Display MoreThanks for those pictures, worth thousands of explanatory words.
I see the three PID's. You mention 3 thermocouples in Lugano, right?
I'm assuming that Rossi would say these are used to control the heating coils of the catalyzed reactor, no? (I have a simpler explanation)
I'm interested in how you interpret these, and what specifically are you calling our attention to?
More worthless speculation. Just stop.
This makes no sense. If the old experiment is wrong, there is nothing to replicate. The effect has never been seen, and it probably does not exist.
Skilled people at I.H. spent a year looking for it, and found nothing, so I doubt there is anything to be found. If it does not exist, it isn't important. Right?
I suppose you might say "testing to see if the Rossi effect exists is important." But apart from Rossi's notoriety, I do not see why this particular claim is especially important. If I won the lottery, I would pay people to check 10 or 20 different claims. This one does not deserve a high priority. As I said, it was already checked by I.H. Assuming it does exist, what makes it more important than other claims? Lots of cold fusion effects might exist, and have been reported from time to time. Cold fusion with Ti and Au have been replicated. So I guess that makes them more promising than Rossi's unconfirmed nanoparticle Ni claim.
IH intended to steal the technology from Rossi so they would have had a lot of reason to lie about success. It's a lot easier to steal a technology that is deemed worthless.
Display MoreJed,
You are seriously one of the most depressing people I have ever conversed with. I'm really left with no choice now but to go eat worms.
"The budget for this program this year is ¥3,410,000,000 [$27 million]," Iwasuji wrote. (Referring to 2015.)
http://news.newenergytimes.net…fund-lenr-research-again/
“The joint research team (Nano-METS) comprises six institutions: two companies, Technova and Nissan; and four universities, Tohoku, Kyushu, Nagoya and Kobe.”
http://news.newenergytimes.net…rship-in-lenrs-continues/
"Japanese industry, government, and academia announce the opening of a new cold fusion lenr R&D facility at the prestigious Tokohu University."
http://atom-ecology.russgeorge…-fusion-lenr-rd-facility/
Just a small sampling, by the way.
Alain summarized what is happening in India:
India: NTPC Organizes Third LENR-India Forum Meeting in Bengalore (involving NIAS/NETRA)
And as for Russia, Peter knows much more about what is going on. Here he summarizes the Russian National LENR Research Plan:
Maybe your old friends and acquaintances have stopped notifying you because you are such a buzz kill.
I have a feeling that Trump is just getting started. Pelosi, Schumer, the Podesta boys, et all have yet to realize the bitch-slappin that is taking place.
First the Clintons now the CIA and next the industrial media-democrat complex. Somebody is playing serious hardball and people are going to dethroned with some of them going to prison.
I am amazed that we actually agree on something. Maybe there is hope for you yet.
My view is that there was never much steam and the system was pressurized and perhaps with some antifreeze that kept it below its boiling temp and that Penon lied in his test plan and didn't use the absolute gauge he promised or that Rossi swapped it out.
Yes, and President Trump is Hitler's long lost grandson, sure, I'd believe that. NOT!
Ah yes Malcolm - quite nice! Some lovely associated naming conventions that we may be able to apply here - kind of surprised that similarly named R SPs have not surfaced yet.
New to the game are the Knatterpout, Poof-Poof goes your money, Phut Phut you or Pouet-Pouet in your suet options to choose from. While not related, I'd also to take the opportunity to add "spread-out porcupine" to the list as well.
He's going down down down down down.
Oh God, and here we go again. Would you guys quit encouraging him. He's like a kid who found a new scatological knock, knock joke to tell around to his little friends.
Easy. He has this great invention you see....
Good one Alan, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha......
YES, YES, YES and YES!
Display MoreThis is a court case, not an experiment.
As Mats said in a recent interview (*) , the data filed so far is the tip of the iceberg. Both Rossi and IH have filed close to the minimum required to keep the case alive, so it can reach the jury. Rossi is under no legal obligation (and would be unwise) to present any defense at this stage except to answer the counter-complaint "deny and demand strict proof thereof").
Rossi is correct in declining to answer any questions relating to the case.
I still don't understand why deep-insider Dewey is leaking/signalling information about the case, which may or may not be true, and may or may not be presented in the case.
* Mats recent article is from October, and so doesn't even take into account recent court filings.
Finally a reasonable post from someone who understands the US legal system. Thats why scientist should not practice law and Lawyers should not do science.
Para - hilarious. Don't forget to associate the perfect vacuum & water leaks as claimed by Penon / Rossi. Perhaps we have a perpetual motion machine after all.
