Post ICCF24 thread.

  • Robert Duncan describes his experience when the tv show asked him to look at Energetics Technologies and see if it was for real. they got 34x excess jpower from Energetics Tech "Run 64" in 2004. It was striking to him, despite the diffuculty in reproducing the effect. He is also excited about the new field of Quantum Nucleonics. Data shows modification of quantum coherence of Fe57 with certain excitation.

    A few years ago I heard Duncan had not had any success at his Seashore Research at Texas Tech, and the lab was shut down. But he is still doing experiments according to him today, and it sounds like he is having some success. Said it isn't reproducible yet though.

  • Just now Hagelstein bashed trevitick/google's project with class....

    It was as polite a scolding as I have ever seen. I remember the 400 experiments Team Google ran, but I did not know it was all Parkhomov's. Talking about putting all their eggs in one basket!


    Greenyer is in a huff now and going to talk with Parkhomov. I am sure we have not heard the last of this. Nothing like some drama mixed with science.

  • I apologize in advance if some might think it inappropriate to post an old theory of mine in its entirety here. If considered off topic please move it to the Playground or Useful Papers Thread.


    The "Empathic Civilization" Slideshow, by Jeremy Rifkin, is the most important reference contained within "A Theory of Evolution through Cold Fusion". My opinion is that everyone here can benefit a little bit by considering his works. Please view his Slideshow presentation at the end.


    A Theory of Evolution through Cold Fusion



    Inspiration for A Theory of Evolution through Cold Fusion


    • “The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?”- Charles Darwin


    • “We have to do the best we can. This is our sacred human responsibility.” – Albert Einstein


    • “In the long history of humankind (and animal kind, too) those who learned to collaborate and improvise most effectively have prevailed.” – Charles Darwin


    • “Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile.” – Albert Einstein


    • “Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science” – Charles Darwin


    • Those instrumental goods which should serve to maintain the life and health of all human beings should be produced by the least possible labor of all.” – Albert Einstein


    • “The very essence of instinct is that it’s followed independently of reason.”- Charles Darwin


    • “Where there is love there is no question.” – Albert Einstein


    • “A human being is part of the whole… universe… ” unknown


    To learn some of the science behind this theory please view


    “The Empathic Civilization” a Slideshow by Jeremy Rifkin

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    Evolution (gbgoble poetic musings)


    Once again, in wonder a child whistles a refrain while sitting on a hill under the shade of a tree. From above a bird on a branch tilts its head and once again joyfully warbles its response.


    On a distant mountain a youth walks alone towards the high peaks. Arrives reflective of humanity, life, and wondering a part to play. A vision unfolds of all that has been and of what can be. Then returns to walk a path praying for the best for all thru-out time.


    Elsewhere, an elder experiences the fruition of a hearts dream that has taken years to bring to success.


    Others watch and inspiration blossoms deep within.


    It’s no wonder my mind wanders in awe of it all…


    Not so far in the distant future, the next generation will look back at our

    generation as the last of the “fire era” and know that the term “energy shortage” was a term for un-enlightened minds.- gbgoble2009

  • Stephen Bannister talks about the confluence of Energy Economics and Geopolitics. 10 /11 US post WWII recessions were precede by large increases in oil prices. Almost 800 million people which is 10% of the global population in 2010 lived without access to electricity. Cheap energy can fix this. That is, "Jed Rothwell cheap", or, 600x cheaper. Also, Stephen says this will eliminate the second-order risk of geoengineering as a solution. If successful, LENR will also eliminate significant health impacts. California has banned new gas cooking stoves!


    He has an equation:

    F = P * g * e * f

    P population

    g GDP intensity

    e Energy intensity

    f ........


    Bannister does forecasting. A graph of total carbon dioxide flux estimates 8.3 x 10^12 of additional carbon emissions through the end of the century. He says this is equivalent to 4 degrees increase in global temperature. Uh-oh.


    He says he is not a carbon neutral guy, he is a Zero Carbon guy. Me and someone else in the audience clapped, and we were the only ones!


