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Why?? When they can make 10 billions with vaccines others did develop!!

Companies in wild live capitalism are not here to serve you or the humanity. They serve the top 5 investors + top 5 managers

for those who understand French:

This is hilarious. Published 15 years ago.

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Curbina, can you give a reference to the "short communication from Takahashi"?

If you exhaustively examine the expected nuclear interactions with every known stable isotope, according to various theories, you will find that copious radioactive products are predicted. I would cite Takahashi's TSC model, the Widom Larsen heavy electron model, Meulenberg's DDL model, Fisher's Poly-neutron model, Bazhutov's Erzion model etc. which all fail in this way. If there were only one reason for the failure, it would be that the agent used to provoke nuclear reactions is too energetic. It's like trying to crack a nut with a sledge hammer. One only has to think of simple neutron activation analysis to know that most neutron captures produce residual radioactivity. We need to dispense with the idea that any kind of "fusion" is occurring.

If anyone would like me to back up by assertions with a detailed analysis of any of the above failed models, ask me privately.

Agreed, great post. Most models have this flaw. One reason why I personnaly like the path "H -> Rydberg H -> UDH -> UDH spallation" with the by-products of the reaction falling exactly in the Bethe-Bloch range of how radiation interacts with matter. In that model, fusion still occurs but only as secondary/tertiary reactions (UDD -> He4, by-product muon -> muon catalyzed fusion).

Quote from Dr Richard

So the magnetic fields result from coordinated electron spin alignment (which is quite similar to Wyttenbach and Holmlid's models of nuclear fusion. The latter uses YAG (IR) or 495nm lasers to stimulate proton breakdown into Kaons etc from ultra dense D or H). Does your work have any similar underlying principles?

The link with Holmlid's work is more about the fact that carbon is known to be an excellent generator of Rydberg Matter of hydrogen. Holmlid published several articles in 1998-2002 on this subject. He showed that H atoms adsorbed on surfaces of carbon desorb thermally directly into Rydberg states.

Here, the experimental conditions using carbon nanotubes in a low pressure environment seem excellent to generate UDH. Then, as you rightly pointed out, the observed radiations can directly be explained by the spallation of UDH into relativistic kaons.

JedRothwell I recommend to read the literature on the efficacy and safety of vaccines, especially on how host factors strongly influence vaccine efficacy and how the T-cells which were previously viewed as the hallmark of the adaptive immune system are now viewed as critical in the regulation of the innate immune system. And please do not listen naively to what the mainstream says about vaccination, in the same way you advocate lenr-canr to have an informed opinion on LENR. You can start with the studies mentioned in this article (note: VitD is here just taken as an example):

https://illuminateketaminecent…fective-than-flu-vaccine/

A vaccine typically works if the host has a well working responsive immune system. Therefore priority should be given to the latter, less to the former, or at least vaccination should go with the promotion of a healthy immune system (e.g. test for markers of the immune system, such as VitD, Zn, Se, Mg together with a CBC, provide recommendations to support the immune system, and then only vaccinate the person). I would go even further to vaccinate the person only as a last resort because more and more evidence exists that if the host has a well working responsive system, then the utility of vaccination itself becomes questionable.

Quote from Wyttenbach

The illness has three natural stages.

1) Nasal infection

2) Upper lung

3) Full lung/ body with forming out a lot of fluids.

In children it seems to stop latest at 2). So they produce not much aerosols.

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Exactly. Here we do a lot of antigen tests in blood and they don't correlate well with PCR tests on nasopharyngeal tests. In asymptomatic people a positive PCR test does not necessarily lead to a positive antigen test in blood despite excellent sensitivity (<1 pg/ml LOQ) of the antigen test. In many subjects the virus does not come into the circulation, cannot replicate itself and as such asymptomatic people are way less contagious. This includes not only children but also aged people who have low levels of endothelial nflammation (with VitD a big player to minimize endothelial inflammation).

A PCR test has very low value, it just says whether someone has been exposed to the virus. It does not say anything about infection and still less about contagiosity. Only an antigen test in blood, and still better in saliva, does provide information on contagiosity.

Here in Switzerland we see the first hints of a herd immunity. We currently have less cases of SARS-COV-2 than of rhino, influenza, etc... viruses.

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Wyttenbach, I havent researched this aspect of the disease (vascular) but it seems novel....does it not? Are there any papers you recommend to understand mechanisms?

https://www.thelancet.com/jour…-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext

Published in April by a group from the University of Zurich. Already a classic cited >600 times.

https://www.jcmnh.org/effectiv…receptor-ace2-expression/

Not sure this article has already been published here. If the case apologies. Otherwise, a must read!

Quote from JedRothwell

It is unclear in the U.S., and estimates vary widely. The number of undetected cases is estimated to range from 3 to 10 times the number officially recorded cases. I can't tell at all which is right. However, in China, Japan and Korea they have now done extensive random sample antibody tests, so they know approximately how many cases they missed. I think it is only around 2 times the cases they caught. The death rate for cases they know about in Japan is 5%. That is, 977 deaths divided by 18,934 cases. There have been few cases in recent weeks and most patients are recovered, so those are the final numbers. (For the first wave, anyway; there may be a second wave.) Assuming they only caught half the cases, the fatality rate was around ~2%. That number keeps coming up, so I think that's it. That is for Asian societies and Italy with many elderly people. It may apply to the U.S. because we have many obese people, who are as much at risk as normal-weight people in their 60s.

