO of Clean Planet with Senior Advisor Hachi from https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/en/company/


    Hideki Yoshino is a young, successful entrepreneur who became activated after the Fukushima disaster. He has seemingly galvanized his whole home country of Japan to work together to solve this most important problem of next-generation, zero-carbon power, and he formed Clean Planet to manage it. https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/ Over the last decade, he has assembled a partnership between academic, industry and government agencies in Japan to advance R&D of their Quantum Hydrogen Energy cell. The cell uses nickel-copper nano-particle layers infused with the hydrogen from water to generate big heat that can boil water.


    Clean Planet's Global Strategy Director Masami Hayashi reported at the ICCF24 in July that a long-term heat-generating experiment is going on in their laboratory since May 2021. https://youtu.be/JnqokLK4J3c She also said Clean Planet is now working with Miura Company to engineer a hot-water boiler for industrial applications. They are starting with a smaller 350 Watt unit to proto-type with plans to scale up to a 600kW heater.


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    Graphic: Roadmap for Commercial Application from https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/en/science/


    Many have made the claim to a commercial LENR product, and yet we still have nothing. Can we really expect Clean Planet to produce a heater within three years time? What is the evidence that this could be true? How can we believe that this time is different?


    Clean Planet's core research team centers around former-Mitsubishi Heavy Industries scientist Yasuhiro Iwamura, known for his innovative transmutation work that has advanced into stunning nano-particle thin-films results. He has presented his laboratory findings at ICCFs since the 90s, always evolving in experimental design, and increasing heat output to several hundred watts.


    Former-Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Chief Engineer Takehiko Ito and Jirota Kasagi, the former-Head of Research Center for Electron-Photon Science at Tohoku University complete the investigative research team. Yoshito Endo, a former-Project Manager at Toyota Motor Corporation, brings complementary product development experience.


    Clean Planet has a serious team of scientists, with reputations of honesty and co-operation built over decades. They are hardly a group to be mistaken or misleading. However, if this team were to be wrong about their claims, we would know pretty quickly, as they are not operating in isolation, but within an extensive service network, any node of which could determine the falseness of a claim.


    Founder/CEO Yoshino Hideki initially put his own resources towards the organization, but has grown the support ever since. Clean Planet has become more of a management hub for the research and engineering labs, with three offices employing the top scientists in Japan. Research capability originates from institutions such as Tohoku University, and universities at Osaka, Kyushu, Nagoya, Kobe, and Hokkaido. There is private funding as well as contributions from government programs such as METI/NEDO New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization https://www.nedo.go.jp/english/ and Impulsing Paradigm Change through Disruptive Technologies Program ImPACT https://www.jst.go.jp/impact/en/index.html.


    Major Japanese public companies such as Mitsubishi Estate Company, Miura Company, Aisin Seiki Company (Toyota Corporation’s affiliate) and Nissan Motor Company that have dominated global industries for decades, are on board and stand ready to provide their resources towards product development and production. Imitating a war-time effort, effectively declaring war on global heating and the strangle-hold of fossil fuels suffocating our future, Clean Planet has martialed a whole nation to cooperate on a new energy technology.


    One single private lab cannot compete with the full coordination of a society, though there are signs in the EU and US that could emulate this success. In the US, a federal energy agency ARPA-e will fund some exploratory work in LENR https://arpa-e-foa.energy.gov/…d3-4afc-bd17-bc7a7f05fb2f and the US Patent and Trademark Office has added categories for new energy applications. https://www.uspto.gov/web/pate…on/cpc/html/cpc-G21B.html


    This opens up the field to new participation from independent labs and industries that service them, bringing private interests.