All I know for sure is that you are perpetually full of it.
You have that backward! The pipe was 40 mm in diameter. Ergo the steam density and speed could not have been what is claimed. This is proof that your equations do not apply.
You cannot erase facts because they prove you are wrong. It only works the other way around.
The thing is there are not real facts. They are all incomplete, probably intentionally.
Display MoreMore about Penon, and the essence of the dispute here
Please compare these two data;
37.57 km/hour and
21.09 km/hour
These the average speeds attained during
100 m run and
at the marathon (42.195 km) as show
the present athletic world records. For the long range test you can/must run slower.
And Penon was accused for incompetence because he has chosen an flowmeter seemingly oversized- actually specially calibrated on purpose.
his task was to choose and test instruments for an marathon test and for this resistant instruments with constancy in reading are necessary- specifically a flowmeter calibrated for the conditions in which it will function- - sealed for a year- then verified by re-calibration in the same
conditions. (documents at the Court)
The flowmeter has rotating parts and these must be as resistant to wear as possible.
Obviously a minimum number of rotations possible is good- this is the very reason, the logic, the superior technological common sense that has guided Penon in choosing the type of apometer.
- aimed for behaving well during the loneliness of the long distance Runner. And it had!
Industrial experience.
Thinking about Penon who was viciously attacked here from the vety start- I realize an essential thing.
The Rossi killers here are not so much corrupt
(funding is limited) as indoctrinated and self-indoctrinated to hate. Rossi must be hated! and then hatred is extended to his collaborators to his supporters - ostracized to a strange asylum like fictive Planet- hate everything related to Rossi.
Hate the Plant, hate the instruments, but focus on persons. It is something pathological in this but it is human, it is overall, in the worst senses...just it is not effective and not efficient.
It is useless to speak aaout the chief indoctrinators proselytizing "hate Rossi!"
Understand them, they are lacking technical proofs.
I equate it to the "Trump haters" in the U.S. after recent election.
IHFB doesn't have any facts - everything provided by Rossi now deserves to be should be treated as fiction as it comes from a self-confessed liar who didn't know when to stop and get off the merry-go-round.
Now he is dragging all of his proselytes around with him.
Better to be a proselyte than a prophylactic like you.
They have
fundedseveral researchers at a time when there is almost no money in the field. FTFY. Do you think they are friends of the MFMP? If so, think again.Who has IH "co-opted" as opposed to just funded. Name one that was "co-opted" that as in anyway publically attacked Rossi. No researcher that I know of that are supported by IH have said anything like that. In fact, most of them have remained so silent as to only know of their existence by Darden's interview. If you mean co-opted in terms that they have received funds from IH which you crossed out then perhaps yes, but if you mean it in terms that IH is using them against their wishes and against their views of Rossi then no - In terms used by Rossi, I demand proof.
They attempted to co-opt Rossi's technnology, but he was on to them and filed the suit to stop them.
There is the risk of summary judgment as well, before the suit even gets to trial. Seems like a miscalculation to intentionally irritate a judge.
It's not the judge you shouldn't irritate, it's the jury.
@Rionrity. Alternator?? yes of course, is there a problem doing that??
No problem, it's only direct current, but it will knock you on your bum for sure and if you hang on long enough it will stop your heart.
That quote was uploaded by Rossi in the lawsuit filing. Abd inserted the sics, as I explained previously.
If you do not believe Rossi, who do you believe?
Certainly not you Dewey.
So if all the information is junk, then how could this be a GPT?
One simply cannot guarantee the performance of something with out of spec measurements (water meter, pressure sender) and reported measurements that make no sense (0.0 bar, input electricity higher than fed to the building).
All this was a test of is the patience of many people.
Not saying that all the information is junk, just the information that has been provided so far. You all should remind yourselves that 6 out of 8 jurors are going to decide this case and only on the information they are provided by the attorneys and witnesses. A good poker player does not give away his hand even under threat of "so called" sanction, which will in the end amount to no more than a slap on the hand anyway. Have any of you actually attended or been a party to a civil suit? I have and believe me its anybody's guess right now who will prevail.
Yes it sounds likes lawyer talk. There is very evidence by Rossi against IH, yet he will have to get a unanimous jury verdict to win his suit against IH. For some reason many of the "Planet Rossi" folks seem to think that the lack of evidence is good for Rossi that it is IH that must bring evidence against Rossi. That is only for the counter suit. It is as if Rossi's lawyers are giving up attacking IH and are just playing it as a defense in the counter suit.