The Koreans tested extensively at the height of their epidemic. They later found few hidden cases with antibody tests. Their final numbers are 282 deaths divided by 12,904 cases = 2% case mortality. Claims that it is only 1% in Korea are wrong, I think. It might be ~1% now because there are so few cases they can effectively protect elderly people, so only feckless young people are getting sick. 30 to 50 per day. There are a few deaths per week.

https://www.worldometers.info/…irus/country/south-korea/

In Japan, I think most patients are feckless middle aged nitwits who go to late night bars. The numbers are way up, to near 200. They say they will test all bars and karaoke joints. They better do it quickly!

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JedRothwell again and again, you base your numbers on the RT-PCR and serological tests whereas it is now proven that the latter miss most cases exposed to the virus. Two independent studies (wonderful studies by the way) both show that the number of people who are exposed to the virus and do not develop any specific anti-SARS-COV-2 antibodies are about 4 times more than those who do:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.21.108308v1

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.29.174888v1

And note this number is not about the number of undetected cases that you mention because no RT-PCR or serological test was carried out, it is just that these tests miss most cases because they cannot capture the complexity of how the human body stops the virus. Furthermore, there are still other means to stop the virus than those assessed in these two studies and direct neutralization tests carried out in my lab suggest that this factor of 4-5 may actually be underestimated. So no: Korea and China don't know how many cases they missed. Nobody knows exactly. What is known is that the official RT-PCR and serological numbers grossly underestimate the percentage of people exposed to the virus. Something I already alluded to in March but without any strong evidence at that time.

Wyttenbach and stefan are right on this one: the exposure and immunity are significantly higher than what is suggested by the numbers that you provided. Which is good news from a public health perspective.

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Any idea what that investigation was?

Quote from Alan Smith

I suspect that this irefers to the replication efforts they have been involved with, but not sure. I emailed Jacques for a clarification but nothing heard yet.

The French word "enquête" has been badly translated in "investigation" while here it means "poll" or "survey". To know when and where the conference should happen.

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Navid - I am so sorry. I posted earlier detailing why you are very wrong about the CDC planning document. It was quite long. I think I never submitted it!

OK - so your errors are as follows:

(1) You say CDC take an average of stratified age-group figures. WRONG. The Scenario 5 figures would average to 0.66% were that true, they give 0.4% - there are quantisation errors but they cannot be that big. You accuse CDC of incompetence, I'd say not checking what they actually did, and assuming it is something (wrong) that the figure show it could not be, is wrong. See (2) below to see what CDC acttually did and why it is correct.

(2) You say that correct average is a population-weighted average. WRONG. Look at the legend in the table. This is SCFR "Symptomatic case fatality ratio". That is not the same as IFR, and you need to weight the symptomatic cases by how many symptomatic cases in each stratified by age bin have occurred. Now, as we know, symptomatic cases are more likely for older bins, hence this explains why your population average is completely wrong. The CDC average is correct, it is a symptomatic case number weighted average

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THHuxleynew your eyes see what they want to see. The average would be 0.52%, not 0.66% as you state. Your eyes missed a zero in the first value of 0.0005.

Navid is right in the fact that the "overall" value of 0.004 doesn't properly match the age distribution. Their calculation also proves that the age distribution of symptomatic cases does not match the age distribution of the whole population.

Number of deaths from Jan 1st to today May 15 worldwide, according to Worldmeter, with WHO, Unicef, CDC as sources:

- total deaths: 21'789'632

- communicable diseases: 4'809'252

- coronavirus: 303'407 (1.3 % of total, 6.3% of communicable)

- seasonal flu: 180'350

- HIV/AIDS: 622'781

- cancer: 3'042'645

- malaria: 363'389

- deaths of children under 5y: 2'815'940

- deaths caused by smoking: 1'852'002

- deaths caused by alcohol: 926'589

- suicides: 397'277

- road traffic: 500'104

If 300k is a high toll and requires a full shutdown, following this logic, should we ban cigarettes, alcohol, close all the roads and...?

Quote from Andras

It is a very good point that ultra-dense hydrogen can't have lower energy state than ground state hydrogen, otherwise it would become the new ground state.

However: if a metastable state catalyzes nuclear reactions (e.g. fusion), then the energy comes from the nucleus and not from the electron arrangement.

The evidence that Dark Matter is made of hydrogen at its ground state has increased these last 2 years from so-called 21-centimeter cosmology, see here for example:

https://www.intechopen.com/onl…in-its-lower-ground-state

Interestingly, UDH as main component of DM does still better fulfill current observational constraints on DM, especially the one on cosmic dawn cosmic microwave background (CMB) decoupling, see e.g. this excellent study

https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.06698v1

Quote from Andras

It is a very good point that ultra-dense hydrogen can't have lower energy state than ground state hydrogen, otherwise it would become the new ground state.

