Tibi's exploration of high current sparks

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    I can say that with aluminum, if the oxide layer was too thick, the glow plasma I was applying couldn't manage to cause the same effects or melt it, although it certainly managed to make it glow quite brightly. That deposition effect seemed unique to CuNi alloy and to a lower extent Cu alone (without alignment to the magnetic field).


    I was using a small 800V DC power supply with a 15 kOhm resistor in series with the anode, for what it's worth.

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    it certainly managed to make it glow quite brightly

    This effect also has its special name: Candoluminescence - and also analogies in cold fusion mechanism, when some atoms behave as much hotter than the rest of lattice. Notably the luminescence is extinguished when small amounts of hydrocarbon gases or vapors are added to the hydrogen. The luminescence is strongest in hydrogen, erratic and very faint in town gas, and absent in carbon monoxide flames. It is also absent in methane and ethylene flames tested at pressures from atmospheric to 10 em Hg. So it may be also related to energy released by atomic hydrogen species.

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    Candoluminescence - and also analogies in cold fusion mechanism, when some atoms behave as much hotter than the rest of lattice.

    Bob G. hints to -if I got this right- the EVO/CP with it's fractal toroidal structure and rotating dynamics, is like a pump, pulling chi (neutrinos?) though it, with a characterized disruption zone, or a "low pressure" area. Any matter in that area is subjected to effects that energize it's electrons (and also atoms?), leading to electromagnetic spectral emission like the material had very high temperature, but it is not heat, and it is a local partial excitation. This causes metal to glow without it being heated, metal to turn into jelly, plasterboards to fall apart in tornadoes, or the basis of working principle in "Windhexe" (industrial machine with no moving parts that pulverizes anything from concrete to crude moist chicken leftovers into fine dust). So long for dual wavelength infrared based temperature readouts, it can mess up the calorimetry sensor data.



    I might have my arrows messed up, I'd certainly would like to spend more time on comprehending dedicated research data that would accompany the interpretation summaries. Initially I was under the impression that no "Chi" is involved, only the condensed plasmoid's strong fields interact with local electrons to produce the anomalous effects. I feel like a child trying to understand grownup stuff that is not allowed.



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    Difficult to tell from the pictures, these are not hollow spheres, right?

    If I melt pieces of silver wire that are "ideal tin can" shape the volume dose not visibly increase. Every photo of a hollow sphere that I've seen have thin walls. There for I predict an obvious gain a volume. Furthermore when I crush them with pliers they disform with logarithmic resistance and do not collapse.

    Looking at micro spheres I am reminded of the desk toy called Bucky Balls, made out of sphere magnates. With them you can make a p    entagonal hexecontahedron,     truncated icosahedron and icosahedron each shape a mono pole made from dipoles!


    An interesting side note: mild steal GEET reactor rods become paramagnetic to earths magnetic fields, I do not yet understand this process (maybe a physicist can explain?) but anyway I have a hunch that micro spheres fond in LENR systems may show some unusual magnetic properties as well.

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    An interesting side note: mild steal GEET reactor rods become paramagnetic to earths magnetic fields, I do not yet understand this process (maybe a physicist can explain?)


    Heat low carbon (i.e. "mild") steel above its Curie temperature, and as it cools it becomes magnetic in the direction of the strongest magnetic field that is surrounding it. For many objects, that will be the earth's magnetic field - which is weak, but still influences cooling ferromagnetic substances. n.b. The steel is not "paramagnetic", but "ferromagnetic".

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    Yea, I guess You got it right: Mr. Bob G. sees EVOs everywhere...

    Which is not a bad thing, it's like if you are a microbiologist, you're going to see microorganisms everywhere, while your carpenter friend thinks you're obsessed with some invisible unimportant whatevers.

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    others see dark matter

    I'm earning my bread through embedded programming nowadays, so I couldn't be further away from astrophysics/particle physics/theoretical physics, however with an electrical engineering background I felt I had some quasi-revelation with my hobby-level interpretation of the hypothesis circulating out there: the Z pinch is a real effect in a plasma transient current filament, also is the kink instability. I can imagine this kinky plasma condensing (Lutz Jaitner) into a stable fractal toroidal geometry (Bob Greenyer) and if the captured electrons, ions somehow escape, the remaining "black EVO" (Ken Shoulders), or the electron-, ion-free fractal toroidal electromagnetic structure, at maybe very tiny condensed size, could be something that we can't really interact with our instruments and this is dark matter or dark energy?