Oldguy, you keep getting it wrong. This is a copy and paste from the courts web site.
A civil case is usually between two or more persons, companies or corporations
who have a dispute concerning money or property. The party suing for compensation
is called the "plaintiff." The party being sued is called the "defendant."
In a civil case, the jurors must decide if and/or how to compensate the plaintiff
for any damages. In civil cases, six (6) jurors (three-fourths of the eight
jurors) must agree on a verdict.
Direct current is much safer than AC. This is a fact. Edison proved it with his tests. Arthur Clarke and others suggested that with cold fusion generators we should go back to using DC to reduce the threat of electrocution.
No, he did not. This is a myth. His income was mainly from patents, and you cannot patent a stolen invention. The original inventor will complain and the Patent Office will revoke the patent. Edison did, of course, build on the work of others. All inventors do. For example, incandescent lights were invented about 20 years before he began working on them, by Moses Farmer and others. Farmer was not upset and did not claim the Edison stole anything from him. He had a high opinion of Edison.
If you think its so safe go and grab the positive lead on the alternator of your car.
You haven't had the best week either Alan.
That sounds vaguely like an admission that things aren't rosy on Planet IH.
Edison's best bulbs worked for 3 to 10 seconds. He then licensed the technology that made the light bulb market ready - then he went and made the market. Incredibly, Edison sockets to this day.
Let us not desecrate his name any further with mentions in postings that include to the overlord of Planet Rossi.
Edison stole the light bulb from another inventor in Europe.
Well, no - but there are such things as colonels in their own countries temporarily attached or seconded to NATO . Not that that would entitle any of them to accept anything on behalf of "the military".
I'm going to make a risky prediction here. Rossi will withdraw his suit and/or run away.
NO, but he may settle for half of the 89,000,000 so he can get his quark developed.
I can hardly believe the naivete of so many on this forum, expecting that researchers should spend untold amounts of time and money on work and then bequeath it to the world out of the goodness of their heart, for the goodness of all mankind; and simply for acknowledgement. Balderdash (actually I had something bit more profane in mind), it just don't work that way in the real world. In fact I suspect that any of you so called "professionals" out there who support this myth simply haven't discovered anything with potential yet. If (and that's a big if) you ever did I have little doubt that you would clam up too and start looking for a good patent attorney. Every person alive is looking for acknowledgement, but in terms of money and lots of it. Money is what makes the world go around and always has. Fame is just the icing on the cake.
That is because you have not read the book, you know nothing about Edison, and you are deluded about Rossi. Yes, Edison had some bad habits common to inventors, but he was the real thing. Whereas Rossi is nothing but a fake and criminal.
No I haven't read "the" book. But I do know that Edison was a showman who killed innocent animals in order to convince the public that alternating current was more dangerous than direct, stole other inventors inventions and claimed them as his own, hired workers and paid them little in order to promote their work product as his own personal genius and still we teach our children that he was greatest inventor of our age. He was at least as much of a B.S. artist as Rossi and probably worse once we find out the truth of this matter at hand. I think that you, THH, Weaver and many others are trying to do to Rossi what your brethren did to F and P 27 years ago.
Actually, it often failed. He was notorious for making outrageous claims and putting on what we would now consider fake demonstrations. He was also a "sharp dealer" meaning dishonest. When he died they found stacks of unpaid bills. He also spent his investor's money like water, buying up instruments and hiring people galore, and then demanding two or three times more than originally agreed to. Still, he was a genius, and he managed to make most things work eventually. See the biography "A Streak of Luck" for details.
On the other hand, he was not as bad as supporters of Tesla sometimes claim, and he was ahead of his time in his concerns about pollution and conservation.
Sounds remarkably like Rossi to me.
Display MoreIt is not possible to dump it down the drain. The water supply to a commercial building is not large enough. The water has to be cooled to below 80 deg C or it will destroy the plumbing and the sewer. See the FL codes on this.
There is no chimney in the building.
No, the heat it is not released in the open air in a commercial kitchen. There are hoods over the stoves and ovens. The fans on the roofs above the hoods are roughly the size of a person. Each one can remove about 250 kW, so you would need 4 in this facility. There is not one.
For a factory, you would need a 1 MW capacity outdoor cooling tower, roughly the size of two pickup trucks. There is no tower.
Again, without the hoods and fans or the cooling tower, the heat would kill the occupants. That is not debatable.
Yes, he did.
You have the evidence from Penon! Look at the numbers. They are impossible. You have the make and model of the meter. It is obviously the wrong kind. The specifications are clear about that. You have Exhibit 5 describing how the meter was operated in a half-empty pipe. You did not get any of this information from me. None of this is "Jed says." It is Rossi says.
