George Egely's Magic Wand

    Quote from Frogfall

    5 eV converts to around 58,000 K (the tests were done with copper cathodes)

    It would have been interesting to monitor monochromatic lines corresponding to heavier fusion products. Production of helium and heavier elements apparently is common despite the fact little to no effort is generally spent on identifying root-cause.


    Between some of the first publications I've read (sorry I discarded them all, but I remember starting from Egely's long video, timestamp 15:25 "The Production o f Neon and Helium by the Electrical Discharge" By J. Norman Collie, F.E.S., Hubert S. Patterson, and Irvine Masson then going through references looking up subsequent follow-up work) was a series of investigations on alleged adsorbed and absorbed neon by electrode metal at foundry/production stage/whatever early stage, and no amount of vacuuming with heating, boiling, evaporating the metal managed to release the gas, only ark discharge. Go figure. I recall authors concluding to unknown effects for those poor neon atoms hanging on to the metal . I imagine love was the force, or something divine, and only zapping them with high voltage managed to break the bond. The so obvious - obvious at a level where it is already invisible - "duck" effect of possibly PRODUCING neon was I guess excluded on the basis it's not even remotely possible. It is forbidden to think about. It's like the statement on Jaitner's webpage "Physicist Neils Bohr insisted that Langmuir's results could not be correct since they violated conservation of energy and persuaded Langmuir that publishing them would ruin his career".

    This is one of the first ever papers on EVO's (AKA Plasmoids) by Winston H Bostick -ex Manhattan Project AFAIK - who was working on this in the mid-1950's and beyond. He cites several of his other papers on the topic, and the paper also includes a postscript verbatim discussion between the author, Hannes Alfven, Blackett and a few others.

    The paper itself runs to 11 pages and provides both the math, the images and a number of interesting diagrams.

    Think about the following scenario:

    1. An inventor’s crude lash-up device, sprawling across the bench in his lab/workshop/shed, displays an ability to generate anomalous power.
    2. The lash-up is not fit to show to other people, because it not only looks a mess, but is hazardous due to loose high voltage wires and exposed crocodile clips, so the inventor builds a new properly engineered version of the device.
    3. The new version fails to perform anywhere near as well as the lash-up, and sometimes doesn’t exhibit any power generation at all.

    This scenario has been repeated, time-after-time, for over a century.




    Quote from Paradigmnoia

    And the old version disappears, was robbed for parts, got lost in a fire/explosion or is otherwise unavailable for reference…

    I think you don't understand what Frogfall means. He has already talked about what he means by the duck staring right in front of you, and is not that this is all a scam.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

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    And the old version disappears, was robbed for parts, got lost in a fire/explosion or is otherwise unavailable for reference…

    Since the inventor(s) is/are invariably convinced that they know how the device works, they no longer have a need for the messy lash-up. Besides. they need the instruments for subsequent tests, and the bench space is also needed, so they just keep the "vital components" for future reference.


    Impugning self-publicists might feel like fun - but wielding the tar-brush can become an obsession ;)

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    I think you don't understand what Frogfall means. He has already talked about what he means by the duck staring right in front of you, and is not that this is all a scam.

    I understood perfectly.

    You may make your own opinions about why dozens of discoveries of the millennium have been destroyed by their owners before replicating it separately. There are always good-sounding reasons, but history seems to show that most of them were not.


    So the lesson to formerly successful inventors from successful inventors is keep your working prototype actually working.

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    There are always good-sounding reasons, but history seems to show that most of them were not.

    As history tends to be written by the skeptics, who aleady have their own opinions, then that is hardly surprising. Facts don't respect opinions, but they need to be found first.


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    So the lesson to formerly successful inventors from successful inventors is keep your working prototype actually working.

    The problem is that what they assume is the the "prototype" is really a subset of a wider system. The duck is good at hiding.

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    I understood perfectly.

    You may make your own opinions about why dozens of discoveries of the millennium have been destroyed by their owners before replicating it separately. There are always good-sounding reasons, but history seems to show that most of them were not.


    So the lesson to formerly successful inventors from successful inventors is keep your working prototype actually working.

    Perfect understanding gives you away. That happens when exactly? End of engagement.

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    And if your first reaction is to say that the inventors were all simply mistaken (edit: or frauds), then I blame you - personally - for the mess the world is currently in.

    As somone so blamed... (mistaken - not frauds)


    Why? :)


    I've seen enough wrongly measured experiments that were well constructed...


    And if magic sauce is based on exact details of construction, not understood, and usually not met? Well then that magic sauce is phenomenologically indistinguishable from similar occasional, and not understood, innocent but wrong measurement.


    THH