Shellfish to swim back to shore LOL
Indeed. Maybe we just need to erupt the right kind of volcano, next to the ocean somewhere, to clean the carbon?
Plan to dump iron into the oceans to capture carbon.
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Just like the quick-growing salmon, two years later, anecdote…
If told by the Alaska Dept of fish and Game is it still an anecdote? See below (with link).
The largest run of Pink salmon occurred between 12 and 20 months after the HSRC’s iron seeding. According to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, the 2013 pink salmon harvest was the second most valuable on record. In the northeast Pacific, the Speaker reports that salmon catches have surged from 50 million to 226 million. In BC’s Fraser River, catches shot past the average 25 million to an unprecedented 72 million.
In all, catches in the region are estimated to have grown by 100,000 tons.
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Blamed on water Ph dropping and plankton blooms out of sync with the usual feed period
Wrt to BC shellfisherman's tales
https://www.theglobeandmail.co…bc-coast/article17156108/
"Water pH dropping " =ocean acidification
The Ocean PH has been dropping for decades because the ocean serves as a huge sink for about half of anthropogenic gaseous CO2
https://www.carbonbrief.org/gu…n-than-previously-thought
Ocean acidification is damaging shellfish and coral ..not just in BC and Washington state..
but far and wide as in the Great Barrier reef...
https://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/our-…hange/ocean-acidification
iron ferilisation attempts to correct this by encouragng CO2 sequestration into marine biomass...
other methods include kelp aquaculture using deep water nutrients
Biomass conversion to salmon is a side benefit
but significant investment is needed for ocean fertilisation.. to make an impact on the accumulated century of acdification.
the current land fertilisation investment (mainly via NH3) is over $70 billion $ per year... some of this contributes to CO2 emission.
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I had long discussions with the people involved in the project. You may be read to many comics.
Ah- an anecdote then. I.e. "argument" on par with reports of massive clams dying after fertilization of oceans on the West coast. BTW Molusks are pretty sensitive to heavy metals in water.
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BTW Molusks are pretty sensitive to heavy metals in water.
And your point is?
You might find this non-anecdotal account of shellfish diseases in the Canadian Pacific more useful.
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Ah- an anecdote then. I.e. "argument" on par with reports of massive clams dying after fertilization of oceans on the West coast.
Do you you know the difference between reality and your brain farts??
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The sand is constantly transported in huge quantities by the winds from the deserts to the seas. At the moment, I think it would be more important as a temporary solution to somehow shade the sun, for example, to let smoke into the stratosphere, thus mimicking the effects of large volcanic eruptions.
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At the moment, I think it would be more important as a temporary solution to somehow shade the sun, for example, to let smoke into the stratosphere, thus mimicking the effects of large volcanic eruptions.
What smoke is key, also how do you get rid of it- where does it end up? If it deposits on the ice caps it would (by diminishing their albedo) make melting faster.
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Also aerosols are connected with drought: they serve as a condensation nuclei for water droplets, which get too small and numerous, thus unable to fall down as a rain.
QuoteDo you you know the difference between reality and your brain farts?
It all depends on form of iron, which they want to throw in the ocean. Waste foundry sands contain lotta iron - but also arsenic and many other heavy metals. And they would sink at the bottom of ocean uselessly. Someone should look at this project more carefully.
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which they want to throw in the ocean.
one I plan is to float the iron... with rice husks..trials in the Indian ocean are scheduled for 2023
maybe Zephir should have watched the recent presentations.from researchers
rather than opining on disconnected flotsam from the internet..
.anonymous viewers were allowed..
In addition to the detailed project plan Oceaneos has developed an innovation in delivery of iron to phytoplankton. This innovation attaches iron to agricultural waste products such as lentil fibre, rice husk, coconut fiber...etc. This innovation has several benefits for iron fertilization:
1. the iron does not leach and therefore is not oxidized
2. the iron is bound in it's bioavailable form
3. the fibers sink slowly, making the iron bioavailable in the photosynthetic zone for weeks
4. the material is non-toxic to phytoplankton, even at very high doses
These properties have been confirmed in the lab and have been peer reviewed by Dr. Doug Campbell, the Canadian Research Chair in Phytoplankton Physiology.
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/…9AGUFMGC31I1323M/abstract
he sand is constantly transported in huge quantities by the winds
Its not sand .. its dust
mostly less than 10 microns in size..
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If this solution is properly controlled and inappropriate, there may also be a solution to pump seawater into the atmosphere using the energy of wind turbines floating on the seas, thus creating artificial clouds. In this case, it would be enough to reach a height of about three kilometers.
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Someone should look at this project more carefully.
This was Russ's project he did in agreement with the Canadian government. But > 100 mio. salmon resulted in > 500 mio$ gain in CO2 certificates that nobody wanted to give to non FM/R/J/B members.
At the end the FM/R/J/B mafia that rules Canada too, not only the USA/Switzerland/Germany/France..., used military power to extradict Russ and they use their FM/R/J/B news paper friends to write the above fake story. There never was any violation of any UN rule. UN rules cover poison only. Iron is a natural spice!
May be its grand time Zephir_AWT that you either learn how our planet is raped/violated by FM/R/J/B or you out yourself.
Just for your knowledge: CO2 certificates are a public gift for FM/R/J/B members. Nothing real happens with this money. It has no effect on CO2 .
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The Russ Georges Weatherbird campaign was one of the most important science experiments of all time.