    To launch a new Industrial Revolution and move up the Kardashev scale. We are a tiny fraction of the energy used by a Type 1 civilization. In fact, we are a Type 0 civilization.


    He leaves us with one thought, that the Sun is liquid hydrogen lattice(?) Hmm...

  • Michael McKubre swoops in virtually from New Zealand. Cold fusion reactions are an experimental discipline. He has attended 24 ICCFs and not a single one has ocurred without him learning something surprising and unexpected. He wants to be surprised, so please, surprise him, he says!

  • By lack of real proposals as Hagelstein, he knows flexing muscles for a while..

    Michael McKubre swoops in virtually from New Zealand. Cold fusion reactions are an experimental discipline. He has attended 24 ICCFs and not a single one has ocurred without him learning something surprising and unexpected. He wants to be surprised, so please, surprise him, he says!

  • They want to offer the grand prize

    To be clear on what you say they are agreeing with.


    I have said...


    The S-SAFE Energy X Prize should go to the group that helps every other group presently entering the market to improve, grow and succeed.


    For instance.

    If the U.S Government as Represented by the Secretary of the Navy and

    GEC have what they have say they have... they can do this. The IP in GEC's portfolio is owned by the U.S Government as Represented by the Secretary of the Navy. View the claims made by the U.S. government as represented by GEC . Are we to believe these bold claims are lies?


    If Team Google and the DoE have what their recent patent reflects, they can do this.


    If Fabrice David has what he says, he might do it.


    If BEC does, they might.


    Heck, let's throw Rossi in too.


    The point being....


    Everyone wins and there is more than enough to go around.

    The benefits are beyond belief.


    Let's invite a Climate Change Coalition and Greenpeace representative to the table.


    I think they would agree. Everyone looking towards commercialization should not view others as adversarial competitors. Rather that, everyone who hols key important secrets should help bring everyone else up to speed. Everyone will still make money. Maybe not exorbitant amounts, yet, certainly enough to be happy, no?


    The ultra rich have plenty of unhappiness. Maybe having less money, while helping others to have more might cure some of their troubles and worries.


    Wistful thinking...

  • The S-SAFE Energy X Prize should go to the group that helps every other group presently entering the market to improve, grow and succeed.

    That is the criteria. It is important, but it is a different issue. You mentioned that the entire $100 million should not all be concentrated in one prize. They agree with that. The criteria for the prize has not been settled. I believe they want an experiment that works and is independently replicated.

    For instance.

    If the U.S Government as Represented by the Secretary of the Navy and

    GEC have what they have say they have... they can do this. The IP in GEC's portfolio is owned by the U.S Government as Represented by the Secretary of the Navy. View the claims made by the U.S. government as represented by GEC .

    What is "GEC"? You seem to be suggesting the prize might be given to the Navy or some other government agency. I am sure that would be against government rules.

    If Fabrice David has what he says, he might do it.


    If BEC does, they might.

    BEC is Brillouin. Sure, those two would be in the running. Anyone who produces a working experiment that is independently replicated can win. They do not need a theory. That's my understanding. If more than one group comes up with that, both will get some fraction of the prize money. I do not know what fraction they are thinking of.

  • Yasuhiro Iwamura will talk about anomalou heat burst truggered by Input Power Perturbation observed in Ni-based Nanstructure thin films Hydrogen. He starts out by reviewing the Mitsubishi work on thin-films transmutations. When he moved to Tohoku U, he observed anomolous heat in the mulilayer thin film. And now, he is researching this aspect of the thin-films. he heats up a sample up to 500C and Infra-red radiation is directed at the Nano-sized Multilayer metal composite.


    He has a big equation as a model. The crucial elements are the heat conduction, the thermal radiation. He does a blank run using a bulk nickel sample. Excess heat from an active sample is shown in a graph with excess power of 19W, 8.7W, 26W, 19W, 24 W... These are sample data points as time goes on during the run. The excess energy for this run was 16 keV/H cannot be explained by any chemical reaction.


