The Totally Civil Covid Thread. (Closing 31/05)

    Quote from Fm1

    IT means that the vaccines and boosters don't keep you out of the hospital.

    No, it does not. You fail to understand the base rate fallacy.




    The vaccines greatly reduce the likelihood of being hospitalized or dying. The percent of vaccinated people in the hospital cannot reveal that fact. You need to know the per-capita rate, and you need to compare vaccinated populations to unvaccinated one, in terms of age, comorbidities, and so on. Old people at risk for COVID tend to get vaccinated more than other groups. Even though that reduces their risk of being hospitalized, the risk remains higher than for other groups. Old people who do not get vaccinated are 14 times more likely to die. The boosters reduce mortality by a factor of 3.



    This shows that even though older people are far better off getting vaccinated, they are still at greater risk of death than younger, unvaccinated people. Therefore, hospitals will have more old vaccinated people than young, unvaccinated people. If the old people were not vaccinated, they would be in the morgue instead of the hospital.


    Quote from THHuxleynew

    The effectiveness of influenza vaccination

    That's one good thing that's been exposed by the Covid poison jab analysis:


    How utterly useless Flu "vaccines" are and the likely 'original antigenic sin' they too can cause


    All so that politicians can virtue signal and be see to be doing something


    Beneficiaries are big pharma at taxpayer expense


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    Quote from PSK

    That's one good thing that's been exposed by the Covid poison jab analysis:


    How utterly useless Flu "vaccines" are and the likely 'original antigenic sin' they too can cause


    All so that politicians can virtue signal and be see to be doing something

    Ok:


    1. FM1 says the COVID vaccines are defective because all vaccines protect 100% from hospitalisation.
    2. I show data that Flu vaccines provide significant but much less than 100% hospital protection (as do COVID vaccines)
    3. FM does not retract his attack on COVID vaccines
    4. You now turn significant < 100% protection into "original antigenic sin".


    It is really weird talking to antivaxxers.


    Impact of influenza vaccination on mortality risk among the elderly
    Estimates of influenza vaccine effectiveness have mostly been derived from nonrandomised studies and therefore are potentially confounded. The aim of the…
    erj.ersjournals.com


    This looks like the best we have for estimates of whole population flu protection:


    Estimates of influenza vaccine effectiveness have mostly been derived from nonrandomised studies and therefore are potentially confounded. The aim of the current study was to estimate influenza vaccine effectiveness in preventing mortality among the elderly, taking both measured and unmeasured confounding into account.

    Information on patients aged ≥65 yrs from the computerised Utrecht General Practitioner database on eight influenza epidemic periods and summer periods was pooled to estimate influenza vaccine effectiveness in preventing mortality. Summer periods (during which no effect of vaccination was expected) were used as a reference to control for unmeasured confounding in epidemic periods.


    After adjustment for measured confounders using multivariable regression analysis, propensity score matching and propensity score regression analysis, influenza vaccination reduced mortality risk (odds ratios (ORs) 0.58 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.46–0.72), 0.56 (95% CI 0.44–0.71) and 0.56 (95% CI 0.45–0.69), respectively). After additional adjustment for unmeasured confounding (as observed during summer periods), the association between influenza vaccination and mortality risk decreased (OR 0.69 (95% CI 0.52–0.92)).

    We conclude that after state-of-the-art adjustment for typical confounders such as age, sex and comorbidity status, unmeasured confounding still biased estimates of influenza vaccine effectiveness. After taking unmeasured confounding into account, influenza vaccination is still associated with substantial reduction in mortality risk.

    This is an outlier in the "what protection does Flu give" stream:


    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M19-3075


    They use a very indirect and weird method to estimate mortality. It is good in that it has different confounders than standard methods. Bad, in that its confounders are very difficult to understand. Discontinuity at age 65 is complex because of life style changes (retirement) and medical treatment and diagnosis changes (GPs but you into a higher risk category). The discontinuity due to increasing Flu vaccine uptake (which they hope to measure) is relatively small because vaccine rates do not change a lot over this boundary.


    It still shows protection (but smaller than all other studies).

