Mary Yugo
QuoteIt will be highly amusing to watch how Rossi tries ineffectually to weasel himself out of this.
All this gigantic fuss, when it would have been resolving considering that a nuclear reaction is unreal in the conditions described in Rossi's patent and in Focardi's papers. Just what I wrote for CICAP. From the experimental point of view, the mere absence of gammas would have been enough to reject Focardi/Rossi's claims.
Mary Yugo
QuoteIt will be highly amusing to watch how Rossi tries ineffectually to weasel himself out of this.
All this gigantic fuss, when it would have been resolving considering that a nuclear reaction is unreal in the conditions described in Rossi's patent and in Focardi's papers. Just what I wrote for CICAP. From the experimental point of view, the mere absence of gammas would have been enough to reject Focardi/Rossi's claims.
Alan Smith
QuoteFor a start, you are not required to protect the honour of Italy here.
This site is frequented by a few "believers" in cold fusion, so it is the most suitable site where to protect the honour of Italian nuclear science. One must fight in partibus infidelium to be successful.
Quotebut they don't and won't publish because they do not want to be mocked by the press
... and, above all, by their colleagues. I agree with you, the Italian press mocks cold fusion. This helps in hindering a public funding of cold fusion. The comedy is ended. Not by chance Rossi works in America. In Italy he would not have audience.
Alan Smith
QuoteMore replications (good or bad) are what we need.
Again? After so many years we only need to close this ridiculous affair which only brings discredit to Italian nuclear science. It's easy for you to forget that Piantelli, Focardi, Levi, Rossi, Celani are Italians. Bologna does not represent Italian universities where nobody has ever taken cold fusion seriously.
Ascoli65
QuoteSo, let me suggest you not to judge the other people on something on which you don't have a sufficient knowledge.
The result of their expertise was "yes, E-Cat works"; you needn't be an expert in Technical Physics to infer that their expertise was sloppy.
We must judge the tree by its fruits.
@Mary Yugo
QuotePost removed - contains merely insults. Alan.
Here you can read my post, which doesn't contain insults at all.
JedRothwell
QuoteAssuming their conclusions were wrong, and there was no heat, that kind of sloppiness is probably one of the reasons they were wrong.
It is only a matter of sloppiness, what else. Bologna-baloney.
Sean P. Burns, expert of the USPTO:
The Levi paper illustrates poor laboratory practice and, by the author's own admission, bald speculation.
...
Levi's analysis indicates a total lack of understanding regarding nuclear fusion.
Post removed - contains unproven allegations. Alan.
Alan Smith
QuoteWhat is a 'professionist?' Is it like a 'percussionist'?
Sorry, professional
Post removed - contains merely insults. Alan.
Alan Smith
QuoteProfessor Levi
Doctor, not professor. He is still "Ricercatore".
Mary Yugo
QuoteI don't know what "cultural inadequacy" means. Please explain.
I mean that Levi wasn't competent in Technical Physics nor in Nuclear Science. If he had been, he would have immediately recognized that the E-Cat didn't work.
ascoli65
QuoteIn conclusion, Levi had by far all the scientific knowledge to understand the simple flow calorimetry used in the demo and all the required suspiciousness and skills to detect any possible artifact or trick. It's absolutely impossible that Rossi could have fooled him.
If Levi had had the scientific knowledge to evaluate the E-Cat he wouldn't have reported that the reactor works. He was fooled not by Rossi or Focardi, rather by his cultural inadequacy.
Paradigmnoia
QuoteBologna and baloney. The same thing to most.
Joking is easy for you, not for an Italian. Piantelli, Focardi, Levi, Rossi, Celani, Violante are all Italians. Somebody said that cold fusion speaks Italian and Japanese. Not a relished compliment indeed. Italians can do better. The present general manager of CERN is an Italian woman, Fabiola Gianotti.
axil
QuoteA simplified theory of LENR
As you know, there are lots of simplified theories of LENR. Ask Engineer P. Hagelstein for the newest.
You need reactors, not theories.
axil
QuoteI provided the list of reactions to you, did you look at it?
You only provided me with this list of reactions made at Super-Kamiokande:
http://www-sk.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.…publications/index-e.html
I can't find anything else.
I hope you do not consider weak reactions useful in this context, where people are looking for useful energy. At Super-Kamokande a nuclear event/day is a great success.
In my opinion we should stay linked at the thread, which is cold fusion. Super-Kamiokande has nothing to do with us.
Are you interested in a particular cold reaction? Write it down and I'll give you all the information I can get from BNL database. Are you American? BNL is American, I hope you rely on it.
axil
QuoteThis decision to exclude is based on the assumption that these particles and field cannot be produced in large enough volumes that would make these associated reactions apparent in experimentation.
While we are waiting for experimentation on weak force, let me ask you: do you believe that actually cold fusion reactions exist, but they are all rejected by all databases?
alan smith
QuoteThe blind leading the blind, ever deeper into the abyss.
Dramatic.
You are hinting at IAEA, BNL and many others, very demanding objectives:
Japan Charged Particle Nuclear Reaction Data Group, Hokkaido University, Sapporo, Japan
Center of Nuclear Physics Data, Russian Federal Nuclear Center (VNIIEF), Sarov, Russia
Nuclear Data Centre, Obninsk, Russia
China Nuclear Data Center, Beijing, China
OECD/NEA Nuclear Data Bank, Issy Les-Moulineaux, France
Nowhere is cold fusion mentioned. You have to trust JR, a specialist in Japanese literature.
In fact you are alone.
Axil
QuoteThis leads to the suspicion that the GANS database is not a depository of knowledge but an engineering aid to the nuclear engineering community.
Exfor collects all nuclear reactions, obviously not those run by the weak force. Superkamiokande is not an accelerator, it is something like a big detector of weak events. The detector must be big, as the cross section of weak reactions is very low.
nuclear engineering community. Nuclear science community in fact. Engineers are not interested in nuclear reactions, as they do not know them. Engineers are only interested in cold fusion (Violante and Hagelstein are engineers). Radiochimica Acta and Journal of Radioanalytical and Nuclear Chemistry are not engineering reviews. You only need to browse the titles of the journals.
Exfor means "Experimental Nuclear Reaction Data". All nuclear reactions are archived there, even those achieved in China, South Korea or Kazakistan. Exfor is international. IAEA is international.
Do you think that cold fusion is hindered by an international plot?
JedRothwell
QuoteYour method of doing science resembles medieval academics, or a fundamentalist religion.
You:
To put it another way, if this is true, I guess it is Game Over and We Won. I have difficulty taking that possibility seriously. It could happen though. There is certainly no physical reason why a 16 kW heater cannot be made.
You are always prone to consider true everything extraordinary you read about cold fusion.
You have blindly relied on academicians from Bologna or Sweden; I by far prefer recognized databases, where I can always look for excitation functions, whenever I will.
You read about cold fusion; I write about cold fusionists.
You have been bitterly deceived by Focardi/Rossi but continue to rely on cold fusion: wasn't that enough for your pride?