This idea is not dead. You don't stop an idea in motion. His disciples will realize his vision in a bigger scale, in order to save the Earth. (with some technical modifications to be patented first)
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I'm a sucker for geoengineering. I think whatever the costs and risks we may end up needing it.
Does this one (iron seeding in oceans) work? Not sure. But, in principle, altering the ocean ecology would be a great cheap way to capture more carbon. So i would want to go on studying it - scientifically - and looking at variants, better ideas, etc, so that in 20 years time we had another tool in our armoury - maybe.
It is like DAC technology. Seems impossibly expensive but worth throwing lots of money at it because it is one way out of the hole we are committed to falling into a long way further than we are now, whatever we do.
Where I disagree is the idea that geoengineering will save us, so we can go on emitting carbon. That is stupid. So much cheaper to use low CO2 tech now, than to get rid of emitted CO2.
And by the way we have already a known cheapish but nasty way to reduce temperatures. Seeding the upper almosphere with sulfates. known to work because volcanoes do it. Costs manageable. Like all geoengineering it has moral hazard. like all "block the sun" forms it is bad everywhere for farmers since less sun => lower yields. my guess is that for high technology farming that will not be much of a problem. For poor subsistence countries? they always suffer most.
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his idea is not dead. You don't stop an idea in motion. His disciples
and I am not sure whether Russ wants to be a Messiah,, but the ideas are still coming..
..like this one.. a 100 ships.. to save the plankton.
it might just work..
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More Details For Ship Owners
OPR research has shown that its special formulations of natural trace nutrients including iron will replenish and restore ocean pasture plankton blooms when applied in prescribed concentrations and to select nutrient-deplete waters. OPR technology combines our special formulations of trace supplement prescriptions with our state-of-the-art ocean pasture monitoring technology. As a ship, whether it be a cargo ship, oil tanker, or coal carrier, traverses the world’s oceans it will commonly pass by or through many ocean pasture regions in need of replenishment and restoration. The world’s global ocean pastures are today constantly monitored by OPR oceanographers who using many satellite platforms and analysis are able to accurately produce ocean plankton maps much like the weather maps.
OPR Commercial Operations Model – The red line shows a ship’s planned course. The Yellow circle is a meso-scale ocean eddy, an ocean pasture in need of care. The Green lines show the ships OPR course of 4 days to replenish and restore that ocean pasture.
Onboard each ship equipped is our computer control and comm link connected via satellite to our central oceanographic control center. When the ship is nearing an ocean pasture candidate region our oceanographers will muster to duty. Our OPR team will send to the ship’s captain a new set of course and speed directions for the ship to follow for up to 5 days. Our automated containerized apparatus, consisting of just 4-5 shipping containers, will then autonomously begin the dust replenishment process. This amounts to pumping prescribed amounts of OPR plankton nutrient supplement into the ship’s prop wash.
The amount of natural mineral dust prescribed with be 100-200 tonnes, compared to many large ships which carry 200,000 tonnes of cargo this is just 1/10th of 1% of the ship’s commercial load. The replenished mineral dust is further dispersed and mixed by ocean currents and will soon restore between 10,000 – 50,000 square km of ocean pasture.
Plankton respond immediately to this very slightly nutrient-enriched ocean pasture water (only parts per trillion enrichment is required) and a rich plankton bloom is soon underway stripping atmospheric CO2. Don’t be misled to think of this as being ‘a a fertilization’ process as substances known as fertilizers when applied to living systems are required in amounts of parts per million, not trillion, a million times more than OPR’s natural mineral dust. Engineering Contact:
Shipowners interested in the installation of OPR technology onboard their vessels should contact our engineering and ocean science division for details specific to technology specific to their vessel. Our qualified marine engineers work with ship owners to adapt our technology to each vessel meeting all necessary marine regulations. Installation is a simple process once basic engineering plans are confirmed and require no dry-docking. Installation of the containerized tech by OPR engineers can usually be completed in a matter of days at ports around the world.
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OPR Commercial Operations Model – The red line shows a ship’s planned course. The Yellow circle is a meso-scale ocean eddy, an ocean pasture in need of care. The Green lines show the ships OPR course of 4 days to replenish and restore that ocean pasture.
This is just the basic idea. In reality there are many more parameters you must look at. First at all are fish ready to grow in enough high numbers. Are these the right fish in the food pyramid. Also local PH, Temperature and type of plankton is important and last you want to avoid is an algal bloom.
Quite a lot of preparation needed.
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In reality there are many more parameters you must look at
geoengineering..geomedicine.. so many variables
maybe the fish need thiamine too..
load up the 100 ships with VitB ?
in humans this condition is often seen in alcoholics.
perhaps the cause of oceanic beriberi is other human addictions..
"California researchers now investigating the source of the salmon’s nutritional problems find themselves contributing to an international effort to understand thiamine deficiency, a disorder that seems to be on the rise in marine ecosystems across much of the planet.
It’s causing illness and death in birds, fish, invertebrates, and possibly mammals, leading scientists from Seattle to Scandinavia to suspect some unexplained process is compromising the foundation of the Earth’s food web by depleting ecosystems of this critical nutrient.
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From Russ:
The Iron Deficiency Response of Corynebacterium glutamicumand a Link to Thiamine Biosynthesis
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Iron had nothing to do with the shellfish die off. fertilizer run off and warmer ocean temps lead to an outbreak of red tide, an alge bloom. It's becoming more common as ocean temps rise. Florida's west coast has had large outbreaks over the last 10 years and no sowing of iron.