    Conclusion:

    Current vaccination strategies prioritizing elderly persons may be less effective than believed at reducing serious morbidity and mortality in this population, which suggests that supplementary strategies may be necessary.


    Pretty much what I've been saying for 2 years. But you continue to attack my posts as anti vax when all along I was in agreement with science experts. Ha ha ha, You owe me an apology!!!

    More of the huxster crap!

    No FM1 says that Covid vaccines suck because efficacy wanes in weeks, cytokine storms, activation of latent bacteria and the onset of Autoimmune disease. It don't prevent infection or transmission. I have always felt the flu vaccine useless for the people that need it most and you posted a study that confirms my suspicion on that subject, plus recent studies say an omicrom infection provides protection from flu, I posted that study but you ignored it or didn't understand significance.

    Quote from Fm1

    Conclusion:

    Current vaccination strategies prioritizing elderly persons may be less effective than believed at reducing serious morbidity and mortality in this population, which suggests that supplementary strategies may be necessary.


    Pretty much what I've been saying for 2 years. But you continue to attack my posts as anti vax when all along I was in agreement with science experts. Ha ha ha, You owe me an apology!!!

    You do not say "may be less effective" which I'd agree with.


    You say "they don't work" or "they poison people" or "they are no good" etc etc. See above your post I replied to.


    And given that all the other studies show more effectiveness, and this one is weird, I'd not rate its results over all the others.


    THH

    Quote from Fm1

    No FM1 says that Covid vaccines suck because efficacy wanes in weeks, cytokine storms, activation of latent bacteria and the onset of Autoimmune disease.

    Only one of those points is valid - and then only if you talk about efficacy against infection.


    Most people in the UK care about serious disease more than they care about are they infected or not. Maybe the US is different?

    Quote from Fm1

    I have always felt the flu vaccine useless for the people that need it most and you posted a study that confirms my suspicion on that subject,

    That is because you are not reading the literature neutrally. One study does not a Summer make.


    The studies all have different issues. You choose to take as definite the one study that agrees with your prejudices, and ignore all the others.


    Then - you turn "may be less effective than had been previously thought" into "is not effective" when reading that study.


    I prefer to look at them as a whole.

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    Only one of those points is valid - and then only if you talk about efficacy against infection.


    Most people in the UK care about serious disease more than they care about are they infected or not. Maybe the US is different?

    Only one valid point my ass.


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    Quote from THHuxleynew

    FM1 says the COVID vaccines are defective because all vaccines protect 100% from hospitalisation.

    Even smallpox vaccines did not protect 100% from illness or hospitalization. They greatly reduced the severity of the disease in most breakthrough cases. The COVID and influenza vaccines also do this. Some years ago, after getting the influenza vaccine I got a case of influenza. It was so mild I did not realize I was sick. I happened to be at the doctor for some other reason. He said, "I think you have the flu." He did a test which took 10 minutes and it came out positive, much to my surprise. Previously, influenza sent me to the hospital for a week, so it is not like I have super-good natural immunity.


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    Abstract

    Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), a drug used to treat lupus and malaria, was proposed as a treatment for SARS-coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection, albeit with controversy. In vitro, HCQ effectively inhibits viral entry, but its use in the clinic has been hampered by conflicting results. A better understanding of HCQ’s mechanism of actions in vitro is needed. Recently, anesthetics were shown to disrupt ordered clusters of monosialotetrahexosylganglioside1 (GM1) lipid. These same lipid clusters recruit the SARS-CoV-2 surface receptor angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) to endocytic lipids, away from phosphatidylinositol 4,5 bisphosphate (PIP2) clusters. Here we employed super-resolution imaging of cultured mammalian cells (VeroE6, A549, H1793, and HEK293T) to show HCQ directly perturbs clustering of ACE2 receptor with both endocytic lipids and PIP2 clusters. In elevated (high) cholesterol, HCQ moves ACE2 nanoscopic distances away from endocytic lipids. In cells with resting (low) cholesterol, ACE2 primarily associates with PIP2 clusters, and HCQ moves ACE2 away from PIP2 clusters—erythromycin has a similar effect. We conclude HCQ inhibits viral entry through two distinct mechanisms in high and low tissue cholesterol and does so prior to inhibiting cathepsin-L. HCQ clinical trials and animal studies will need to account for tissue cholesterol levels when evaluating dosing and efficacy.

