Posts by cam

    Mary Yugo

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    It will be highly amusing to watch how Rossi tries ineffectually to weasel himself out of this.


    All this gigantic fuss, when it would have been resolving considering that a nuclear reaction is unreal in the conditions described in Rossi's patent and in Focardi's papers. Just what I wrote for CICAP. From the experimental point of view, the mere absence of gammas would have been enough to reject Focardi/Rossi's claims.

    Mary Yugo

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    It will be highly amusing to watch how Rossi tries ineffectually to weasel himself out of this.


    All this gigantic fuss, when it would have been resolving considering that a nuclear reaction is unreal in the conditions described in Rossi's patent and in Focardi's papers. Just what I wrote for CICAP. From the experimental point of view, the mere absence of gammas would have been enough to reject Focardi/Rossi's claims.

    Alan Smith

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    For a start, you are not required to protect the honour of Italy here.


    This site is frequented by a few "believers" in cold fusion, so it is the most suitable site where to protect the honour of Italian nuclear science. One must fight in partibus infidelium to be successful.

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    but they don't and won't publish because they do not want to be mocked by the press


    ... and, above all, by their colleagues. I agree with you, the Italian press mocks cold fusion. This helps in hindering a public funding of cold fusion. The comedy is ended. Not by chance Rossi works in America. In Italy he would not have audience.

    Alan Smith

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    More replications (good or bad) are what we need.


    Again? After so many years we only need to close this ridiculous affair which only brings discredit to Italian nuclear science. It's easy for you to forget that Piantelli, Focardi, Levi, Rossi, Celani are Italians. Bologna does not represent Italian universities where nobody has ever taken cold fusion seriously.

    JedRothwell

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    Assuming their conclusions were wrong, and there was no heat, that kind of sloppiness is probably one of the reasons they were wrong.


    It is only a matter of sloppiness, what else. Bologna-baloney.
    Sean P. Burns, expert of the USPTO:
    The Levi paper illustrates poor laboratory practice and, by the author's own admission, bald speculation.
    ...
    Levi's analysis indicates a total lack of understanding regarding nuclear fusion.

    ascoli65


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    In conclusion, Levi had by far all the scientific knowledge to understand the simple flow calorimetry used in the demo and all the required suspiciousness and skills to detect any possible artifact or trick. It's absolutely impossible that Rossi could have fooled him.


    If Levi had had the scientific knowledge to evaluate the E-Cat he wouldn't have reported that the reactor works. He was fooled not by Rossi or Focardi, rather by his cultural inadequacy.

    axil

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    I provided the list of reactions to you, did you look at it?


    You only provided me with this list of reactions made at Super-Kamiokande:
    http://www-sk.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.…publications/index-e.html
    I can't find anything else.
    I hope you do not consider weak reactions useful in this context, where people are looking for useful energy. At Super-Kamokande a nuclear event/day is a great success.
    In my opinion we should stay linked at the thread, which is cold fusion. Super-Kamiokande has nothing to do with us.
    Are you interested in a particular cold reaction? Write it down and I'll give you all the information I can get from BNL database. Are you American? BNL is American, I hope you rely on it.

    axil

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    This decision to exclude is based on the assumption that these particles and field cannot be produced in large enough volumes that would make these associated reactions apparent in experimentation.


    While we are waiting for experimentation on weak force, let me ask you: do you believe that actually cold fusion reactions exist, but they are all rejected by all databases?

    alan smith

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    The blind leading the blind, ever deeper into the abyss.


    Dramatic.
    You are hinting at IAEA, BNL and many others, very demanding objectives:
    Japan Charged Particle Nuclear Reaction Data Group, Hokkaido University, Sapporo, Japan
    Center of Nuclear Physics Data, Russian Federal Nuclear Center (VNIIEF), Sarov, Russia
    Nuclear Data Centre, Obninsk, Russia
    China Nuclear Data Center, Beijing, China
    OECD/NEA Nuclear Data Bank, Issy Les-Moulineaux, France
    Nowhere is cold fusion mentioned. You have to trust JR, a specialist in Japanese literature.
    In fact you are alone.

    Axil

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    This leads to the suspicion that the GANS database is not a depository of knowledge but an engineering aid to the nuclear engineering community.