    However, this effort has no coordinated office and is in the initial stages. So far, labs in the US working separately to engineer a technology have been going it alone, scraping along trading intellectual property for minimal funding. The new federal changes are due to their efforts as they discover an avalanche of LENR effects and apply for patents. Efforts by the Anthropocene Institute in Palo Alto, California have worked to break the blockade using education and workshops that target patent and policy-makers. https://arpa-e.energy.gov/even…uclear-reactions-workshop


    The EU has a head-start on a comprehensive program, with multiple labs across many nations working under the umbrella Clean HME Project, where HME stands for Hydrogen Metal Energy. https://www.cleanhme.eu/. Contracts for multiple types of cells pursuing excess heat, nuclear products, and transmutations have been successful, with the science being expanded and nailed down, but further enhancement of heat output is needed before any engineering can begin. These types of "national" efforts will help smaller independent labs with contracts and funding, but both of these efforts in the US and EU lag behind the Japanese program built by Clean Planet.


    LENR-forum's Alan Smith attended the 15th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen-loaded Metals IWAHLM15 held in September 2022 at Assisi hosted by ISCMNS Chief William Collis and Claudio Pace. Alan Smith was there to present results of his Lattice Energy Generator LEC replications. While there, he spoke with Yasuhiro Iwamura who confirmed Masami Hayashi's report from July. Watch their chat here:

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    Graphic: Roadmap for Product Launch from Masami Hayashi presentation ICCF24 x Solid State Energy Summit


    They are working to scale-up the output power by increasing the surface area of the generator, which means more material to host the reaction. Previous claims were of 5 Watts per square-centimeter of nano-particle nickel-copper layers. Iwamura says units are now targeting levels over 1kW and up to 10kW thermal output power. Heat output continues without re-filling hydrogen for months at a time. He estimates a heat generator to be available to the industrial sector within 5-10 years.


    Clean Planet has interest in the mobile sector, too, intending to apply the technology to cars and airplanes. Heaters for residential units will depend on satisfying government regulation requirements.


    For the last several ICCFs, reports from Japanese researchers were largely about the increasing power output. In the last ten years, thermal outputs of single-digit watts have incrementally increased to several-hundred Watts. At the recent summer conference ICCF24, there was no report of high Watts, no discussion of how to activate and control. We saw reports of 5 Watts being generated regularly solely to test various experimental parameters.


    Yasuhiro Iwamura is regularly generating 5 Watts excess heat and testing how perturbations in the heater cause excess heat bursts. Takehiko Itoh generated a baseline of 2-3 Watts and prompted controlled heat bursts of 1 Watt to test the quantity and quality of radiation. Jirohta Kasagi has shown that the same nickel-copper nano-films will generate similar heat whether using regular light hydrogen or deuterium.


    This is a different road altogether. They no longer need to report on their struggle to achieve control of a useful thermal output because they have already have achieved it. Now, the lab is comfortable enough to start teasing out the details of the reaction with specifically-designed experiments that will both expand the science and support the engineering.


    BTW, if you’re interested in helping, Clean Planet is hiring.

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    Disaster inspired Hideki Yoshino and he now leads the number one R&D effort on Earth for breakthrough energy technology. Clean Planet has a tremendous team and a track record of results. The support from government funding and private sector manufacturing pulls all of Japan into their orbit. Plans for an energy revolution are based on what they have actually achieved in the lab and reported on publicly over decades. No one will rest until we see Breakthrough with our own eyes, but the evidence is stacking up that we will see this day.

  • Great write-up Ruby! I know you did your homework on this, corresponded with CP to get the details straight, so everything it contains is accurate and up to date. Now, like always with anything LENR, comes the long waiting game to see if they can deliver.

  • They are starting with a smaller 350 Watt unit to proto-type with plans to scale up to a 600kW heater.

    That's ridiculous. You don't go from 350 W to 600 kW, a factor of 1,700 larger. You go to 1000 W at most, and you make and distribute thousands of prototypes. Unless the reaction is fully under control, 600 kW would be very dangerous. We will not know it is fully under control until it is tested in hundreds of labs run by regulators and safety testing companies.


    600 kW is more than enough to kill someone from a steam explosion. If the reactor goes even a little out of control, it will destroy a building. No one is going to introduce a commercial product in 2025 that produces that much power from an unknown nuclear reaction which has no theoretical explanation. That is completely out of the question. When they say they are going to do that, it destroys their credibility.


    Frankly, I find their claims difficult to believe for those reasons and many others. I would have a lot more confidence if they would release an independent evaluation or replication.