    BBC Collaborates with Facebook to Purge Vaccine-Injured Groups Online

    BBC Collaborates with Facebook to Purge Vaccine-Injured Groups Online
    A major media member of the Trusted News Initiative (TNI) has warned a primary tech member about vaccine injury groups gaming the system to avoid algorithm…
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    A major media member of the Trusted News Initiative (TNI) has warned a primary tech member about vaccine injury groups gaming the system to avoid algorithm detection and thus scrutiny. In what could be described as a dangerous move, the BBC collaborates with Facebook to shut down vaccine injury support groups by universally referring to them as “anti-vaccine” or “anti-vaxxers” and calling out the ways that they use carrot emojis to hide from Facebook their true identity. Members of the TNI are collaborating to purge social media participants that are part of vaccine-injured groups. Even if some of them, or even many of them, are in fact vaccine injured, the policies of the BBC and Facebook, as well as other media and social tech companies assume that there are absolutely no vaccine-injured persons and that such persons have no rights whatsoever to share their stories.


    The BBC reports that a number of purported vaccine injury groups involving hundreds if not thousands of members used the emoji in place of the word “vaccine” in a bid to avoid Facebook algorithms.


    The BBC reports that “several groups, one with hundreds of thousands of members, in which the emoji appears in place of the word ‘vaccine.’” The BBC’s Zoe Kleinman wrote that Facebook parent company Meta was alerted, and the groups were removed.


    According to a statement from Facebook:


    “We have removed this group for violating our harmful misinformation policies and will review any other similar content in line with this policy. We continue to work closely with public health experts and the UK government to further tackle Covid vaccine misinformation.”


    Yet the BBC’s Kleinman reports that the groups are back even though they were taken down from Facebook. According to Kleinman, the groups the BBC and Facebook label as anti-vax groups sought to rebrand themselves as places where people can share vaccine stories, for example sharing “banter, bets and funny video.”


    But behind the scenes, the groups were using code words for communication purposes. For example, “Do not use the c word, v word or b word ever” (covid, vaccine booster). The particular group has 250,000 members.


    Marc Owen-Jones, a misinformation specialist at Hamad Bin Khalifa University in Qatar, shared that instead of using words such as “Covid-19” or “Vaccine,” the group was instructed to use emojis of carrots as an example apparently to evade the fake news detection algorithms reports Ms. Kleinman.


    In the BBC piece, it’s identified that an Online Safety Bill could come into law which would lead to “steep penalties for failing to identify removing harmful material on their platforms.”


    What if there are actually vaccine-injured persons? Currently, the BBC doesn’t recognize that there are actually adverse events and some deaths, albeit rare, that occur with the COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, even at a rare rate of one-tenth of one percent hundreds, this would translate into hundreds of thousands of vaccines injured in the United States alone.


    TrialSite has been chronicling dozens of deaths from COVID-19 vaccines involving governments making compensatory payouts. Is it not allowed by the Trusted News Initiative to speak the truth about this situation? In the United States, over 224 million people have received at least a primary series vaccine in the USA. Estimates of vaccine injury in the USA vary from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands and possibly even over one million.


    According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) 2022, 16,336 preliminary death reports have been recorded although just because such an incident is reported in VAERS doesn’t mean that the event is correlated to the vaccination.


    TrialSite’s founder Daniel O’Connor went on the record, “Do individuals that are actually injured by COVID-19 vaccines have a right to share their situation, their stories on any social media? Of course, they should. There is something terribly off if such a reality is constantly being covered up.”


    Of course, this kind of group is quite different from a truly anti-vaccine-focused activist group that stands opposed to all modern vaccines. TrialSite recently launched a suite of social features including authoring, Q&As, and groups. Separate from its media platform—which focuses on objective, unbiased news which includes articles that report on the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccines as well as challenges that may surface—features such as TrialSite Groups exist to allow people to communicate and engage on topics involving medical research, less the fear of censorship.