    Exfor collects all nuclear reactions, obviously not those run by the weak force. Superkamiokande is not an accelerator, it is something like a big detector of weak events. The detector must be big, as the cross section of weak reactions is very low.
    nuclear engineering community. Nuclear science community in fact. Engineers are not interested in nuclear reactions, as they do not know them. Engineers are only interested in cold fusion (Violante and Hagelstein are engineers). Radiochimica Acta and Journal of Radioanalytical and Nuclear Chemistry are not engineering reviews. You only need to browse the titles of the journals.
    Exfor means "Experimental Nuclear Reaction Data". All nuclear reactions are archived there, even those achieved in China, South Korea or Kazakistan. Exfor is international. IAEA is international.
    Do you think that cold fusion is hindered by an international plot?

    JedRothwell

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    Your method of doing science resembles medieval academics, or a fundamentalist religion.


    You:
    To put it another way, if this is true, I guess it is Game Over and We Won. I have difficulty taking that possibility seriously. It could happen though. There is certainly no physical reason why a 16 kW heater cannot be made.
    You are always prone to consider true everything extraordinary you read about cold fusion.
    You have blindly relied on academicians from Bologna or Sweden; I by far prefer recognized databases, where I can always look for excitation functions, whenever I will.
    You read about cold fusion; I write about cold fusionists.
    You have been bitterly deceived by Focardi/Rossi but continue to rely on cold fusion: wasn't that enough for your pride?

    JedRothwell

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    You are making a fool of yourself by disputing a matter of fact that anyone can confirm by looking up journals and papers in a university library.


    IAEA and BNL databases are the only reference I rely on, outside the treatises. I am aware that, say, Iwamura has published on JJAP and that the JJAP can be found in a university library, but none of Iwamura's works comes out when I query a database. I think that we must be very strict when we ourselves have not the time or the competence for a review. There are lots of Ni-H nuclear reactions archived, but none is cold. Being strict saves us from being fooled.

    Alan Smith


    http://www.riken.jp/~/media/ri…/ral/ral2010-report-e.pdf


    3.3. Muon Catalysed Fusion
    The committee reiterates that the next step in this programme will involve challenging technological developments and would require considerable resources and theoretical support, none of which are foreseen at the moment.



    Nuclear transmutation by muon beam
    The Committee has severe concerns on the practicality of the method and recommends that this activity should not continue.


    As I am interested in muon assisted cold fusion, I will continue digging the Riken-Ral Muon Facility. I am looking for real papers, not for news about MACF. Finding peer reviewed papers is not so easy. Perhaps Axil is so kind to help us.

    JedRothwell

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    If you want information on cold fusion, I suggest you go to a university library.


    I appreciate that the acronyms LENR and CANR are more and more substituted by the historical "cold fusion".
    Cold fusion does not belong to GANS as well perpetual motion doesn't belong to Technical Physics. So you can't find papers on cold fusion in university libraries. You can only find them in the ICCF or in your library.

    axil

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    I told you a dozen times that muons are causative in LENR.


    Let us have some more information, please. I can't find experimental muon assisted reactions in the database.


    V. H. Hughes, C. S. Wu (Eds.), Muon Physics, Vol. I11 Chemistry and Solids, Academic Press, New
    York, 1975


    H. J. Ache (Ed.), Positronium and Muonium Chemistry, Adv. Chem. Ser. 175, American Chemical
    Society, Washington, DC, 1979


    P. W. Percival, Muonium Chemistry, Radiochim. Acta 26, 1 (1979)


    Papers are not free, sorry.

    JedRothwell

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    I know many Italian scientists in other universities and in the ENEA working on cold fusion.


    Vittorio Violante, yes. He has never manufactured a cold fusion reactor, so he is promptly dropped out. Perhaps Antonella De Ninno and Francesco Scaramuzzi are still cold fusionists, but after 27 years it is difficult to think they have a cf reactor to show us.
    As far as I know, Italian Universities do not practice cold fusion at present. Perhaps American or Japanese Universities do.

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    Well I don't recall who I talked to, but it wasn't Levi. I am sure it wasn't Rossi either. Why does it matter? Who gives a damn?


    Sorry, I don't believe you. It is only a matter of five years ago, and in America you are considered an alert historian of cold fusion. An alert historian should have good memory.
    Ascoli and I give a damn.