    Who's got the Ansys Maxwell tool license and skills to try simulating a fractal toroidal magnetic moment? (Although I'm sure divergence issues will not let us get anywhere, either because built-in "anti-features" -now I'm creating a conspiracy theory- or the pure fact that a fixed size grid array with a finite element approach is not compatible with a fractal structure. Maybe there is a "reversed" way of testing via simulation: instead of macro initial conditions tested to see if they self-organize in a fractal toroidal structure, lets build a low level, micro initial condition with the indicated geometries and see if it builds higher order stable structures).

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    If I melt pieces of silver wire that are "ideal tin can" shape the volume dose not visibly increase. Every photo of a hollow sphere that I've seen have thin walls. There for I predict an obvious gain a volume.

    Good idea with the volume increase. Could high speed macro videography on a grinding process reveal something? I'd love to see the birth of a hollow crenelated sphere. Maybe at some day we will gang up and rent a capable camera and give it a go. It's not pocket change though for one person's bill just to play around. I invite people with influence calling for a youtube-collab with The Slow Mo Guys, I bet they are hungry for video ideas.

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    If you will look at the evidence you may change your mind. It does not display typical ferromagnetic effect.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbm5RB-RCyg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmcuF0r85k

    Oh dear. This is the sort of stuff that is used to confuse and trick people.


    Just because bar magnets exist (which are deliberately manufactured), it does not mean that all bars that contain magnetism are "north at one end, and south at the other". I've actually spent a lot of time with precision Gauss meters, examining heat treated steels, to determine levels of residual magnetism - as part of my profession. A piece of metal that picks up magnetism as it cools below its Curie point does not create a bar magnet. You get patches of greater and lesser magnetisation, often across the width of the bar rather than along it. What other material was nearby during cooling can have a big effect on the apparent randomness of orientation and residual magnetic strength.


    In one of the videos, above, the guy can even be seen carefully rotating the bar in his hand, after inverting it - so as to ensure the desired (N/S) patch is near the compass. It is deception, plain and simple.


    You didn't mention glass before, but that was also on one of the videos. Whilst glass is generally non-magnetic, depending on its trace ingredients or impurities, and heat treatment, it can become mildly paramagnetic. Nothing spooky going on.

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    rotating the bar in his hand, after inverting it

    To my eyes he inverts and rotates 180 degrees and did not change the orientation of the X axis, there for it can not be contributed to lateral magnetic fields. I appreciate your expertise Frogfall, are you open to the possibility that there is more than deception? Here is a video were the rod is not rotated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awU2M9W2UGY
    Sorry Tibi.fusion if I am hijacking your thread, I can start a thread elsewhere if that would be more appropriate.

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    Oh, now that you mention it, I myself got carried away and forgot what the focus was. Let me rectify by sharing future experimentation plans:


    In order to preempt/spoil any upcoming reporting, I want to share what I'm planning to test next, and I ask for review and support now, in advance.

    I'm going to use a small borosilicate glass test tube, lower all the way to the bottom two copper electrodes through a rubber stopper and spacer, add 1-2ml volume of powder, such that the spark gap is under the powder and perform capacitor discharges of various energies.


    For monitoring/diagnosis my options for now are:

    1. J321 Geiger Miller tube based cheapo detector;

    2. Dental X-ray films, I also plan stacking them, so if there is perpendicular impact mark through many films, it can be filtered from possible defect spots;

    3. Noise pickup on spare oscilloscope inputs;

    4. Noise pickup on a radio receiver;

    5. High speed video with smartphone;

    6. Long exposure photography;

    7. Post-microscopy of glass container and other surrounding shields, of electrodes, and spherules if any new ones might appear through magnet sifting.


    I plan to do this outdoors, remotely.