    TrialSite’s O’Connor shared, “There are legitimate vaccine injured groups such as React19. They have lots of members that are really suffering and it's not fair that these groups are censored. That is why we have partnered with groups such as this one to ensure they receive objective, unbiased coverage from media and that alternatives to Facebook are in place—social tech platforms that won’t profile and censor people just because they represent an inconvenient truth for certain centers of power and authority.”


    TrialSite connected with React19 https://react19.org/co-founder Brianne Dressen who informed the media that in their support groups with “well over 20 thousand Covid vaccine injuries have been systematically shut down leaving us no choice but to reboot and hope people find us. These groups are an essential source of support and for many they are a lifeline. These people are disabled and are not allowed to talk about what happened to them. If they do talk about it, they are punished. If they persist, they will be isolated from their community and eventually shut down all-together.”


    But why would someone legitimately injured not be able to talk about their actual health condition or situation. TrialSite’s Daniel O’Connor shared “that’s because this pandemic has been thoroughly politicized. The confluence of government health and media industry powers have driven a paradigm for combatting Covid-19 which includes a universal vaccination scheme as a means of controlling the virus, however imperfect the strategy. It’s like a war—in fact legally it is a sort of war given the contracts government established with industry fall under establish defense-like countermeasures against an invisible enemy—in this case an RNA virus.” So how the government has set up and executed this pandemic response has left little to no means for people injured by the vaccine—and there are recognized side effects, adverse events and actual injuries albeit rare, even deaths.” Like in any war the TrialSite founder continued “there will be innocent casualties.” He continued “and hence the unprecedented coordination between government, corporate media and big tech to systematically censor countervailing discussions that are quickly identified and labeled as misinformation.”


    React19’s Dressen further pointed out the growing plight of the vaccine injured “Cutting off a sick person’s connection to others and not allowing them to talk about their disease, the outcome is catastrophic. This has led to permanent disability and in some cases death. It is truly barbaric that this has been done so deliberately on such a large scale with cooperation of governments, tech companies and the media. Not only is this permitted but it is encouraged and celebrated. This censorship is abuse and discrimination against the disabled. Until this changes, good people will remain sick, many will decline, and some will die. I wish that was an exaggeration, but that is the facts.”


    Call to action: Check out TrialSite’s group function. Those who are legitimately vaccine injured are welcome to set up profiles and groups to communicate, engage and support peers. See TSN Groups.

    Denmark Halting Covid Vaccine Shots for People 50 and Under

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    Denmark has been an interesting study during the Covid pandemic. An analysis out of the Scandinavian country acknowledged “natural immunity” among children who had a previous infection of the Covid-19 virus. Also, Denmark joined other Scandinavian countries in pausing the use of mRNA vaccines in adolescents and young adults because of the threat of myocarditis. Now, Denmark has taken yet another different step in the Covid-19 pandemic.


    Country Recommends Vaccination for 50 and Over

    The Danish Health Authority expects a rise in Covid cases in the coming autumn and winter months and is recommending vaccination for people who are 50 and over and for others with underlying conditions. In a statement from the health authority, the Danes said, “With the autumn vaccination program, we aim to prevent serious illness, hospitalization, and death. The risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19 increases with age. Therefore, people who have reached the age of 50 and particularly vulnerable people will be offered vaccination. We expect that many people will be infected with covid-19 during autumn and winter. It is, therefore, important that the population remembers the guidance on how to prevent infection, which also applies to a number of other infectious diseases.”


    The country is also recommending health care workers get vaccinated, but the Danish Health Authority also says, “We have achieved very high population immunity in Denmark. This is due both to the high adherence to the vaccine program and to many people previously having been infected with covid-19.” But the agency does warn both “natural immunity’ and vaccination will wane over time.


    Trend in Europe?