Are you being called as an expert witness then?
Shane D - I was trying to let you know that Abd got it right on the DR depo.
RiRi - Oh yeah - our field attracts a lot of loud mouth real estate brokers who find themselves credible.
You got nothin' - thanks for clarifying.
More comedy - less pain.
How rude, seems like I must have hit a nerve here.
If you've got something concrete to contribute RiRi then bring it otherwise your professional troll status is setting up faster than super glue in the high desert.
Jones Day is doing one heck of a good job on behalf of their clients. These judges are no nonsense and there is very little worry about where this case is heading on the Def / CP side of the battlefield. The same cannot be said for Planet Rossi.
Dewey, I'm a retired Real Estate Broker in Southern California and I would love to get paid for posting on forums, but so far I've received no offers. Interested? No one has anything concrete to deliver, you because of ND and biased credibility, and the rest of us simply because it hasn't been supplied to us yet. Along with the rest of the poster's here we must wait and see what the Jury decides, unless it settles out of court.
Display MoreI went through the docs a little more carefully, since our resident expert Sigmoidal is on the road. These are the highlights of what I thought significant:
Rossi threatened with sanction:
"Plaintiffs and Defendants shall meet and confer to determine whether documents
requested by Defendants (specifically, testing data) has not been produced by Plaintiffs.
Plaintiffs' counsel must remind Plaintiff Dr. Rossi that to the extent that Plaintiffs intentionally fail to provide testing data, Dr. Rossi will be sanctioned by the Court."
Rossi and his internet aliases:
"Such responses shall include all screen names or aliases Plaintiff Rossi uses to post information on the lnternet. To the extent Plaintiffs shall serve their supplemental interrogatory answers to Defendant, John Plaintiff Rossi does not use screen names or aliases to post information on the lnternet, he must issue a response verifying the same"
Our Dewey again:
"WITH RESPECT to determining whether communications involving Dewey Weaver,
If needed, Defendants shall reply on or by February 24, 2017 Paul M orris, and Deep River Ventures are protected by the attorney-client privilege:
* Defendants must provide the Court with all communications for which
Defendants declare the privilege applies for in cam era review. The Court warns that Defendants and their counsel may be sandioned if the Court determines that ninety-five (95) percent of the documents reflect business discussions and not legal discussions.
WITH RESPECT to Defendants production of documents:
Defendants must produce the final agreement between Defendants and Dewey
Weaver, Paul Morris, and Deep River Ventures."
Deposition Schedule:
-Fabiani to be deposed 28 Feb via video
-IH to depose Boeing Company 28 Feb
-JMP to be deposed 1 March
-Domenican Republic witness set for deposition today (22 Feb)
Doral visit by IH's expert:
"ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that if the defendant’s expert is available after the
conclusion of the deposition in this matter taking place today locally, the site inspection
shall occur today after the conclusion of that local deposition. If the defendant’s expert
is not available to inspect the site today after the conclusion of the local deposition in
this matter, unless the parties agree otherwise, the site inspection shall occur on March 2 at 0900 EST. Note: Dewey says site visit did not take place, so that means it will be on 2 March."
Fabiani's answers and affirmative defenses (doc 148):
Nothing really new here, other than he is now claiming to be a foreign national not living in Florida, therefore IH has no "personal jurisdiction" over him. Also claims that "Plaintiff has failed to adequately allege jurisdictional facts that bring Fabiani under the jurisdiction of the court". Other than that, the rest looks about the same to me...he downplays his role as minor, hired by IH only to help Rossi develop the Ecat. Says IH owes him 1 months salary. Stands by Rossi as to IH never intending to pay.
Doc 150 in whole:
"PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that there will be a hearing before the Honorable Magistrate
Judge John O’Sullivan at C. Clyde Atkins U.S. Courthouse, 301 North Miami Avenue, 5th Floor,
Miami, FL 33128, on Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 3:00 p.m., on (1) Plaintiffs’ and ThirdParty
Defendants’ J.M. Products Inc.’s objections to Defendants’ subpoenas to Bank of America,
N.A., BankUnited, Inc., and TD Bank, N.A.; (2) Plaintiffs’ violation of the Protective Order
entered by this Court on October 14, 2016; and (3) Plaintiff Andrea Rossi’s failure to respond to Industrial Heat and IPH International B.V’s Third Request for Production."
Sounds to me like Weaver and Deep River might be feeling a little warm in the britches here.
