Ah, but I DO know.
The answer is... NONE.
Nothing from SGS, nothing from BV, and nothing from UL.
If you know already, why all the crying for Rossi to publish one? Just provide your proof here and we can move on.
Ah, but I DO know.
The answer is... NONE.
Nothing from SGS, nothing from BV, and nothing from UL.
If you know already, why all the crying for Rossi to publish one? Just provide your proof here and we can move on.
The big deal is that Rossi CLAIMS to have valid safety certification when he does not.
I don't know what Rossi has in terms of valid safety certifications and I would venture to guess that you don't either.
IHFB - I don't think you understand. The environmental disaster left behind by Rosis's PetroDragon con in Italy is only partially cleaned up.
I've recently learned that the remaining clean-up number is much larger than 100M euro and that the in the ground pollution represents an ongoing monumental crime against our planet AND humanity. We might need to send someone on an investigative expedition - some pictures would be nice of the incredible damage left in the R'ster's criminal wake.
Dewey, I don't think you understand. The guv guy that hounded Rossi ended up being involved in a multi-billion Euro fraud years after the Rossi afair. Goes to show what kind of people were in play on this scheme. The corruption runs deep and is a way of life (and literally a means of multi-generational support) for those who latch on and suck.
I highly doubt that.
Cecilia SP did not mention the never described, but claimed by Dott. Rossi, electric/electronic devices he invented/developped and not the new materials he has invented/developped for the SK heat exchanger...
In my business, voltages (12V up to 800V) and data distribution systems (analog and digital sensor data and signals for actuators) in automotive business, every change related to new invented materials (physical prototypes, test cases ...etc...) has to go to rigorous, long term tests and than has to be certified by authorities. THAN you got that in a stock car. A product for customers.
But I do not do NUCULAR energy business ... that seems to be much easier, according to Dott. Rossi or the SP Cecilia...
This attitude is why we can't have nice things. Safety, yes. But unnecessary hyper-focus on safety as a means to slow adoption of LENR? Get lost in my book.
for a $100M euro toxic clean-up bill that still needs funding?
Right into the pockets of the garbage collector mob?
As far as I know, no-one is on his payroll, or that would have been publicl registered somewhere (but is not), as Zorud has mentioned a few times...
As a private U.S.-based company, there would be no public register about who is on Leonardo's payroll. Private companies in the U.S. need not share any information with the public.
Think about that as well. Who in their honest right mind initiates a US Federal lawsuit 1 day after a payment date?
Anyone who might think the other party had no intentions of paying?
Edit: Just saw Alan's replies. Guess the answer was self-evident.
But no one can hold you to anything until you put it in writing, in a message to the broker (or the owner acting as his own broker).
For real estate, yes, because of the statute of frauds. But not so for pretty much everything else. An oral offer and acceptance are just as binding as those in writing, for example. If you make an offer, and someone accepts it, you're pretty much bound, even if done on a blog.
Display MoreIHFB,
We shall see if Rossi rewards his supporters with something he has been lacking for years...loyalty. He owes a great deal to those like myself during his early years, and you in his latter, who have covered for his many questionable actions. Without, it is doubtful he would have enough public attention to keep up whatever it is he is up to.
Here, another ardent supporter (Lewan) comments on the recent Huw Price article. A quick reminder; we are trying to get Mats to participate here, so go easy on him:
"Thanks Huw for an excellent overview and an important discussion, honouring the 30th anniversary of Fleischmann and Pons' presentation in 1989.
As for ongoing efforts and the bets you got involved in, I agree with your view on Godes' Brillouin Energy, and also on your observation that Andrea Rossi has not yet provided convincing and undisputed evidence for the validity of his E-Cat technology.
However, I don't agree in your description of evidence for Rossi being dishonest, having followed the lawsuit between him and his former licensee IH, which in turn never provided any convincing evidence for the E-Cat plant of 1MW not being effective.
And I find it interesting to note his recent commercial offering of energy sale from his E-Cat SK to industrial customers in the US, Sweden, and Japan, allegedly not involving any economic risk for the customers who essentially only pay for the energy delivered at least at 20 percent below market price, thus making it essentially impossible for Rossi to use fake technology without losing economically.
