Posts by Fyodor32768

This is because (from my understanding) he didn't really claim a nuclear reaction or anything like that. It just appears to claim the structure and steps for performing the reaction. As far as I can tell the examiner just checked to see if anyone had put the components and ingredients together in the same way.

I'm glad that the public has the additional information in the patent and I hope that the patent makes Rossi more willing to share additional information with the public. But if someone didn't believe in Rossi or LENR before there isn't anything here that would really change their minds.

LENR needs either (A) a publicly known and reliably reproducible experiment that shows unambiguous excess heat or (B) an openly available commercial product. Hopefully the patent will move those goals forward.

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I've read the observations of the examiner on uspto site.
It seems quite minor, and I've found no experimental results.

there was much more experimental results in a previously discussed e-cat patent (a recent one with dogbone like heater).

to see the exchanges open
http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair
fill catptcha...
check "Application number" and enter number: 13420109

select tab "image file wrapper" and sort by mail room date

maybe you can find more.

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As I understand it, the claims only cover the heating mechanism, not the actual LENR reaction so I don't think that we can regard this necessarily as an endorsement by the patent office or an indication that they will start granting cold fusion patents.

There is some interesting detail about the fuel composition and cartridge which may be of interest to people trying to reproduce the effect.

Right. I'm not sure why they haven't simply shown a self-running electrical generator yet if they can do what they claim.

Solar Hydrogen Trends's patent has published. I remain pretty skeptical but for those who are interested, the patent has the first purported explanation of their proposed mechanism of operation.

http://newenergytreasure.com/2…hony-of-sonoluminescense/

Is there a "mouse" hot-cat? I thought that the "mouse" was only for the low-heat devices and all the Hot-Cats required power.

Mr. Jiang

Thank you for your hard work and for communicating with the community like this.

Can you tell us more about the "Ni-H research group" of which you are a part? How many people are members of the group? Is there any other LENR research being done by your group or interesting experimental results that you could share with us?

It sounds like they are going to try with a liquid compound with nickel and iron nanoparticles floating inside of it. I wish that they would publish more information about the results they've seen so far on their standard reactor (their previous disclosures have been pretty vague). Does anyone have the patent application that they mention?

Yeah. We'll see. As much as I'd like to see the field enjoy the legitimacy that the patent system can grant, a patent is required to have a detailed enough disclosure to permit others to reliably recreate the invention. And we've hardly seen a spate of reliably reproducible excess heat experiments from this patent.

Well, first, I don't know that Klimov is doing pure scientific research-it sounds like it's a company.

Second, I think that power level does matter scientifically. Even with same COP it's much easier to mismeasure excess power at the KW level. You're usually recording heat through changes in some sort of fluid temperature. A 50 degree increase is much less likely to be mismeasurement or regular temperature fluctuations than a .5 degree temperature.

Is that for the same patent? It's not clear from the thread. The opposed patent looks like it is having an oral hearing in September.

https://register.epo.org/application?documentId=EXFU6JNQ7762956&number=EP09806118&lng=en&npl=false

This may be old news to everyone, but apparently there is a patent opposition proceeding involving an LENR patent granted to Piantelli in Europe.

It appears, if I am reading it correctly, that Leonardo Corporation has filed an administrative challenge at the European Patent Office to Piantelli's patent grant, arguing that the claims are not clear/specific enough and lack an inventive step. Some of the details appear to be in the two April 15, 2013 documents here.

https://register.epo.org/appli...

There is another opposition filed by another party that I do not recognize (EFA SRL), filed on October 15, 2013.

Wow-this is quite a result. COPs in the 2-10 range and KW scale power. Other than Rossi has anyone reported power output in that range?

ME365,

PArkhomov attributes the success of his tests to the use of a chopped sine wave and the more complex harmonics that it creates. Do you plan on using such a signal?

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015…who-are-also-replicating/

Thanks for your hard work on this.

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Fyodor32768,

Good find.

Since they are a spin off of Oxford, my guess is that they are credible, and
probably have some experimental data, if not a prototype.

My interpretation is that they will use nano-structured surfaces to initiate the
formation of the "jets" formed by the collapsing bubbles.

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As far as I can tell from the patent and website, they've seen increases in turbulence and pressure but no excess heat or transmutation. In terms of "credible" I don't think that they're frauds or anything, but there's not any real reason *yet* to think anything will come of it.

This looks to be the company that they spun off.

http://firstlightfusion.com/

From the description it doesn't sound like they have a working prototype or anything.

Is there anyone in contact with Levi at al who can tell if this testing happened?

Keep in mind that NASA has tens of thousands of employees. People from NASA might be there in their personal capacities or on behalf of their individual professional projects, but aren't representing "NASA" as such. Government agencies of all kinds are generally very careful about making sure that their employees do not speak on behalf of the organization unless authorized to do so.

Well, I'm not just talking about safety, but the type of reliability you need from a single boiler home product. If I were a Brillouin or [lexicon]Industrial Heat[/lexicon], I'd focus my efforts on the power generation or industrial market, which will be more forgiving of individual module reliability and is big enough to keep everyone busy for a long time.

I guess that someone will need to first have a commercial high-temp reactor before we worry about who buys them.

Was there any more clarification about COP or power density?

I think that in their interview a few years back they were talking about taking over an abandoned asset coal plant (one that cannot operate because of pollution regulation but still has boilers and grid connection) and retrofitting it with LENR equipment.

As much as we would all love home generators and disconnect from our utilities, I think that we're looking at at least 10 years of these things being used in commercial power generation or industrial plants before we start seeing home products. The level of reliability and safety you need for home use is so much higher. Both because you don't have a technician managing it and because if you have a hundred or a thousand boilers you can afford to have individual boilers fail much more often.

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I follow the technology of Climeon but it is designed to exploit low temperature waste heat sources.
even below the hotcat temperature, like around 300C, normal turbines works very well.

I have seen many possibilities more adapted :
- turbines and classic steam rankine
- alcaline metal thermal to electric converter, AMTEC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A…mal_to_electric_converter
- thermionic converters
- thermoacustic acoustic engine.

Climeon technology seems an enhanced version of more common ORC (organic rankine)

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I think that if Rossi succeeds in making an industrially reliable product that can generate heat at high enough temperatures for electricity generation, we'll probably see traditional sterling/rankine type engines initially. Thermionics have low conversion rates and require very high temperatures. Alcali thermal has really low power density. There are some interesting looking thermoaccoustic sterling engine products, but I don't know if anyone has actually succeeded in bringing one to market in quantity.People have been trying to convert heat into electricity for 120 years-there may not be any miraculous improvements on the horizon.