The Totally Civil Covid Thread. (Closing 31/05)

JedRothwell USA over counts deaths by a factor 20 now. World wide we see no difference in death rates. Some places with to much Pfizer poison (boosters) show more vaccinated deaths overall.

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Some places with to much Pfizer poison (boosters) show more vaccinated deaths overall.

This crackpot claim is mainly based on misinterpretations of data from CDC VAERS database. I assume you believe these misinterpretations. Which can only mean, you believe the CDC is keeping track of adverse effects correctly. Why do you believe one CDC database but not another?

If the U.S. counts were wrong by a factor of 20, every employee at every hospital and public health agency in the U.S. would know that. The CDC data can be broken down to the state or county level. The people working at the states and counties would see that the data they contributed was misrepresented. Doctors at hospitals could see that the number of fatalities is wrong by a factor of ~20. Most of the deaths in Georgia have been at a handful of large hospitals, and the doctors there all know how many patients have died. Millions of people would see that the numbers are wrong. Why have none them told the public, or the press? How do you keep a conspiracy secret when millions of people are in on it?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Furthermore, even if this data is off by a factor of 20, the ratio of deaths for vaccinated and unvaccinated people would still be right. This data agrees with data from all other countries.

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This crackpot claim is mainly based on misinterpretations of data from CDC VAERS database.

You can daily see it in the NYT blind sheep news paper. 50..70% of all covid cases go to hospital according NYT

The death rate given by NYT is 20x the international death rate...

American are simply to stupid to understand how big pharma daily fools them.

No VERS!!!!

Please remember to don't post politics in the forum.

As its all mixed in, it hard not to..

It's mainly politics and statistics, and plenty of misunderstanding and mis-interpretation of both.

Can't wait for 1/6.

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Can't wait for 1/6.

You don't have to..just don't open the thread

Pfizer still seems to be making a profit in India despite

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Pfizer still seems to be making a profit in India despite

Pfizer did not sell its poison in India - but the blue happy pill is in high demand...

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but the blue happy pill

I forgot about Pfizer's erectile gift to humanity...

Viagra... Statins and Spikecine... quite a portfolio

Of course Biontech has credit too

Gift sounds better in German

"English speakers should be wary of receiving ein Gift from a German! That's because Gift just happens to be the German word for “poison”! And more incredibly, both the English and German meanin

Canada's excess deaths still a concern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn0KQfI3dds

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Canada's excess deaths still a concern

Critical thinking skills in NZ .. a concern TM1.17

Post Covid Truth Corruption..

Norman Fenton could try and publish on LENR?

TM1.33 "I've been reading about your academic record Norman

apparently you've got over 300 publications in journals and  seven books..

is that about right yeah

of course since I started writing articles

which challenge the mainstream covid narrative

the acceptance rate for publications in peer-reviewed journals

has gone down to zero these last couple of years

really?   oh yeah

we can't get can't get anything ..through can't even get them into arxiv

into the pre-print servers like Med arxiv or arxiv

they automatically reject anything that comes from me

what's happened to Academia in the last in the last few years

it's quite it's quite distressing it's not what most people actually think it is

it's become it's become quite corrupt

Farewell to the thread!

I first came to this forum a number of years ago when I was diving into the ridiculous concept of the point particle and was looking at different extended electron models. I have appreciated all the discussions, ideas, links to scientific papers etc. I don't participate much anymore but have learned a lot and continue to do so. Many of the members here are well aware of, and challenge the orthodoxy that surrounds SM, QM and the concept of the point particular etc. Critics of LENR are often quick to assign words like "fringe", "misinformation" or even "fraud" to these investigations and dismiss them out of hand as heterodox ideas. Even journals often refuse to publish work in this area.

The parallels to the whole Covid narrative is astounding. I first came to this particular thread during Covid because my son was a so called "anti-vaxxer" and I thought he had lost his way so we agreed to dive into the scientific papers together and not be influenced by opinion but rather to critically analyze the data and discuss what we had found. Well, as many of you know (and some refuse to see), it doesn't take long to pull back the veils of deception and see the truth of the crimes that are being committed against the world in the name of health and science. I have great respect for my son's decision to forgo an injection that he didn't need and was only likely to cause him harm and I am thankful that he helped me to wake up. I will not allow any more of that poison to be injected into me.

