So, which paperd will contain the proof - if you can give me a precise reference I can find it - paywalled or no?
Fralick analog by Liu 2007
https://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2006/2006LiuB-ExessHeat.pdf
Biberian Analog:
And Biberian Follow up
There are plenty of replications of Fralick with difussion through Pd and one of those, through a Pd thin film, proved that the level of excess heat was comparable to nuclear in Energy density.
Biberian also did a replication of sirts with 3 W of excess heat and proposed two mechanisms for explaining the excess heat, one of them nuclear.
Difussion of H through a Nickel tubing was also proven to generate excess heat far beyond that chemically explainable, this is work done by trying to replicate Mills claims, but I mention it because was done by independent party.
This is the transcription of the same video of Kenneth Shoulders and John Hutchison talking, and in it Kenneth kind of acknowledged what John Hutchison does involves EVOs.
https://steemit.com/steemstem/@mfmp/kenneth-radford-shoulders-extras-transcript
Fralick 1989 is a classic
https://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1989/1989Fralick-NASA-Results-of-an-attempt.pdf
Fralick 2020 (the follow up of which was presented by Benyo at ICCF 24)
two versions, one at Nasa and the other at the IJHE
"d. Until an experiment is reproducible more-or-less at will, producing more-or-less the same results (including magnitude and timing) more-or-less every time then we cannot know that it is real and fully under our control." (McKubre, ICCF23)
There are experiments reproducible at will that show more or less the same results, i.e. the anomalous heat during difussion of H or D through the PdAg tubing of a Johnson Mathey Hydrogen purifier (Fralick et al 1989, repeated several times and last confirmed by Benyo et al 2020 and further expanded at ICCF 24th).
Nice video- Bob Greenyer and George Hathaway talking about building EVO generators ar Ken Shoulder's lab and with Hal Puthoff/Scott Little. Although Hathaway worked with Hutchinson, he is not mentioned here.
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John Hutchison comments often on Bob’s videos, also in this one. It seems to me Hathaway, Puthoff and Ken Shoulders seem to have been in touch with Hutchison and each other regularly, they were clearly acquainted with each other at least, beyond their scientific collaboration.
The deceptive simplicity of the EVO blaster described here is only recognized when one sees the microscopic images of the effect those “blasts” had on the targets. The excess energy was clearly hinted.
In 1875 Thomas Edison was responding to withering letters, in the correspondence section of the Scientific American, about articles reporting the results of some of his experiments. He finished one long and detailed reply with the following:
A century and a half later, his words are still relevant.
https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/1/oa_monograph/book/26667
I have quoted from time to time skeptic papers that instead of denying the excess heat have been able to replicate it but claim the excess heat is perfectly explainable by non nuclear methods. IMHO These are the only skeptic papers worth discussing.
In 1875 Thomas Edison was responding to withering letters, in the correspondence section of the Scientific American, about articles reporting the results of some of his experiments. He finished one long and detailed reply with the following:
A century and a half later, his words are still relevant.
https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/1/oa_monograph/book/26667
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gerold.s , Mizuno reactors are gas loading, even Ubaldo Mastromatteo has used his Mizuno inspired R20 analog (he claimed to have failed in replication of the Ni mesh rubbed with Pd) repurposed for experiments with his preparatiom of Ni nano powder and was succesful getting excess heat.
You can find in this same thread several tips and examples of reactor replication (sealing materials, vaccum resistant gaskets and valves, heaters, reactor degassing,etc.)
Joke! Moderna had access to the SARS-COV-2 spike at least 3 years in advance. They were able to chemically change it in a non folding version something not done in the Pfizer poison. Of course you can produce a RNA vaccine in 2 days once you have the virus code but you can't change the spike in 2 days.....
Basically you can enter the virus code in a PCR printer and produce the whole virus RNA - only the final virus assembly (folding) cannot happen that way.
Legal prosecution expert researcher PhD. David Martin has the whole documentary back up of when this all started in the late 1990s. His annoyingly long (because of the translation to German) hearing with Reiner Fuelmich is something few people have the stamina to sit through.
Display MoreOne of the few LENR related research efforts in Germany..
Not afraid of the reputation trap..
D.Seeliger T Stiegler Dresden
https://www.researchgate.net/p…tarkung_durch_Elektrolyse
Experimental Studies of Heat Emission during Cavitation Processes in Aquatic
Liquids - Part VII: Enhancement by Electrolysis
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The results of two experimental series from the years 2017 and 2018 are presented and the
influence of heat losses in the power electronics on the results of analyses has been discussed, in
particular (Sections 4 and 5).
