Posts by SSC

Quote from Shane D.

But Darden is definitely saying they saw some results that were compelling sometime before Lugano (Switzerland). And if one reads the rest of the paragraph from 167-02, he goes on to describe somewhat excitedly "reactors explode", although not "violently". Talks about "melting", along with exploding too, after noting the strength of SS, and how 1500C is "far beyond our operating temperatures".

No doubt to me, in Feb 2014, Darden was saying some good things about the Ecat. Nothing though, that would come close to what Rossi promised to deliver.

No doubt, really. It's obvious, it was written by Darden. Yet today he denies it, and his followers reject the evidence.

Quote from Bob

Everyone was led to believe, even the final report was worded as such, that Rossi was not involved in the tests except at the very beginning and end. It turns out the he conducted the entire test!

Seriously? And where is it written that he conducted the entire test? Just because Darden said that Rossi was present it does not mean that he intervened. This seems the classic "word of mouth", where at each step the story is magnified ....

Quote from zorud

Peter Gluck - what is your explanation why Rossi refuses to share his "invention" publicly or in a way that the mainstream science can follow up and replicate, and AR finally deserves what he is claimin to be awarded for (Nobel prize)?

Would you personally behave exactly like him if you would have found out or "invented" what he claims to have????

Why he should give away the discovery of the century? You would share a winning lottery ticket?

Quote from IH Fanboy

I think that is a bit of a stretch. There is clear evidence of Darden forwarding contact information of many people associated with this affair directly to the very Israeli who approached Levi. Darden even mentioned he would forward more information to him via the "other" email system.

For which reason a person should send information via an alternative mail system, if he has not something to hide? This whole story stinks of bribery......

Quote from Eric Walker

But if Rossi and Fabiani were there every day, and the professors were not, this means that once more we will have had to place trust in Rossi not to interfere.

There were instruments that continuously collected data and images: if Rossi had intervened in changing something, his actions would have been recorded. Would you leave the discovery of the century unattended in a foreign company?

Quote from AlainCo

Since long I don't understand, after MFMP and many, bashed the Lugano report with credible claims, that Levi's team did not make new test with better protocol...

If they believe in their work, they should be confident.

If they are unsure, they should be demanding for such test...

I do not know what you mean by Levi team, but the Swedes still are making replicas of the test, as Mats recently said.

Quote from sigmoidal

And this thought occurred to me regarding Uzi Sha. Apparently, from googling, he either has some significant finances or knows people with significant finances in Eastern Europe and Russia. So suppose he see's what IH is doing, and hopes that he (or his contacts) can get a piece of the action in Europe or other places that don't fall under the IH's territory or compete directly with IH. He might reasonably want to find ways to get resources to move LENR implementation forward (ultimately for profit). And if so, he might reasonably be in contact with Darden regarding IH's progress.

The territories not covered by IH are covered by Rossi, then what sense would have for Uzi to contact IH?

Quote from Shane D.

He also wrote in the report that Rossi was only there to start it up at the beginning, and came back at the end to assist draw the fuel sample, but we now know Rossi/Fabiani, were there maybe the whole time.

Being present does not mean to intervene. The Ecat belongs to Rossi and he tried to protect it from strangers (they were guests of a company where could have been spies or thieves). In fact, in the Lugano report has been written that: "Throughout the test, no further intervention or interference on his part occurred; moreover, all phases of the test were monitored directly by the collaboration." (Lugano Report, page 7). As you can read, in this report the authors say that Rossi didn't interfer, they did not say that he wasn't there.

Quote from IH Fanboy

I think Darden felt like he needed to discredit those earlier tests, and the professors involved, to place IH in a stronger position before a jury with respect to the Doral test. And so it looks like he went about using his means and influence to do that.

I agree with you. IH has created the reactor used in Lugano and then has declared that any reactor made from them never worked. IH now has an interest in discrediting the test in order to continue to prove their point.

Quote from Shane D.

More importantly in 167-02 for us here interested in LENR, and contradictory in some ways to a recent Deweysays, Darden recounts some success with the Ecat in mid 2013, and on a few occasions some explosions, or melting, that could not be explained.

Apparently the Ecat was an interesting object for Darden as long as he had not to pay for it .... Explosions and mergers are a clear sign of the veracity of the effect, so IH's problems were those related to control and reproducibility of the phenomenon, but its existence was not questionable. Yet when Darden has found advantageous to deny the effect, he has not hesitate to say that it was all a hoax. I do not understand how so many people here continue to treat these people as if they were true gentlemen!

Quote from Jack Cole

Given that AR tends to point the finger at others for what he is doing, one might speculate that he has been engaged in harassment, intimidation, and bribery during the course of the suit.

