DO you have any other information, other than Rossi says, that Leonardo has a robotic factory, many employees in R&D, marketing, manufacturing, a service, installation and sales team ready to roll? Anything that proves that Rossi has a customer and will be installing in the coming weeks more plants to sell heat? I know future will tell, but what we can tell from this point in time, is, that Rossi is still a one man show, doing terrible presentations from his condo. This we know for sure, thanks to Frank Ackland, who was surprised to hear where to travel for this important show...
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This doesn't change Rossi's story of his deceptive "test" with removed windows, invisible heat exchangers, no goods coming in and no products out ("Platinum Sponge production!"), being his own customer (under oath) and writing bills to him self, etc.... you can't see the forest for the trees, as all other gullible believers (of course: Rossi said so, and it must be true).
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Of course...Such an important publicly traded company that Rossi claims he has on the hook, to introduce a world-changing energy generator - sorry, to be more precise: on selling/buying heat at -20% - would the hell not allow such a clownish behavior of the contracted partner... outlandish business perception on Planet Rossi and his one-man-show followers.
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To me it seems you never read any of the telling court documents (if so you deny what’s in there, incl. Rossi admitting under oath that he did lie) nor did you judge the famous 3rd party report (from his independent buddy Penon, who acted as independent “ERV”) from a technical plausibility (day by day the same measurement for water and electricity for the production of invisible platinum sponges by his customer (Andrea Rossi himself) even on days where Rossi confirmed the Ecat was shut down and under maintenance...just a few things that are not being discussed at Planet Rossi...
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Of course, by law. So must Rossi’s „one the highest echelon’s” which is by no doubt a publicly traded company (or in the the end it is his garage tinkerer or himself? - then no need of course...)
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OMG...sie sind unter uns....
ich frag mich nur, was das für Firmen und CEOs sind, die Rossi und dem Scharlatan aus Kassel hier in DE und anderswo auf den Leim gehen (würden, wenn er denn jemals was verkaufen würde...)
Naja, zur Erheiterung an trüben Tagen immer mal wieder reinschauen bei Herrn Neumann und Herrn Meinders.
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https://quer-denken.tv/die-zuk…-niemand-merkt-es-teil-4/
Kein Wunder, dass diesen Bullshit niemand wahrnimmt...ganz im Sinne und Stil von Rossisays...
Dann warten wir mal die nächsten Wochen und sehen...nichts. Wie immer. es wird halt dann wohl von Herrn Meinders nur kein Follow up geben, weil sich kein Kunde zu erkennen gibt. Ihm hat es vermutlich auch die Sprache verschlagen ob der total convincing commercial presentation...
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A golden future for this kind of tinkering around with non-labeled, nuclear devices nobody cares about, with a prominent neutron detector on top for Planet Rossi...a distant world, far away from our dayly strictly regulated world... sigh. Must be a
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There is no point of no return. There's just a bumpy road ahead. Work to be done. Rossi could fail for any number of reasons; not having the goods is in my opinion one of the less likely ones. If so happens there will still be loads of important work to done. To work against something with considerable energy like you and others do here is a miserable mindset. Where's the upside in that?
And having a clue is not binary. Some; like Lewan and Acland, for obvious reasons, have considerably more clues than you have. As for facts; you dont have any (at least not the way you try to make it out) - most of it is guesswork and opinions; sometimes based on extrapolated indications and seemable "patterns", but mostly just extremely biased personal opionions - trying to fit small pieces of information into existing preconceptions - ignoring everything else.
But as I said. It doesn't matter. My prognosis stands - even when there's 100 customers using ECats in their businesses to save money and environment - you will continue to argue the way you do today. It's probably a genetic "feature" you have...
Nice compilation, but you lack still any objective fact or any piece of evidence, other than "Rossisays". The prerecorded video and his miserable presentation did not provide such evidence, but raised more quesitons and doubts. Everybody was hoping to hear or see at least the name of his "one of the highest echelons in industry"...
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What would be then your mindset on how this can or could happen? What is your point of no return, that your hero is right or wrong in this Rossi saga since 2011?
No one on earth except Rossi (not even Mats Lewan nor Frank Ackland have a clue) seem to know where the heck Rossi' current SK customer is nor his many other ECat customers he claimed to have in the past 7 years? Of course, there are customers, because Rossi said so.
This is the difference, people here discussing facts (we all know) and are trying to explain why Rossi is wrong or a liar. Your philosophy is simply Rossi is always right - probably until he and his "products" and promises of a new fire and a better world will have disappeared in the abyss...
Edit: comment from Rossi on his JONP, which fits to his common history of dumping an actual E-Cat, that is ready for sale, for another more powerful and more effiecient device (as predicted here long ago...)
"While the Ecat QX’s c.p. was not enough reliable to be delivered to a Client, the SK’s is.
Warm Regards,
A.R."So we have to wait and see what will be his next big invention, as said already above by SOT (Next Great Thing That Doesn't Work (NGTTDWtm)
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"... that this is the best way to go aboiut it (due to the disruptive nature).." - no, it is Rossi's way of doing business since many years.