I am grateful that this thread existed although I understand that perhaps it is time to shut it down. The data and discussion revealed here has helped me immensely as it can be a bitter (red) pill to swallow when one wakes up and sees all the evil that is flourishing in the world. Personally my attention is now turning to the legal battles that are underway around the world as people push back against the totalitarian agenda and I am hopeful that we can overturn at least some of the Orwellian nightmare that has moved from being a fictional dream world into a cold hard reality. Thanks to all the participants and yes, even the ones who simply parroted the media lies because all points of view should be heard. That is another lesson to be learned from this debacle. As the censorship-industrial complex continues to be exposed and hopefully dismantled it would be great if the people of the world can learn to love and respect each other even if our opinions differ.

I think at this point anyone who still believes the "safe and effective" orthodoxy are as willfully blind as those who believe that point particles exist.

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I think at this point anyone who still believes the "safe and effective" orthodoxy are as willfully blind

Rise in Afib..over decade,,

BHF wants more money to research

but preliminary VAERs data analyses asserts that Afib rise hasn,t happened due to Spikevax

BHF said Afib is rising.. but gives no details on recent data?

My late Dad had Afib .. kept under control with warfarin

he passed away after the Pfizer jab at 93 yo

heart problems

medical opinion ,,," nothing to do with the vax"

at least in Taiwan someone is telling the truth..

perhaps their Academia is less corrupt

:Cases of patients developing arrhythmia after COVID-19 vaccination have been increasingly reported. Although the underlying mechanism remains unclear, we hypothesize that mRNA vaccination may lead to arrhythmia and associated valve diseases. Thus, before administering mRNA-1273 vaccines to patients with a history of valvular heart disease or atrial fibrillation, the patients’ cardiologists must be consulted

Atrial Fibrillation After mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccination: Case Report with Literature Review

COVID-19 vaccination has been associated with various adverse outcomes. Although studies have reported cases of arrhythmia after COVID-19 vaccination, the…

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

My elderly Japanese in-laws (78, 84) are just going for their 6th vaccination against Covid. I am not saying too much.

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I am not saying too much.

A heritage is looming on the sky...

Why do all this idiots believe that a high antibody count is a sign for a working vaccine? Until 2019 it was a sign for overreaction to the vaccine....

A normal immune system just keeps a small amount of anti bodies and does a followup reaction if these disappear.

With RNA poison its the other way round. You will produce again damaging spikes and useless anti-bodies except in the Moderna secondary RNA case where you still have some protection.

So far many cancer frequencies have doubled like for testicle (man). Lets hope it will stabilize on a low level. But real data from classic cancer RNA gene therapy says that about 30% have a much worse outcome. This would be the upper limit for the world wide damage done by Pfizer.

The sad fact is that Pfizer victims are highly immune suppressive and without the recovered status will get CoV-19 at least 10x more often than unvaccinated.

What a surprise! Among atherosclerotic patients also high HDL is a risk not a benefit as claimed since ever...

Association Between HDL-C Levels and Adverse Cardiovascular Outcomes

This cohort study investigates the association between very high high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C) level and outcomes in patients with coronary…

jamanetwork.com

Can Bivalent mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Trigger Leukemia? Taiwanese Clinicians Find a Likely Rare Case

Can Bivalent mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Trigger Leukemia? Taiwanese Clinicians Find a Likely Rare Case

A case series involving a generally, healthy 43-year-old woman in Taiwan represents one of the rare and highly disturbing cases of COVID-19 vaccinations linked…

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A case series involving a generally, healthy 43-year-old woman in Taiwan represents one of the rare and highly disturbing cases of COVID-19 vaccinations linked to sporadic hematopoietic adverse events. Although, the physician-scientists do point out there currently isn’t sufficient evidence to correlate anti-spike protein immune responses and hematopoietic adverse events of vaccinations. Nonetheless, Dr. Chung-Ta Chang, an emergency physician and orthopedic surgeon at Far Eastern Memorial Hospital in New Taipei City, and colleagues apparently had such a case—diagnosing a Ph-positive B-cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) occurring directly after the patient received Moderna’s mRNA COVID-19 bivalent (Omicron BA.4/BA.5) booster vaccine on January 3, 2023. It turns out that the 43-year-old had a total of six spike antigen exposures over the past 1.5 years (two doses of AstraZeneca, and half dose of Moderna’s monovalent mRNA vaccine and Novavax) on June 4, 2021, August 31, 2021, January 15, 2022, and July 15, 2020, respectively. While Dr. Chung-Ta Chang and colleagues acknowledge the challenges in declaring a causal relationship between the bivalent mRNA vaccination and Ph-positive B-cell ALL, the Taiwanese doctors clearly are concerned, proposing “that anti-spike protein immune responses could be a trigger for leukemia.” The doctors have a message for both clinicians and researchers--carefully investigate hematopoietic adverse events closely after COVID-19 vaccinations and launch preclinical studies to investigate the safety of bivalent mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