    As of July 1, 2022, Denmark chose not to vaccinate children or adolescents under 18, but a “limited number” of kids at “higher risk” are still offered vaccinations. The Heath Authority claims children and adolescents rarely became severely ill from the Omicron variant. The United Kingdom has banned administering the mRNA vaccine to children under 12 years old. France also has concerns regarding myocarditis in adolescents after being vaccinated with the mRNA shot. As TrialSite News has pointed out many times, the Covid vaccines initially blunted the full force of the Covid pandemic. To a certain degree, Europe has been a bellwether for caution regarding both the Moderna and Pfizer Covid vaccines. It looks as if Denmark is taking a significant step forward in minimizing possible risks for their population.

    Civil Karachi Hospital 423-Patient Study: Ivermectin + SOC Cohort Does Significantly Better Treatment for COVID-19 than Standard of Care Alone

    Civil Karachi Hospital 423-Patient Study: Ivermectin + SOC Cohort Does Significantly Better Treatment for COVID-19 than Standard of Care Alone
    Physician-scientists operating out of a major Karachi, Pakistan academic medical center report the results of their retrospective cohort study. Based at the…
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    Physician-scientists operating out of a major Karachi, Pakistan academic medical center report the results of their retrospective cohort study. Based at the COVID-19 Treatment Center at the Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital in Karachi, the study team analyzed the medical records of 423 patients during a period of six months from July 2020, to December 2020. Stratifying patients into two groups including a 1) 6-day course ivermectin group plus standard of care or 2) standard of care with an aim of measuring endpoints including mortality rate, days from the start of treatment to negative COVID-19 PCR test and rate of step-up to the intensive care unit (ICU). The Pakistani investigators report that the patients in the ivermectin study arm required a less time (8.39 days ± 2.04) to become COVID-19 negative than those patients not in the ivermectin arm (20.38 days ± 6.32), (p < 0.001). Executing a multinomial logistic regression analysis revealed that patients in the ivermectin group were four times more likely to be discharged home than stepping up to ICU---the ICU step up rate for ivermectin was 3.7% versus 13.04% in the non-ivermectin group. The study team found no material differences in mortality rate. They concluded that treatment with ivermectin against COVID-19 improves outcomes in terms of reduction in duration of illness and with progression of disease severity. As far as mortality, the ivermectin group fared better, but after conducting multinomial logistic regression the study team found a lack of statistical significance.


    The study was published in The Professional Medical Journal, a peer-reviewed journal of the Independent Medical College Faisalabad.


    The authors report that ivermectin at a dose of 12 milligrams per day for six days plus the standard of care for this part of the world (Pakistan) “was highly effective and superior to the standard therapy alone in reducing the duration of infection, the rate of ICU step-up as well as the mortality associated with COVID-19.” In this latter point the study drug group revealed mortality was only contributed by the patients with severe COVID-19 infection as compared to the non-ivermectin group.


    The authors reported a mortality rate of approximately 1% for the ivermectin group versus 9.66% in the non-ivermectin group with an absolute risk reduction of 8.74%. But this wasn’t a statistically significant difference via multinomial logistic regression.


    Study Limitations

    The authors report a handful of limitations including 1) the data reveals absolute reduction in mortality based on ivermectin use yet when applying multinomial logistic regression the study failed to show statistical significance in mortality among the two groups; 2) the study team couldn’t longitudinally follow subjects after ICU step-up, due to lack of electronic medical record system in their study set up; 3) the authors couldn’t determine if ivermectin alone or in combination with standard of care produced the positive study results and 4) study subject size limits generalizability across populations.


    Note, the standard of care includes azithromycin, steroids, and/or remdesivir.


    Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi

    This hospital and trial site is based in Karachi, Pakistan. Commonly referred to as Civil Hospital, Karachi, this 1,900-bed tertiary care public hospital also serves as an academic medical center and is one of the teaching hospitals affiliated with the Dow Medical College.


    Lead Research/Investigator

    Tehseen Akhtar Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

    Amber Hanif Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

    Pyar Ali Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

    Muhammad Hussain Haroon Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

    Nimra Akram Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

    Muhammad Umar Raza Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

    Khalid Imran

    Nimra Shakeel Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

    Ramsha Shakeel Dr. Ruth K M Pfau Civil Hospital, Karachi.

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