ICCF23 open discussion

  • DAY 2

    Larry Forsley is first up and I like his angle to introduce things: Inertial confinement, magnetic confinement, lattice confinement. Makes a natural progression for the mainstream and seems harmless. He compares a triple product of plasma density, temp, and .... for all three types of confinement fusion, and LENR makes the highest value.

    Successful LENR provides SAVs/NAEs for high flux, high density hydrogen isotopes. High electron screening too.

    But Forsley and the team is focused on generating charged particles with the co-deposition technique, not heat. But they are doin it day-in, day-out.

    Fran Tanzella is talking about making materials now. Wow. Super cool pictures of cross-section of Brilloin's core, showing dialectric and first layer of copper, all polished.

    Next picture is Pd rods in resin, an early SRI experiment.

    Density, chemical analysis, surface area, volume of voids and grain boundaires, these are some of the things you should know about your sample.

    X-ray diffraction can detect impurities easily.

    THz spectral imaging gives same results as SEM, identifying grain boundaries, etc.

    More nice pictures of multi layer coatings using energy dispersive x-ray. You can see where the all the different materials are.

    Nice graph showing how they measured the tritium being transported outward from the interior of the multi-layer sample and turning into helium-3 through the outer layers that Michael McKubre showed yesterday, too.

    Use all the techniques he talked about to document your work and learn more about what you're working with, the architecture, the chemistry, and then, you'll be able to reproduce the best materials that you find.

    Iwamura is interested in the x-ray flourescence. ah, it's Nickel K-beta,. OK.

  • David Nagel is examining a set of input signals, and what happens as an output.

    For instance, terraherz laser stimulation causes phonons, matching phonons in PdD.

    Electrical impulses from Energetics Technologies, shows a decrease in input power, actually gave a bump in output power. The graph kind of bumps along. He says start pulsing your cell.

    He shows SPAWARS graphic and graph of the hot spots visual, and the sounds that occured during the experiment. They actually have a video of that and it is tremendous. Nagel says this deserves more analysis.

    An old Bockris experiment shows RF bumping up excess power, and that has not been reproduced, really. More can be done with this type of stimulation. Mitchell Swartz produced three papers on RF and cold fusion, and he presented some of that at ICCF22, too.

    David Nagel has a knack for making a problem seem simple to understand. He is a teacher at George Washington University in D.C., so that experience really helps him communicate simply.

    "We are dealing with a new paradigm of nuclear physics," he says in response to a question.

  • Roger Stringham reports that the temperature of plasma dropping from 10,000K to 2500K allows the deuterium to form, and, bubble cavitation causes DD -> He4 .

    1.6 MHz bubble cavitation signal follows the photons emitted in rythmic pattern.

    Brian Oliver measured the Helium in one of the bubble caviation experiments, Brian Oliver one of the top helium specialists in the world a few years back. Malcom Fowler measured helium, too. These experiments leave nickel bubbles, and etched patterns on the material the bubbles explode on. These experiments are continuing.

  • Just got in time to watch the tail of David Nagel’s presentation and the Highly anticipated one from Roger Stringham. Wanted to ask something to him but he preferred to receive questions by email.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.


    Robert Duncan of Texas Tech introduces Melvin Miles to talk about some of the early cathodes made by the Naval Research Laboratory that contained boron, and gave excess heat "almost every time", but he wants to stress that they produced excess heat early in the experiment, after the experiment started, the excess power showed up earlier.

    Martin fleischmann reported 57mW generated at 55 minutes into the experiment

    Mean excess power of 38mW over the first 24 hours, in another Martin Fleischmann experiment.

    Miles is showing more graphs of early excess power made by Fleischmann, and then by himself, showing excess power from these same Palladium-boron type rods.

    He then went looking for errors in heat capacity, calorimetry, heat transfer coefficient, and he showed mathematical analysis on his data, proving no error erases the results. Miles is really good at math, and he calculates right down to the milliwatt.

    Note: he ran the same Pd-B cathodes, and as he ran the same one in succession, the power output got bigger each time he used it.

    Dr. Wang is talking about excess heat generated by samples that Melvin Miles sent him, early PdB samples getting a second look in 2018-2019. Wow, they have a beautiful cell to put all these samples in. Wang's slides are really nice.

    He is reporting 21 mW +/- 7 mW.

    Looks like a maximum excess power of 69 mW +/- 14 mW.

  • Si Chen and his team presented results on their Mizuno nickel-mesh reproduction. They were successful but they have generated much less power than Mizuno. They got about 40 Watts on average in one run, but other runs were in the single digits Watts.


  • They have already announced the next conference. It will be in Silicon Valley, sponsored by the Anthropocene Institute. Check out the video on the ICCF-24 website by Carl Page. See:



    It will be close to you rubycarat ! Let's hope it will be presential, I have family relatively near there, too, perhaps time to plan a visit? :D

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • Watch the videos of previous presentations at http://ikkem.com/iccf-23_oralab.php

    DAY 3 Fran Tanzella introduces Edmund Storms to talk about his recent discoveries.