Taiwanese researchers affiliated with multiple academic medical centers author a case report with disturbing implications involving a 43-year-old woman with no problematic health record receiving her bivalent Omicron BA.4/BA.5) mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccine on January 3, 2023. Immediately after the injection, the patient immediately felt off—with a few concerning side effects from dizziness, mild dyspnea (breathing difficulty) to an overall general malaise. Five days after the booster dose was administered, the patient’s general malaise continued, along with worsening breathing problems, so she made it to Far Eastern Memorial Hospital Emergency Department in New Taipei City. Physicians at the emergency department observed no fever or respiratory symptoms, and she tested negative for COVID-19. Doctors reported tachycardia (119 beats/min) with normal blood pressure, and no abnormal bleeding, petechia or ecchymosis detected. A series of other blood tests led to the identification of ALL symptoms.

As part of the case series, the Taiwanese physicians researched the incidence of hematologic malignancy occurrence after mRNA COVID-19 vaccinations. A disturbing topic, that is, the highly rare connection between mRNA vaccination and ALL. The disease itself, ALL—is rare with a poor prognosis. The 5-year overall survival equals 35% in patients aged between 18 to 60 years. The cause of adult ALL includes old age (>70 years), recent viral infection, chemotherapy or radiation exposure and genetic disorders.

What follows is a brief TrialSite breakdown of their findings published in MDPI.

Far Eastern Memorial Hospital

How many other cases of hematologic malignancy occurring after mRNA vaccination have occurred to date?

Seven (7). All cases received monovalent BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccination. TrialSite notes that these are the only cases documented and that there could be more. Four of the seven cases were identified as acute myeloid leukemia. Onset of symptoms varies but on average, was four to five weeks after vaccination.

In the current Taiwanese case, how fast was the onset of BCR-ABL1 Ph–positive (p190 form) B-cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia?

Five (5) days.

Was there any previous incident that could be a cause?

Not likely. The Taiwanese team reported that the patient was otherwise healthy with no risk factors for ALL. While she did have COVID-19 on August 19, 2022, none of her tests at the time revealed any abnormalities or cause for concern. This is why Dr. Chung-Ta Chang and colleagues write, “Therefore, this case report might present a possible correlation between the development of Ph–positive B-cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia and bivalent mRNA vaccinations.”

Are immune-pathological features “frequently” noticed and described after SARS-CoV-2 infection or COVID-19 vaccination?

Yes. The doctors acknowledge this and provide examples in the case series.

What’s a key premise involved in this case series that will likely not make its way into mainstream media anytime soon?

That “repeated spike antigen exposures involved with COVID-19 vaccination amplify the immune cell response in a condensed period of time, thereby potentially increasing incidence of B-cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia.

Even though important pre-vaccine test results and comprehensive bone marrow studies were provided, can the team definitively conclude the causal relationship between the mRNA bivalent vaccination and occurrence of ALL?

No.

What do the case report authors recommend is needed?

Robust population-level studies investigation if there is an increased incidence of hematolymphoid neoplasms post COVID-19 vaccination. Also, they argue it’s “imperative to keep monitoring the hematopoietic adverse events after these new technology bivalent mRNA COVID-19 vaccinations, especially for patients with multiple spike antigen exposures in a relatively short-term period.” Finally, the authors suggest more pre-clinical studies evaluating the safety of the COVID-19 vaccines.

Lead Research/Investigators

Chung-Ta Chang, M.D., Ph.D. Far Eastern Memorial Hospital, Emergency Department, Taipei Medical University, College of Oral Medicine, Yuan Ze University, Graduate Institute of Medicine; Corresponding Author

Shy-Yau Ang, Far Eastern Memorial Hospital, Emergency Department

Yi-Fang Huang, Chang Gung Memorial Hospital; Taipei Medical University, College of Oral Medicine; Yuan Ze University, Graduate Institute of Medicine

Ph-Positive B-Cell Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia Occurring after Receipt of Bivalent SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccine Booster: A Case Report

The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic is a universal emergency public health issue. A large proportion of the world’s population has had…

www.mdpi.com

Thanks to this thread and to LF members posting here valuable infomation, which indicated here quite early that COVID 19 vaccines (may pose) are! a health risk!

Now we see the obvious problems emerging.

Unfortunatley in the background there are still activities - WHO - going on, which not only pose a health risk, but will make a sustainable damage to our society!