    On blast protection, pressure relief, shielding:

    1. I plan using layered aluminium+plastic foil around the test tube, except at bottom and top ends;

    2. I plan using a thick iron tube, rather it is an iron/mild steel cylinder I have: 8cm high, 15cm diameter with a 3cm diameter hole in the middle, perfect for a test tube. So it is a "thick tube" with 6cm wall;

    3. Rubber stopper should pop if there is slow gas buildup;

    4. Glass shall shatter if there is a high pressure transient.


    The X-ray film stack would be placed below the tube at an angle, so if it blows up and shoots down, they are not in the middle blast area, also the cameras, antennae would look at the bottom of the tube from an angle.


    The first powder mixture I consider is: aluminium foil particles (mostly aluminium metal and it's layer of aluminium oxide) obtained through grinding it with a coffee grinder, mixed with silicon oxide powder obtained through mashing silica gel balls (desiccant).

    The gas environment first will be plain air, the second attempt can be with the air vacuum evacuated then filled back up to 1bar with unfiltered hydrogen gas, that is obtained on demand through electrolysis of KOH solution.


    Is this dangerous? Yes, very dangerous even it won't produce any of the so called EVOs/CPs. For the casual reader: don't try this at home! It involves lethal electrical voltages and energies, dangerous chemicals, explosive gas, heavy weights.



    Now for discussion on this dusty plasma experiment idea:


    My expectation is that the spark discharge along the creepage distance under the powder will cause expansion, just like the water is doing. It can either shatter the glass at first, or it will withstand many pulses, hopefully at high repetition rates. I expect the powder to continually mix and the particles to be present in the plasma. I hope EVOs will form with this high current brute force approach, and I hope the dust particles will act as fuel for the EVOs. If so, this approach fixes for example the criticality of an electrode coating and it's subsequent damage. By controlling the repetition rate, I hope no sudden burst of high energies emission will happen, like in a metal powder gas loading experiment passing the Curie temperature.

    I hope this experiment yields something more palpable that the previous posts.


    Thank you can for pointing out the radio receiver, and Bob G. for the info. and aguments on the input materials and X-ray film as detection tool.

    I'm further open to suggestions, if you think it will help this "species" of dusty plasma investigations (EVO diagnostics, safety, parameter space, materials, possible unwanted chemical processes, etc.)


    Let me ask a specific question: I think I can dig up an Akai APW20 world band radio receiver from the basement, that might be suitable for picking up possible pops, cracks emitted. How would one tune such a device for receiving? Any experience and suggestions for best practices?

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    Thank you can for pointing out the radio receiver, and Bob G. for the info. and arguments on the input materials and X-ray film as detection tool.

    I'm further open to suggestions, if you think it will help this "species" of dusty plasma investigations (EVO diagnostics, safety, parameter space, materials, possible unwanted chemical processes, etc.)

    Note that I'm not saying that the reaction will directly emit X-rays. I'm saying that it might produce some sort of unknown radiation that causes surrounding materials, mainly metals, to emit soft X-rays. So, metals (aluminum or copper foil, etc.) would have to be in very close proximity to the X-ray film or you might not see anything directly with it.


    For example, in this image a small aluminum strip was added to the outer envelope of a dental X-ray film, and over time (weeks) it caused a "shadow". The film was put in proximity of a cell that produced such emissions (study here).


    https://aipp.silverchair-cdn.com/aipp/content_public/journal/adv/14/5/10.1063_5.0186277/1/m_055124_1_5.0186277.figures.online.f15.jpeg?Expires=1746565200&Signature=CqacmYBLTDbZfCtzc9FFXMa4~P3mIl-fUIjqpPLqETavruFQi93aH7L50LPtE02Q98uH5g7uvKCC2c1GFFZPXQcuWEacm59uSR~~TZms520K0GLHpSEqBBg17Omko~jFtrEQdbMQYxi~lOV2GAclH7MftCNuNdTYcVuJ4-ftXRE563bufR7~~JA1h54O9~a3I5dpI-b0KTFNrtf91tLc6LeZUVf1gBCiKp5C0d0pS~va6WIo7fNBCKqR9rBdzxigtRyP7PFw8lWveVRQInc3U8Pg9JhMEwQyp311-~eI4HN1TxF41sBEwyPTYH88FwHjGbMBSJFn9sXuEGfqAXv5sQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA



    From what little I've tested personally, adding carbon in the form of graphite might enhance electromagnetic emissions/noise from plasma experiments, so that's worth trying.