    Another graph of time variation of excess pwoer shows many heat bursts. He magnifies the view of one of the heat bursts. Heat starts on the surface and goes into the center and the other side of the multi-film sample. Another graph shows the same thing, heat bursts start on the surface A of a multi-layer film, and travels through to the other side of the sample.


    Input power fulctuated slightly during the spontaneous heat burst. Could they try to intentionally cause the heat burst? Yes, they did, using input power perturbation! Then, surface temperature A, B and T_c (the center of the multi-film sample) all increased significantly, even though input power was once reduced.


    Also, increases in surface A and B temperatures were larger and steeper than that of T_c. So, heat burst energy generated at the surfaces A and B propagated to the center of the sample T_c.


    Energy generated by a simgle intentionally induced heat burst cannot be explained by any known chemical reaction. Energy genreated by on single heat burst cannot be explained by any chemical reaction. There are variations in the way heat bursts occur due to the parameters of input perturbation, sample surface condition, hydrogen absorption conditions, and other factors. They will be clarifying what is happening using the data from this system.


    SEM analysis on a spontaneous heat producing sample shows spotted regions within the grains, showing elements lighter than Ni and high oxygen concentrations, while other areas have oxygen concentrations below the detection limit. for an intentional heat-producing sample, Oxygen is the most abundant, present in more than 40% according to TOF-SIMS analysis consistent with SEM-EDX.


    In a sample where nothing happened, they took it out and oxidized for two hours at 500C. They looked at a high O concentration area, and it was less than 5%, compared with very high oxygen concentration at black regions in the heat-producing samples are >10%.


    Perturbation of the input power causes a fluctuation in hydrogen density, which might trigger the heat burst phenomena. We are currently attempting to explain the phenomenon by a trapping hydrogen hypothesis. Ni-based nano-sized multilayer film was preloaded with hyrogen.


  • Here are Hasegawa's results. This is impressive. Let me go over this slide, which is a little difficult to read.


    Power turns on at 10 minutes. There is a 10 minute endothermic period, I assume from loading. This is shown in the box labeled "1." Then it becomes exothermic in the box labeled "2." At the top it says Wex = 26 W. "Wex" is excess power. This is 26 W, not 2.6 W. After 60 minutes, excess drops in the box labeled "3." It stabilizes at 16 W, continuing for 2.5 h in this graph.


  • Technova MHE Rand D object and progress by Masahiko Hasagawa.

    Technova and Kobe U over ten years worked on the MHE#1 project. New MHE experimental apparatus is shown. The new MHE goes up to 600C. There are additional temperature sensors, and the sample powder is mounted in a mesh holder.


    He finds a correlation of H-loading ratio and excess power. There are two phases of H-loading, a fast H-laoding in rise-up and slow h-loading after operating at two different temperatures.


    there is a lot going on here, so here's another picture. Summing up, we see that over 32 hours, 1.8 MJ were generated using about 0.63 mol of hydrogen, giving 2.8 MJ/mol_H


    These guys are confirming reproducibility of this system they have. These slides are intense, so I will just show the next one. There is a link between the H/Ni loading ratio and excess power evolution, with 3 phases.




    They then do an experiment where they close the H reservoir, and open it, alternately. Pressure jumps for 10 secs when they open it, and the MHE reactions bump up more and more when they do it.

    They have confirmed reproducibility of re-activation for more than 10 times and they find different excess power patterns by operations under different H/Ni ratios and history of excess power generation.


    New knowledge with two finding on MHE study: close correclation of excess thermal power and hydrogen loading ratio and a protocol for the re-activiation method of MHE power.

  • Francesco Celani talks about the thin Constantan wires under H2, D2 gases at high temperatures. He is saying that the flux of H or D entering or outgassing from the materials is the crucial element in success.


    He is making measurable values of Anomalous Heat Effect AHE.

    He breaks it down to a preparation phase and an activation phase. Lots of text on these slides so maybe Jed will interpret?!