As I note in my blogpost My take on the E-Cat SK presentation—Rossi now takes orders, we cannot know anything for sure until one or a few of his customers step out and talk publicly. Personally, however, from what I have observed and from what I have learned through testimonials from people working with Rossi, I find the fraud hypothesis very hard to make credible.
Time will tell."
I have great respect for Mats. He comes from a conventional scientific reporting background, and has put himself out there like few others. Hopefully he will chime in here in the future, but he already has a voice that is heard far and wide.
You have more faith in the man than I do. Even you must agree it is not an unreasonable position to disbelieve whatever he says? That is not to say he does not have a little something. I keep reading testimonials supporting that. Not many, but some, and those are very passionate.
Nearly every one of Rossi's actions over the years can be explained and placed into a certain context that makes sense, including the deceptions. For whatever reason, I (and a few others) can clearly see it, what likely motivates his actions, and what has brought us to the present situation today. If it turns out that Rossi has that little something as you and I suspect, I (and a few others) have provided the reasons for his actions, nearly every one. There will be no excuse for anyone who has followed along on this forum to cry that none of it made sense along the way.
Could be Rossi had, or has a little something, but if so, he will take it to his grave.
I don't think he would (take it to his grave). He has asserted several times that the tech is in good hands in the event of his demise. Sure, you can disbelieve that and whatever else, but I think if he has what he says he has, he would want to go down in history as being the discoverer. It might actually be in better hands anyway if anything were to happen to him.
Display MoreMr. Stremmenos has nicely written to Andrea, but it seems he has forgotten how to spell his first name.
- Cristos Stremmenos March 4, 2019 at 2:31 AM
Dear Andrea,
about
http://www.e-catworld.com/2019…e-e-cat-via-photovoltaics
I want to congratulate with your intuition: I watched very attentively
and read very attentively
http://www.researchgate.net/pu…nge_particle_interactions
I understood that, being the Ballerina’s T much lower that the T of the sun, commercial P.V. cells cannot work, because they are sensible to solar spectrum that is filtered by ozone, therefore with UV strongly reduced. An invention of specific cells was necessary!
I wish you the continuation of your good work,
Cristos Stremmenos
- Andrea Rossi March 4, 2019 at 4:20 AM
Prof Cristos Stremmenos:
What a pleasure to here from you!
Thank you for your insight and for your kind attention to our work,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rossi probably getting trolled, very likely by someone that frequents this forum. Learn a few Rossi-isms, and troll away. Has been going on for years. You all assume it is Rossi trolling himself. Prove me otherwise.
I just watched this interesting show on Netflix today about the Flat Earthers. What was interesting was that some of these people obviously have scientific minds, and were designing scientific experiments. For example they obtained a $30000 gyroscope to prove the earth was not rotating, but their results showed it was, so they blamed themselves for screwing up the experiment somehow. Then these other people shined a laser down a canal for miles and measured the height, but once again rejected their own results. The psychology is such that sometimes people want to believe something so much, they can't possibly be convinced they are wrong. Not that this has anything to do with Rossi or A.A. or Bevmo or anything. It is a good show, check it out.
LENR-deniers are actually more aligned mentally with flat-earthers--the ultimate skeptics.
Display MoreMore of the cultist BS...
Yes, we on this obscure forum are keeping the eCat from being the invention of the century that will save the world from green house gases.
It reality, IF Rossi had a working eCat, only HE Is to blame. It would be simple and quite easy to start the "REAL" commercialization of such a world changing technology. Yet what do we see? One of the most outlandish pieces of BS video ever!
And YET, the "unbiased one" points the finger to the "unblievers"! Why does not IHFANBOY hold Rossi accountable? Rossi lies, misdirects and continues to deceive his loyal followers with implausible and unrealistic excuses. AND HAS DONE SO for 11 YEARS! Yet, "the unbiased one" never holds his idol accountable. Never calls for Rossi to stop the dog and pony shows and do something actually demonstrable. IHFB will spend pages arguing missing window panes (even though the heat exchanger was incapable of dispelling the heat), he will forget that Rossi originally said the roof vent, then an industrial process and then finally an imaginary heat exchanger. Yet the "unbiased one" never calls out Rossi on his lies or misdirections. (Yet his multiple accusations of IH / Murrya being a dastardly deceiver)
And I could go on..... but why? Unlike AA, Sam12 and a few others...who openly admit they are die hard supporters (or possibly delusional in AA's case) IHFB is simply not honest. His posts shout out his bias even though he claims not to be! It is clear he is capable of understanding the facts, but simply chooses not to
Always defending Rossi while passing the blame to others is the crutch of his hypocrisy. Unbiased my @$$. He does not hold Rossi to one iota of the standard he keeps pointing to others with!