You seem to be ignoring an important fact, that has been explained here many times: HaaS will remain a nice fairy tale - as long as the heat comes from a non-certified blue box in the basement...Rossi could have easily provided in his recent DPS e.g. a UL or any other certificate that is a must have. Without it is simply illegal...I know, Rossi said he has a certificate and Frank Ackland shows all over his place the new ECat SK ad that says "certified for industrial use"...
And: have you ever thought of a 40MW heat installation that is being discussed? DO the math and check how many blue boxes, controllers, piping & plumbing would be necessary...what a mess!
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Rossi scores a nice own goal...
Question was (probably by himself):
4. If a car brand advertised that a certain model could run for 20000 miles without refueling, due to a proprietary new and yet unknown and undisclosed phenomenon, but sealed the actual performances of such car behind a strong NDA, would you buy that car?
His answer:
4- if it works, yes
So here is the reason , why no one knows a customer or hasn’t seen sales of an Ecat yet, given by the master himself: Because the damn thing doesn’t work 😁
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IO - agreed!
And we should not forget Rossi's frequent statements on the temperature in his little nuclear reactors / plasma: 1eV = 11604 K! The most recent one but was 8111 K from his scribble board...anyway very difficult to imagine how he will remove the 22kW from the photons from the plasma. The shaking (why shaking?) camera had a direct line-of-sight (shielding removed?) to the core of the (whatever kind of transparent) plasma cylinder and did not show any sign of any medium that converts the photon energy into heat...another mysterious thing would be how the video camera can "see" something around that very bright plasma while most likely also peeking through a 14 shade protection?
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jtomas style brings back memories ...unfortunately (Torkel was always using kind of that ranting against Rossi sceptics back in the days...)
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Hi Argon
Interesting! Please expand on the technical details of how you prepared this alternative video.
...as we seem to know the entire "plasma" may have been a fix bright light spot taped by a shaking video camera to create the impression it is a "dancing" and living plasma. There is a reason that the camera shows a blurry overexposed "plasma spot" - would be easy to fix this by using a grey filter or a very short manual shutter time. But Rossi of course wants nobody to know how the plasma looks like...
There are so many possibilities... others seem to be more creative in this direction...
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Any questions? This was clearly predicted here long ago...but Rossi acolytes are now sure , this is the only way Rossi can go. He is making it clear to his mini me... he would love to disclose their identity but the bad customers deny and want an NDA.. 😆
- Michel
February 5, 2019 at 1:44 PM
Dear Dr Rossi,
It seems that all your customers will be subject to a non-disclosure clause, like the current client of whom we know nothing.
How is this compatible with a rapid diffusion of the reactor to the market?
Regards,
Michel
- Andrea Rossi
February 5, 2019 at 1:50 PM
Michel:
It is, because our Clients like not to be harassed, at least for the time being. Otherwise they would not ask for an NDA.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Edit: SOT was a bit faster...
- Michel
February 5, 2019 at 1:44 PM
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Doesn’t he use the wrong neutron detectors? Bob G. Interestingly is allowed to talk about this on ECW. He identified this little detail in the presented pics and video...Rossi says, no radiation detected...so who knows?
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They even claim that the customers buy just heat, and this doesn't need certificate, there is no worry about anything else because all the rest is Rossi's own stuff....
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Carpet factories in Georgia use a lot of process heat and steam. The people at Hydrodynamics sell them heating equipment. (https://www.hydrodynamics.com/) I have been to visit them many times, and I talked to carpet factory managers and engineers. They would hardly notice a 20% savings, and they wouldn't care about it. They are more concerned about other things such as: reliability, safety, capacity, dirty water clogging the boilers and pipes, equipment maintenance cost, and so on. They would go with a boiler that is 20% less efficient but does not clog up. They are also restricted by regulations and by common sense. For example, an open flame might cause an explosion, so they have to use electric heaters, even though gas is about 3 times more energy efficient and cheaper.
A proper market research would have revealed that Rossi's business case would not work ... he missed that part of a successful and important product design as well. But as we can see it is quite easy to convince almost everybody on ECW, that what he does is right and the only way (to fool gullible followers and - his hope - another investor...).
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Well said! It is not only the spectroscopy, but also calorimetry and simple math, that seems to be a problem. The more but all these fantasies on robotic factories, hundred of employees, selling heat -20% business plans, not meeting the simpliest requirements for product design, verifiaction and approval etc. You can go on and on. Everybody who can count 1+1 and has a realistic view on this charade from a higher altitude should find out in the twinkling of an eye that this latest "market launch" on ECW, supported by his friend Frank Ackland, is another of his masterpieces...we have seen quite some.
I for myself (being once a believer in Rossi and LENR, but gave up soon on the Rossi side) but find it interesting and entertaining to follow this story, just to see how this will work out for Rossi, Leonardo and ECW (which is his last stand in the market, it seems, oh - I should not forget Mats Lewan).