However: if a metastable state catalyzes nuclear reactions (e.g. fusion), then the energy comes from the nucleus and not from the electron arrangement.

The evidence that Dark Matter is made of hydrogen at its ground state has increased these last 2 years from so-called 21-centimeter cosmology, see here for example:

https://www.intechopen.com/onl…in-its-lower-ground-state

Interestingly, UDH as main component of DM does still better fulfill current observational constraints on DM, especially the one on cosmic dawn cosmic microwave background (CMB) decoupling, see e.g. this excellent study

https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.06698v1

In a nutshell, rather than using a styrene catalyst such as a K doped iron oxide with excited atomic H/D created at its surface somewhat indirectly, Lenr-Cars is using a more direct way through the desorption of atomic H/D from the bulk of a metal or metal oxide into a low pressure cavity. The desorption energy is increased either by a rapid increase of temperature in a dry cell or by electrolytic means in a wet cell. The latter step is required because the natural desorption of H/D from all metal hydrides/deuterides is never energetic enough to lead to excited enough atoms of H/D to form Rydberg matter. This method makes the link between most LENR/CF work (F&P, Storms, Mizuno, etc ...) and the seminal work of Holmlid.

Quote from JedRothwell

If there were no antibodies, the patient would be dead. He or she would not have recovered. The body can only rid itself of a virus with an antibody response.

Nonsense. Have you ever heard of the innate immune system that is an antigen-independent defense mechanism with no immunological memory? Of Pattern Recognition Receptors (PPRs) to detect and respond rapidly to a virus infection (in minutes not days)?

In the case of coronaviruses, type 1 interferons provide an early control of viral replication with many cells (macrophage, natural killers, dendritic cells, etc...) eradicating the virus without the need of an antigen-specific response.

In summary, no the body doesn't necessarily need to develop specific anti-SARS-COV-2 antibodies to get rid of a new virus. Many do not. Actually more and more evidence suggest that most asymptomatic people did not though the exact proportion remains unknown because of the lack of widespread testing.

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No. That's completely wrong. Deaths in children are comparatively rare but they are especially tragic and they most emphatically do occur. And infected children bring the virus back home to infect parents and grandparents.

You seem to be very sure of you. Please provide a single study that shows that the chain of infection between children and adults, and not the other way around, is important. After I will do the opposite and provide multiple articles that show that it is NOT the case.

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Sweden is nuts and the rising curve of cases proves it.

Most deaths in Sweden happened in care homes from adult to adult transmission. Mark U is right that transmission from children to adults is limited. And look at Taiwan: best management of Covid-19 of all countries with very low level of cases and deaths with, guess what, all schools that remained open even during the peak of the pandemic.

We have found that some exposed to the virus do not develop any antibodies. A publication is on the way. These persons are asymptomatic or weakly symptomatic. Many children in this group. Probably the innate immune system that provides a natural barrier against the virus. We don't know how many though. And don't know yet how to estimate this number, this is complex. Any idea? What is sure is that this group has a non-negligible size and that in turn the IFR is lower than most believe.

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Should Zinc Be Added To Treatment Protocols For Covid-19 Patients?

220 mg Zinc adjunct with HCQ protocol giving good results

We have just finished the analysis of a large panel of minerals in patients with COVID-19 and found that the serum levels of Zn were crazy low. Not only all patients were deficient but also the levels were up to several times less than the levels measured in a control group. Levels of Fe, Se and Cu were also found to be different. All other minerals (Na, K, Ca, Mg, I...) had similar levels in both groups.

There is plenty of things that we still do not understand with this virus.

Quote from andrea.s

This has been a debate here in Italy, mostly out of envy for the low mortality in Germany where we all thought initially that Germany was covering up deaths or discounting comorbidities. No way. Germany simply used well its time advantage and started testing intensively, roughly at the same rate as Italy and the same time as Italy (both have a 1.5% population tested now) but the difference is that it was late for us and early for them. They could identify and isolate people positive without symptoms, focusing at first on people who had traveled to China and Northern Italy, and traced their contacts to propagate the testing.

It is more complicated than that. Here in Switzerland we are testing at a higher frequency than Germany, we started high frequency testing in late January already, in all regions of Switzerland, our tracing system involved more trained people per capita than e.g. South Korea, and see what happened, the wave that came at the end of February was too big to be contained by just testing and tracing, and interestingly enough, the Italian speaking region of Switzerland is now showing death statistics similar to the North of Italy, the German speaking region of Switzerland similar to Germany and the French speaking similar to France. All of this with the same testing and healthcare system. This makes me think that the cultural aspects should not be underestimated, in particular the structure of the social relations such as how the elderly is mixing with the active population.

Quote from Roseland67

Only “IF” they are no longer infectious.

I don’t think anyone anywhere knows this yet.

Once your body is infected, fights off the infection and produces antibodies:

1. Can you be reinfected? Don’t know

2. Can you pass on the infection? Don’t know

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Sure we already know. The Chinese CDC is discharging from confinement/quarantine all subjects who tested positive to immunoglobulin IgG, this from February already. With success.