Using a new product of power electronics the heat losses have been reduced essentially, leading to
a significantly increased reliability of results on heat emission obtained. Repetition experiments as
carried out so far confirm, that the combination of cavitation with low electrolytic current may
increase both COP and efficiency E (Section 6).
These were published a good while ago (we discussed them in october 2021 already) and then they were made unavailable, good to see them available again. May be wise to dowload them this time.
I have emailed somebody who was close to KS to see if they have any idea about Hutchinson's possible role as inspiration for Ken's work on EVO's. I will let you know what (and if) I leanr more.
Thanks! Will be nice to have a first hand point of view.
I will try to find the letters to the editor of Matsumoto where he acknowledges the importance of Ken’s work. I recall was a exchange with Ed Lewis.
I wasn't sure where I had seen the video I mention of Kenneth Shoulders talking with Hutchison, took some googling and found an old blog article of Bob where it was even transcribed.
I meant anyone whose's life doesn't depend on it.
Nonsense. The inspiration was from Bostick's work.
Ok Alan Smith , I can't argue with you as you have a much better understanding of these relationships.
I can only say that this doesn't come from me.
My source for the above statemente is Bob Greenyer. He and John Hutchison are currently in almost daily touch, and Bob has a video where he states that was Hal Puthoff, at the request of Eric Davis (if I recall correctly, this last bit may not be accurate), who hired Ken Shoulders to study the Hutchison effect and this is what led to the EVO discovery. If this is nonsense, I am surprised. Bostick's work is however also involved in this by Bob's account of the story, as being already under research by Davis / Puthoff when they got interested in the so called "Hutchison effect".
I recall also seeing a lenghty video of Kenneth Shoulders talking with Jon Hutchison in a very relaxed demeanor, where they appear to be talking at large of plenty of stuff in the absolutely fringe side of things, and I recall specifically Ken talking about being interviewed by the Prince of Liechtenstein about his work.
I asked several questions about the particular professional relationship between Kenneth Shoulders and the controversial John Hutchison to LENR-CANR ChatGPT bots 1 and 2. Bot 1 provided no results but Bot 2 at least gave some general answers that I was able to narrow down to the following:
This answer is quite revealing of the general reception the EVO topic has received.
I just want to add that has been stated since long that the work that led Kenneth Shoulders to discover EVOs derived from his mission of studying and replicating the Hutchison effect. This is a hairy topic and probably contributes to the general silence with which most EVO-LENR relationship claims are met with.
Wuhan market samples shed no more lightHopes have been dashed that genomic data from swabs collected in the early days of the pandemic will reveal the origins of COVID-19. Data from the swabs, collected by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, have been analysed by three teams, but each has failed to pinpoint which animal species — if any — infected people at the market. “I would basically describe this as a negative result,” says Jesse Bloom, the virologist who conducted the latest analysis.
Nature | 5 min read
I wonder if there's anyone left still waiting for evidence to say if the bat soup hypothesis-fantasy was ever true.
Appreciate your willingness to deep dive in this topic. I just wanted to point out that Ken Shoulders work is not at all shunned by LENR-forum, in fact we even have available for download “A Tale of Discovery” in the USEFUL BOOK THREAD.
We are also aware that Takaaki Matsumoto realized the importance of Kenneth Shoulders’s work and recognized that EVOs / Ball lightning were at the core of LENR, which was recorded for posterity in a letter exchange published in Fusion Technology.
That said, the problem for a wider acceptance and understanding of this important knowledge is that Ken’s work is complex and completely against the grain of mainstream knowledge, hence is met with silence, mostly. I don’t recall at which ICCF Kenneth attended and presented his conclusion that the key to LENR was the EVO. He was largely ignored. A shame, but also a fact.
ah, yes, exactly, sorry for double. same source. Zhang Hang, publish on that Chinese forum...
Not really a double source as Alan Smith posted the pdf in English and you posted the Chinese HTML source.
An article in Chinese, about a replication of those experiments by Zhang Hang
http://www.lenr.com.cn/index.p…dex&a=show&catid=7&id=905
The google translation seems clear
Thanks AlainCo , it seems to be the same that Alan Smith posted in English a few posts back in this thread, now we have the original in Chinese.
