Dewey, maybe you would prefer not to say, but if you were to venture a guess, do you think IH will formally respond to the lawsuit by June 12th, or do you think they will file an extension and we won't here their side of the case in the near future?
Deleo
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I thought Me356 was off to a great start - willing to share every detail openly, no commercial interest in keeping info secret, inviting Bob from MFMP to visit. Now it seems like things have changed. Secrecy is now somehow needed because of safety precautions. How about giving the recipe and instructions to MFMP and no one else.? They know about safety and always take the necessary precautions. I agree that we don't want ME356 to become Rossi Part 2.
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What the heat was used for is very relevant. If anyone here were in the same position as AR and trying to score an $89 million pay-day, they would throw open the doors and boast about how much heat the customer was using for their operations. Why not just do that, and show the investors the heat being put to use and collect your check? There is no justifiable reason for the door to the customer to remain locked and inaccessible to Darden and others. Darden is the CEO of Industrial Heat. Doesn't he have the right to see the heat being put to use in an industrial setting? That's why they are in business. If I were Darden I would have kicked the door down.
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If AR, his attorney, and/or Penon engaged in deliberate fraud with the purpose of conducting a fake test to receive $89MM, then there will likely be criminal fraud charges on multiple counts.
The Florida statutes are below:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0817/0817.html
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Dewey, if I had invested real money in IH I would be truly upset that Darden didn't insist on going into the space where the customer was supposedly located. Darden is the CEO of Industrial Heat. Shouldn't he have the right to see the heat being put to work in the factory space? Anyone can be a Monday Morning Quarterback, but if I were Darden I would have been down at the test site for the first week, and I would have insisted on going into the customer space and talking to them and seeing their plant in action.
If AR refused to allow me to do that then it is game over. Pull the funding, shut the whole thing down and cut all ties until AR lets me through that door. Could AR sue IH at that point for breach? Sure, but his case would only be even weaker than it is today. On top of this Darden takes outside investor money and is quoted 9 months into the test in Fortune Magazine saying that the e-cat looks promising. Um, no it doesn't. If you can't see the customer making use of the heat, then how do you know what you even have? This whole thing should never been allowed to go this far. AR is holding the trump card. He can just get a private meeting with Darden and ask him how he is going to explain this debacle to his investors, and AR will ask for a few more bucks to drop the suit
Finally, for people who still can't come to terms with the fact that the e-cat is a cooked goose, just ask yourself why AR wouldn't want to throw the doors open to the factory to boast about the heat this factory was using. He would have marched Darden and Woodford through there and rejoiced in seeing their faces with all of that heat being put to use. The name of the company is Industrial Heat. Isn't that why they are in business? No answer about the customer doing top secret work, or it not being safe in there will suffice. That is all B.S. Darden runs IH, he can go where he wants. The only lingering question is why he didn't try harder to get through that door.
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From Mats blog:The water heated by the MW plant was circulating in a closed loop
CLOSED CIRCULATING LOOP!ALL WATER IS RETURNED!!!This is why the activities of the customer next door are so relevant. What happened over there in the closed off space during the test may have affected what happened with the e-cat. Utility bills can be pulled from the neighboring space. I don't know how these could be hidden if a court orders them to be retrieved. The power and gas companies have the power usage next door on record.
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AR just wrote this answer on his blog about Darden and the customer:
"Darden and his investors met the Customer in the meeting rom of the offices, that is separated from the production area"So, let's assume that Darden visited AR's test location in Florida at some point during the one year test. And when Darden visited someone presented him or herself as the customer to Darden in a separate meeting room.
Something is wrong with this picture. Why wouldn't Darden go into the production area and ask the workers what they were doing and how much power and heat they were using? Why would Darden accept meeting the customer in a meeting room as full evidence of what the customer was doing at this site? That person could have been an actor and nothing could have been taking place in the production area. Before handing over $89MM, and even just watching over the $11MM that Darden already gave AR, wouldn't he be the least bit curious to open the door to the production area and talk to the people working in there? No answer regarding safety, customer secrecy etc. would suffice as a reason for Darden to not go in there? And who was this person that Darden met in the meeting room? What is their job title? Where do they work? What is that person responsible for making? How much power dothey need for their operation? Where is that person today and what will they testify to in a deposition? The customer in this 1 year test is the answer to all of it. Don't let anything else become too much of a distraction.
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Dewey, this was posted on another site a couple of days ago.
Snobben alan
3 days ago
Tom Darden has visited the Lugano Scientists in Sweden not long ago, and the information he gave them made them very confused and now they don't know what to belive. Tom Darden told them some thing like "there is no production" This is information that i got after a brief talk to Mats Lewan on the phone, I don't know if Darden meant that ther never was any production in the factory ore not? This is of course information that Mats Lewan got from the Swedish scientists. I don't know how much more information Mats Lewan got. But i know that all involved parts feel very unsure right now. I know that for just a couple of months ago the sweds didn't missbelive anything. So very bad information has been deliverd...
1 ReplyMats Lewan
3 days ago
I can confirm what 'Snobben' writes and I also have written evidence (although I would have liked Snobben to check with me first, before spreading this info!). -
I believe that Darden went to Sweden to speak to the Lugano testers to explain to them how they got erroneous results. I read that Mats Lewan has recently spoken to the Swedish testers and they told him that Darden showed evidence of no heat production. I think Darden had to make this trip to line all of his ducks up in a row before filing his response to the suit. AR will point to Lugano as a validation of the e-cat, but Darden will show otherwise. The only question is will Darden get a written retraction from the testers regarding their results. Apparently the Swedes were confident in their results up to a couple of weeks ago, but now based on what Darden showed them they aren't so sure.
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I have been following the e-cat saga with an open mind for sometime now. I started out highly skeptical and then was swayed over to the believer side because of the published 3rd party test results and the investment by Tom Darden and IH. The longer the 1 year test continued the more convinced I became that we might see a positive result. Darden even said that things were looking promising as of last Fall and IH leased additional space and attracted significant investment from Woodford. Things looked good, and an article was posted on e-catworld with my reasons stating so.
But I have finally come to the conclusion that the e-cat doesn't work. Reading the latest thread on Vortex with Jed Rothwell fending off arguments from the members there as to why he thinks it doesn't produce excess heat, it's just too difficult to not end up with the same conclusion. I suggest anyone one the fence to read through that Vortex thread. Does anyone think that Tom Darden wanted to throw $11MM down the drain on an exercise to prove that the e-cat doesn't work? They had more vested interest in Rossi succeeding than anyone.
Rossi is continuing his bold statements about the e-cat x. But what does any of this mean if he is using poor calorimetry? He is conducting his research under the guise of bad measurement. Maybe he knows this maybe he doesn't. He may be a strange combination of someone with delusions of grandeur, and a stubbornness to believe that his sloppy measurement techniques are wrong and leading to bad results.
We may see an energy breakthrough of some kind, but I am certain that it will not come from Rossi, and it very may well may not be in the field of LENR. I want to believe so and I continue to hold out hope. Maybe Brillouin has something, or maybe Mills has something. I will definitely continue to keep tabs on them. But I think it's time to stop believing in the e-cat. Rossi has had enough time to show a conclusive over-unity device, and after years of proclamations, he has failed to do so. It took a big risk by Tom Darden to get to the bottom of this, but we don't need to wait years for a lawsuit to get resolved. The writing is on the wall. In the end, it was the skeptics who were right on this one. I really do commend Mats Lewan for his reporting on all of this. He deserves to find a big story out there that he can put his name on.