This is a truly absurd reasoning and totally lacking in objectivity. Too often the documents about the process have been interpreted by IH supporters according to their cheer, without any kind of detachment and lucidity. In this way they just throw mud on the protagonists .... a questionable pastime.

Quote from IH Fanboy

Yes, the conspiracy must be huge. A masterpiece of unbelievable proportions. The secret elite running the world are pulling all the strings. You folks are ridiculous.

Ridiculous, yes...... but unfortunately they are not funny

Quote from Dewey Weaver

Ascoli65 - you ask a darn good remaining question - I am working on how far back the USA "co-travelers" go. Who is doing the same in Italy?

Perhaps some of the Bologna Profs are into this more deeply that we have thought.

Oh my God......here we are.....you really have finished every kind of argument if you are reduced to shoot in the dark. Come on, take a vacation!

Quote from Paradigmnoia

The site was visited in June 2016 for measurements and photos. Any serious changes between February and June, or changes since June will be obvious from photos.

Do you know how made those photos?

Quote from Bob

The facility was "rented by JMP". However, we have evidence that shows Rossi actually paid the bills. So who has been paying the rent for the past year? We must assume Rossi. Which means he would have the keys to the facility.

Why do you think that just Rossi could have the keys to the facility? A few days ago Weaver told us that IH took a walk in the customer's side and found new toys... ("Rossi had backup systems alright and fluid temps might have been able to remain somewhat constant in the system, even during the "down" days, very possibly because of certain "other systems" on the "customer" side that have recently been discovered". - Rossi vs. Darden developments - Part 2).

So if Rossi can enter and modify the set-up of the Plant, or even steal incriminating evidence, the same could be done by IH. By the way, I asked Weaver if he could be clearer about his "recently discover", but as always I received no answers, just BS about Planet Rossi and his same old repertoire.

Quote from oldguy

If Penon only visited the site 4 times, then he must have had some data to produce his reports. How was that obtained?

Maybe with a data recorder?

Are you suggesting that he would have to stay there every single day just to write data by hand?

From more then 20 years Data is collected via electronic DAQ loggers and not by pencil and paper! Now days many DAQ systems can be accessed remotely via internet!

Quote from AlainCo

If E-cat is real what is happening is irrational.

Not so irrational if you suppose that the only aim of IH was to rise money from the investors and then making it disappear.

What use they have done of all the money they collected ?

Quote from Peter Gluck

OBVIOUS? OK, but then it was already obvious when the first set of these data was given to the beneficiary and accepted/paid.

The data are fake not now only, they were fake from the start.

That's right, Peter. Why IH did not protest when the first report of Penon was received, if it was so obvious that the data were absurd?

Why they complain to the judge that they lost so much money in Doral if they really had suspected a bluff from the start?

It would have been enough to stop everything at the first suspicion, and would have saved a lot.

I have already asked this questions several times, but the answer has been always the same: "You and all your alien friends from Planet Rossi will be sweep away by the violence of IH's revenge!!!! Ahahaha!!!!" ...... Obviously someone can't do better than this......

Quote from monty

Puh. Dewey...

The manipulated in history... history is repeating itself... the truth is hunting you down and moderation is on the way... They cannot be helped and may not even know it when the full truth opens up before their very eyes.

If i wouldn't know better I would say you are trying to evangelize. You have a new messiah maybe we can look up to that brings us the (heat and) light? Only industrial heat and light of course

Don't kid yourself Monty .... the evangelizer does not bring salvation to anyone! The only things that he constantly makes are:

1) to launch anathemas against Rossi and say that his end is near;

2) accuse anyone who thinks otherwise to him to be part of a mysterious planet;

3) do not answer any questions. You can find him on these pages at any time by now.... yet accuses others of being paid because they spend few minutes of their lives here. One of its many paradoxes ......

Quote from THEDEBATEISUSELESS

I will say that if they had big questions about the setup, steam traps removed, measurement devices, total heat dissipation, heat transfer through an allegedly small tube, lack of supplies being transferred, no real connection to Johnson Matthey, and lack of manufacturing they would have saved everyone time (regardless if they were right, wrong, or somewhere in between) if they had told Rossi early on that they would not pay for the results the way the test was being conducted. Someone they *seem* to trust, Barry West, was (as far as I know) working there on a regular basis. Via what he witnessed and observed and reported back to Darden, IH should have had most of the same information after a few months -- that made them object to ERV reports -- as they had near the end of the test. If they thought the whole thing was a scam early on, they should have called out Rossi immediately and at least told him they wouldn't pay.

This argument is flawless, probably that is what bothers some people.... What was the role of Mr. West? Why no one has tried to stop the test if there were so many doubts? Maybe too many interests at stake on both sides?