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Full NASA Seedling Seminar - LENR Aircraft is online
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it seems they ignore the easiest method which is an hybrid system as SUGAR proposed.
They attack the hard problems.
Brayton cycle, ramjet.... quite challenging.
The idea of nickel nanoparticle seems unrealistic for safety reasons
I prefer the hybrid LENR/turbine+electric+accumulators+engine system, based on existing electric or gas-hybrid system.some really surprising concepts like the wing-in-ground...
HALE Drone seems the first applications.Their phase II seems to continue... refine ideas, create "promotional" content...
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yes they try to address the hard points.
very different from SUGAR Boeing/Nasa approach...
As you says they see less constrained by market approach. Maybe because Boeing job it to quickly make classic LENR plane in 1-2 decade, and NASA/NARI to design impossible aircraft for the decade after.For the first LENR plane I would bet on companies like Pilatus, designing drone, then tourism plane, skydive planes... with hybrid technology...(like the first steam+sail boats)
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<p>I find intriguing why Mr. Wells did not consider important to quote the previous work of Zawodny, with the promotional video of LENR and all, and or the interest shown by Bushnell. Is possible that he is not aware of that?</p>
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I think Zawodny and Bushnell are doing their LENR work in their private freetime, for example in the lunchhour. I don't know if their work is officially supported by the NASA.
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I agree.
The biggest support of NASA to LENR studies have been for long not to fire the researchers who used their free-time, and the NASA labs to experiment and consider LENR.JP Biberian, Longchampt,have worked beside their mainstream activities, with no of few support from their lab.
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Thanks for your reply Barty, I think Zawodny has support of NASA if one goes by the patent application and the video in the NASA innovation site. I also know that Zawodny has been criticized by at least one person online for "wasting taxpayers money" on LENR research. Perhaps this is why Zawodny has gone silent on this.
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Oh, just missed you reply Alain. But you really think Well is unaware of Zawodny's work?
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I don't think Wells is unaware of anything.
However this subject is very sensible, and either he is competing, or not wanting to be "contaminated" by some controversies.
What shock me the most is the fact that it does not refers to Boeing/NASA SUGAR works, not even to acknowledge this seedling takes different position (as barty explain well, his project is different from Sugar and Zawodny).
Zawodny documents are not very rich in "data", unlike SUGAR LENR chapter, which gives numerical requirement on the technologies. Zawodny is more doing promotional work, but as we see at the end of Wells slides it is part of the job...
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I don't think Wells is unaware of anything.
However this subject is very sensible, and either he is competing, or not wanting to be "contaminated" by some controversies.
What shock me the most is the fact that it does not refers to Boeing/NASA SUGAR works, not even to acknowledge this seedling takes different position (as barty explain well, his project is different from Sugar and Zawodny).
Zawodny documents are not very rich in "data", unlike SUGAR LENR chapter, which gives numerical requirement on the technologies. Zawodny is more doing promotional work, but as we see at the end of Wells slides it is part of the job...
Intriguing anyway, perhaps as you say internal competition, or trying to take distance from controversy. I wonder if Wells would be prone to answer e.mails from a Chilean LENR enthusiast...
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good idea, however I expect the answer to be careful... NASA is not a startup.
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The original slides are published as PDF
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The assumptions he made regarding how a LENR system would scale and its throttle-abilty seem reasonable (slide 52). Most
LENR system designs will probably look and function like a fission nuclear reactor without the radiation.Slide 16 was interesting in that he proposes injecting LENR nano-particles into the combustion chamber and blowing them
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What hasn't been picked up in the discussion yet is the comment in the chat on the side at 20 mins, repeated in the Q&A at 33 mins that Lockheed Martin is looking at this too. This is the biggest name mentioned in connection with LENR yet and is potentially huge - I don't think the comment refered to the hot fusion reactor they're designing as that's probably not suitable for aviation.
QuoteChris Snyder (GRC): NASA and other groups are working their own efforts to identify / understand these systems (try to determine if real or not). Nothing to report (yet - as far as I know). So the future is unknown.
Khomaza Dmitry: thank you. As far as I know there is a similar initiative in Lockheed Martin//
Of all the designs shown it seems to me that the VTOL / ramjet one looks most suitable to LENR: pure heat in a ramjet (though it remains to be seen if temperatures above the Nickel melting point are required) and no moving parts means no electricity is required beyond keeping the reactor going during cruise. For take-off driving the rotors should have lower power requirements than a jet take-off and could also be smoothed out with battieries. Transition at 0.5 Mach doesn't seem a great speed for ramjets yet but maybe enough to get them going. The supersonic speed and ability to take off and land anywhere just a nice bonus.
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Lockeed Martin also in that story... probably their skunkwork team.
they also work on aneutronic fusion...good strategy to test everything...
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So, are there any hard scientific studies done here, or are they just doing their usual futuristic projections 'in case' LENR is real?
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no, that is not their business at NARI. They did it at NASA GRC.
(see old thread http://www.lenr-forum.com/old-…mp-Mills-cell-experiments )
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/se…docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdftheir experiments are replicating (miles cells) or have been replicated (gas permeation).
I think that for some industries question is not to develop LENR reactors, but to avoid having their market frozen with clients expecting the LENR model. whether it is cars, planes, boilers, power-plant, cargo, trains, metro, generators, A/C... they will buy the license, the company, or the researchers...
but their job is to develop their new model.It is time to invest and prepare, because in 6 month it will be to late.
for LENR technology I see DoD doing the job through Navy, SRI, Brillouin
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