Hi Bob, hope you have a nice day.
He has been claiming those certificates for years. Now the one-time use CE certifications can just be ported over to the USA because his plasma device resembles his .....1MW plant or a Six Pack?
It's the same mentality as those who oppose at every step widespread use of autonomous vehicle technology. They do so in the name of safety. In reality, they are responsible for the loss of thousands of lives and they have blood on their hands.
Display MoreFor discussion:
The BV and SGS certificates shown on e-cat.com both invoke Directive 2006/42/EC, meaning that the tested equipment conforms to the requirements relevant to a CE mark for the specific piece of equipment tested. Since these were field tests, the certificate only applies to the exact piece of equipment tested, made at the location of the test, and had the Mark (CE) applied by the tester at the site. No ability or license to apply the Mark to any other equipment was allowed. Since these are CE standard certifications, their applicability to the USA is null. The certification is not transferable (without explict permission) to anything other than the tested piece of equipment.
The SGS certificate applies only to the 1 MW Plant as it appeared during the SGS test in 2012.
The BV certificate applies only to the unfinished 6-pack, with no major changes affecting the tested specifications, as it appeared in 2013.
These apply not whatsover to the QX, SK, Doral Plant, Lugano HT, or anything else other than the as-tested piece of machinery. The certifications are not transferable from company to company (ie: from EFA to Leonardo) without explicit permission from the certifying company.
https://ecat.com/ecat-technology/ecat-certificate
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/lega…TXT/?uri=CELEX:32006L0042
https://www.sgsgroup.us.com/-/…policy-handbooken17v3.pdf
Active certificates from SGS can be searched here: https://www.sgs.com/en/certifi…ertified-client-directory
Bureau Veritas certificates can be searched here: http://www.lcie.com/en/914-onl…s/certified-products.html
The very predictable next line of attack. If you can't perceive the world as it is and where it is rapidly going, then please just get out of the way. I'll do everything in my power to ensure that LENR doesn't get bogged down in red tape and stupidities. Those who stand in the way of progress and relish the status quo sometimes make me ill. We can do better as a species.
In response to Gerard McEk's question, Rossi attempts to leave open the possibility that he is sleeping 3 hours or less per night. He implies that this is because of the pressure of work. His numerous blog postings, however, tell a different story. Since Feb 8, when he first shifted to the European time zone pattern, his posting activity is quiescent for about 7 hours every night ... just as always.
Right, because it is impossible that he is doing other things like reading, eating, or getting ready for bed during those times. The only logical explanation is that he is sleeping for the entire 7 hours.
Alan - are you implying that Rossi's self-induced radiation safety matters should be considered as a "business dispute"?
Interestingly, the local authorities don't seem to think that a $12M fraud is a big deal in Southern FL either - another element of Rossi's genius.
Or maybe he just likes the sun. Many folks his age like the sun.
Display MoreIs Rossi speaking to us, or the Florida Dept of Radiation?
- Andrea Rossi February 25, 2019 at 2:32 PM
Fedir Mykhaylov:
Thank you for your insight.
We never detected ionizing radiations emitted by the Ecat. All our Ecats are supplied with microSievert/h detectors that would detect any ionizing radiation: if you go to
you can see the video that shows the Ecat SK with on the top, beside the remote control hub, the radiations detector.
About our process, I can just forward you to
http://www.researchgate.net/pu…nge_particle_interactions
The spectrum of the radiations is well known, ionizing radiation spectrum is well known and we use detectors that are well known and certified to detect any ionizing radiation. Obviously, since we deal with LENR, we have the ballerina duly shielded ( but it is just pretending: the real reason is that I put on her a chastity belt because I am jealous ).
Obviously I cannot enter into discussions about the process and I am not going to disclose confidential issues.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
He's probably speaking to Mr. Fred Z., who likely contacted the Florida Dept of Radiation (aaagggaaaiiiinn), who are probably getting a little perturbed right about now with his absurd persistence, and who are probably getting tired of making visits to Rossi's premises, only to find that nothing is amiss.