@ Epimetheus "The work of P&F has been replicated many times." Right, including replications by industrial giant conglomerates like Mitsubishi and Toyota.
But somehow these companies decided to ignore the results and renounce to the publicity of winning a Nobel Prize. I wish I were rich so I could offer a million pounds to anybody who would replicate excess heat, and finally end this BS about the hundreds of replications.
Alain, do you REALLY believe that for 25 years P&F were able to replicate the excess heat at will but could not find THREE skeptic scientists to attend the demonstration?
Actually ONE would have been enough. With one convert it would be easy to find three, with three to find thirty, you get the idea.
Frank says: " I am quite opposed to the development of any scenario resembling the humiliation that Pons and Fleishmann had to endure."
Pons and Fleishmann could have fixed the "humiliation" very easily: get together their harshest critics and replicate the excess heat. They had a quarter century to do it. Why didn't they?
True, people who behave like that are usually not called customers, but "marks".
The last one has tested the Ecat for three years, says that it doesn't work, and is being sued for almost 300 million (89 x 3) million dollars for their efforts.
What part of that is unclear?
New product? Check.
New secret customer? Check
New fuzzy deadline? Check
It's deja vu all over again.
Do I need to spell the definition of insanity?
Thomas, if I read the Agreement correctly, the 89 million payment was not contingent on [lexicon]IH[/lexicon] replicating the effect, but on a positive report on the 1MW plant.
I'm afraid that, after this lawsuit, venture capitalists will not touch anything LENR with a 10 foot pole.
From the Aeon magazine article:
"Intriguingly, [lexicon]Industrial Heat[/lexicon] copied their email to APCO Worldwide, a prominent Washington-based consultancy that specialises in, among other things, crisis and issues management along with public affairs, government relations and policy. Why, with the report on Rossi’s test in their hands, does [lexicon]Industrial Heat[/lexicon] feel that it needs APCO’s services?
A skeptical view might be that [lexicon]Industrial Heat[/lexicon] are preparing to announce embarrassing news: that they have been duped by Rossi and perhaps by others involved in LENR development. (They are also apparently investors in Robert Godes’s Brillouin Energy in California)."
Alain, let me see if I get you right: Mary Yugo should be dismissed because she was right, but for the wrong reasons, while you should be respected because you were wrong, but for the right reasons.
So I guess in LENR-land "It's results that count" has been replaced with "It's intentions that count".
AlainCo says now about Defkalion: "...and more generally the LENR community was agreeing on the fact that it was a pony show, not a real test."
Alain CoetmeurJuly 27, 2013 at 9:18 AM
"Today MFMP let a buzz flee about a probable third party test of Hyperion...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=610988905598479&set=a.587293604634676.1073741827.466698113360893&type=1
This test was giving confidence but let shadow for skeptics to hid into. Hope a 3rd party test dispel the shadow and corner the skeptics."
There are people who did not lose limbs or worse thanks to Mary Yugo. There are people who would have lost money on the Defkalion scam if it were not for Mary Yugo.
How many people who want him out of here have done anything for anybody?
How's this for a paradox: Defkalion, who had nothing and was a big scam, did a public, real-time streamed presentation, during an LENR convention.
Rossi, who has the real goods, has always refused to do it.
He got the idea from the QEG people, who would be happy to teach you how to achieve "resonance" for $ 300.00 an hour.
Peter Gluck says: "the enmies still willo tell that it was not a truly independent test they are not rational people."
Will by any chance the enemies say that because this "independent" test has Rossi's fingerprints all over it, like Lugano? It's deja-vu all over again...
Axil said: "MY has contacted employers, contributors, publishers, sponsors, and schools of higher education connected with LENR activists in order to get these agencies to drop support for the LENR activists. If MY finds out where you work, go to school, or do business you will receive no mercy. MY believes in total war."
MY attacked Sniffex and Defkalion, both confirmed scams. He attacked BLP and Steorn, two companies that had taken millions of dollars for many years from investors, while showing no product as a result. He has attacked unreplicable claims "a la Parkhamov". He has attacked Rossi, who has just proven himself a liar, if not a scammer, when saying: "I have invested all my money plus of investors in Leonardo I cannot disclose." when it's in the public record that he has bought over a dozen condos in Miami. I have no problem with these actions by MY. Don't you think it's good for LENR research that the wheat be separated from the chaff?
Maybe you can give examples of the other nefarious activities you accuse him of engaging in.
@ Frankwtu. I have told MY (long time ago, in a personal communication) that he was "trying too hard". It was not just about ad hominems (those were flying both ways) but about repeating himself. Yes, his style is abrasive even for those who agree with him, but I believe that a ban is too hard, considering that he provides good information.
Maybe benching him for a couple of games, as a warning, would be a more proportionate response.
That Rossi may be a fraud is many orders of magnitude more probable than that thousands of scientists all over the world engaged in a conspiracy to sink cold fusion after F&P's announcement, yet those that posit the latter are not called "pathobelievers" while those that posit the former are banned.
If MY were acting exactly the same, but from a believer's perspective, he would not have been banned. Apparently there are plenty of "pathoskeptics" but not a single "pathobeliever"...
Maybe this will be just another ignored nail in the coffin of the myth that research in Cold Fusion stopped in 1989?