    He believes he has made the "lab rat" materials. The material makes LENR every time. Cold press palladium powder under a steel dye to make a disc. A hole drilled and a platinum wire through the hole. It is heated in a vacuum to 900 - 1000 degrees C for hours, then heat in air above 400 degrees C for hours, and cool slowly in air. he says the parameter space is sufficiently broad that you can make an active disc easily.

    There is about 50% density in his pressed Pd samples compared to solid palladium.

    Storms uses a Seebeck calorimeter cooled by flowing water to 10 degrees C. there are 54 thermoelectric converters transmit the heat.

    Oil displacement measures the volume of oxygen, which is converted to a D/Pd ratio of the sample.

    He is doing both gas-loading and electrolytic in the Seebeck; each is calibrated separately.

    Resistance wire heats the electrolytic cell D2O with lithium makes the electrolyte.

    It's sealed with a teflon top, with a recombiner, and the temperature of the recombiner is measured. Great pictures of these cells. Watch the video. The gas-loading cell is unique looking.

    He talks about the calibration. The recombiner temperature and the orphan oxygen method agree, and Storms is confident his D/Pd ratio is measured correctly.

    Pressed palladium powder that has been oxidized, and then fully-loaded, and it was heated ( and electric current was applied), as it was loaded and de-loaded, it gives heat. Storms is playing around with the parameters and mixing and matching these elements of the experiment and seeing what happens.

    Storms is adamant, samples must be heated to get active. He wishes that people had heated samples earlier on, because they might have had success. The heating of the sample makes the difference.

    He closed with a short summary of his nano-space or gap model.

    About a nanometer, that's the size of the gap he answered to a question by Lynn Bowen. Gaps are about 50% of the physical solid material.

  • Another GIANT Dave Nagel is up. WHEN AND HOW LENR OCCUR you know we need that.

    To understand an d commercialize LENR is to suggest the locations and mechanisms for LENR and provide something to start with.

    Locations must accommodate - locally - high density deuterons and local flux to allow the deuterons to interact.

    These conditions are possible at exterior surfaces and grain boundaries and defects.

    Images of craters on the surfaces of cathodes are evidence that LENR occurs on or near the surface.

    Wires, plates, and cubes - 1D, 2D, 3D host materials.

    There is a diffusion hierarchy: Surface diffusion is more rapid than grain boundaries, and grain boundary diffusion is more rapid than lattice diffusion.

    Grain boundary segregation of impurities act as a trap for impurities, too.

    Diffusion flux depends on the concentration gradient.

    How do you test WHERE the reaction is occurring? Vary grain size, using coldworking and annealing, you can control the grain size, and see if smaller grains make more LENR, since they have a larger boundary area. Alternately you can use powder and press to make different sized grains and test them.

    He cites Kalman and Keszthelyi to answer How does LENR reaction occur? He has failed to convince anyone with the quantum mechanical chops to validate and vet their equations (K&K) and he would like someone to do that.

    Other challenges exist to explain, like the transmutation results. but he's out of time.

  • Si Chen and his team presented results on their Mizuno nickel-mesh reproduction. They were successful but they have generated much less power than Mizuno. They got about 40 Watts on average in one run, but other runs were in the single digits Watts.

    This is discussed in the Mizuno thread, starting here:

  • Right into Mitchel Swartz. Cold fsuion is real and happening making observable effects, including frequencies at 327 MHz.

    He shows a graph showing input power, an ohmic control and a NANOR cold fusion device. The NANOR delivers power moments before the "electrical avalanche" Swartz measured. Raman spectroscopy picks up the excess heat.

    Nice photo of the Mother of All Cathodes. It was aqueous and wet! Awesome. He demonstrated the device live at ICCF 10 in 2003.

    The field needs ways to detect active components, and detect and distinguish active cold fusion systems. A shape memory alloy nitinol will go back to its OG shape after the temperature is applied. Longitudinal fibers of Nitinol are throughout the sample he shows close-up. The material is shape-shifting.

    This special design NANOR provided 12 Watts thermal output . More graphs show NANOR positive power gain of several Watts.

    It seems that Electric current to the Nitinol and is responsive to the Ohmic control and the active NANOR, and it is quantitatively proportional to each. The ohmic control did not shape-shift the Nitinol, but the NANOR did, I think he is saying.

    200 micro Newtons per watt was the induced response in Nitinol. Conclusion, Nitinol can be used as a sensor, but it's got some problems. calorimetry, raman spectroscopy, and 327 Hz frequency detection offer the best LENR detection.

  • Storms tried things that I have already mentioned including in my recent "essay" here.

    The need to strongly compress the powder with a press, therefore, and not with archaic screws and nuts like in France or Belgium.

    It has reached 50% porosity because at one point the compression ratio no longer plays a role and to further reduce the porosity, nanometric particles are needed. Thus it will be able to reach only 5% of porosity, quite sufficient to pass a gas. On the other hand, he will be able to increase his XSH by a factor of 10 !

    Too bad he didn't try more daring alloys than simple Palladium, 1989 is still stuck in the minds of the oldguard 8o