    But for the anomalous radiation you might need to also add hydrogen in some form and and a fairly long experiment duration, and I'm not sure if that's what you're planning to do.


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    Let me ask a specific question: I think I can dig up an Akai APW20 world band radio receiver from the basement, that might be suitable for picking up possible pops, cracks emitted. How would one tune such a device for receiving? Any experience and suggestions for best practices?

    Try it first with medium wave (amplitude modulation / AM) at a low and unused frequency band. Amplitude modulation should work the best, but it depends on the characteristics of your receiver. The noise emitted during electric discharges is broadband but might peak more on specific frequencies depending on various factors.


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    For monitoring/diagnosis

    1. Nice counter, I haven't seen a more affordable one.

    2. Where do you source your X-ray film/what brand?

    3. How many Hz is your scope? Are you going to use a surge protection or a bridge rectifier?

    4. Are you using a crystal radio? Do you have a scanning protocol?

    5. I hear if your phone is to close it can get fried.

    6. You can get cheep "solar film" to filter out high intensity light, might be worth it for the longer exposer.

    7. Best of luck finding traces. as for using the compound scope, small upgrades in lighting can have great improvements clarity. I wonder how well one of these ring lights would work: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384273930500?_skw=mini+ring+lights. And it may be worth getting a micrometer scale bar to approximate diameter.

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    perform capacitor discharges of various energies.

    Are you referring to charging caps with flyback volts? "Various energies" reminds me of Edwin Gray using positrons instead of electrons or Nikola Tesla's Radiant Energy.

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    But for the anomalous radiation you might need to also add hydrogen in some form and and a fairly long experiment duration, and I'm not sure if that's what you're planning to do.

    I would want hydrogen. And I would exclude oxygen so your iron partials don't burn. I remember some one using oil in their fusor but I can't remember who/where, maybe I can find that reference.

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    off-grid-inovations I sourced dental X-ray film from local dental equipment and consumable suppliers. Commons are Kodak, Agfa, and self-developing ones (contains revealing+fixing solution mix in the pouch bag), I'll use mainly Kodak E-Speed. I have a Rigol DS1054Z oscope unlocked to 100MHz. I'm not sure yet what front-end to use, I'm thinking antennae, magnetic field pick-up coils, electrode-pairs arranged along 3 main planes or axis in the 3D space near the spark. The Akai APW20 I think has a crystal based digital PLL tuner, no scanning protocol, but I'm looking at TinySa spectrum analyzer. Thanks for notice on phone, at least I could do some alu. plate, copper plate shield. I did make some ND filters already out of cheap film for DSLR for long exposure. I have found directional or scattered light works better than ring light, and I plan on using polarized light from old LCD film, or better an old 3D cinema eyeglass (circular polarizer) and moving away from compound biological microscope with tiny focal length and shallow depth of field to a high magnification stereo microscope with wide depth of field and focal length that will enable playing with polarized light. I'm planing to use various capacitors in various series/parallel configurations charged to various voltages. I want to test the effect of hydrogen gas being more or less present, but I'm not thinking in the way of loading the metal lattice. My plasma compression shall be outside the lattice, I guess...

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    Here is a video were the rod is not rotated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awU2M9W2UGY

    That bar is magnetised across, at each end, rather than along - with opposite polarity patches. Notice that it is being carefully flipped.

    Anyone wanting to demonstrate such a "phenomenon" can easily magnetise a bar like that.

    That video is an obvious attempt at deception.

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    reminds me of Edwin Gray using positrons instead of electrons

    Since when did Edwin Gray claim to be using "positrons"? Please can you provide a reference?


    He often talked about "splitting the positive" - but his terminology seemed to come from his educational background, which left him with a lack of conventional ways to describe what he was claiming. It is a common problem in "fringe" fields.


    This is also sliding beyond the remit of this forum...

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