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Quote from Shane D.

Camillo over on Cobraf, says this is the real, whole story:

1st Rossi thought he had repeatability.

2 ° Rossi had the problem of the so-called "zero customer" it is almost common practice to pretend to have a customer.

3 ° A BIG company that wanted to make electricity contact me we were in a meeting with the whole group when in a loud voice I called Rossi After hearing our needs told us that he could not guarantee continuity and said: " I speak against my interests , I'm not ready for that. " He refused, even though he was financially with water in his throat. He went to America and found a "PROOF" company to see if everything was OK. He had to deliver 1MW of power for a year. But there was a sea of problems, there were periods of large discontinuity, alternated by others in which it provided a surplus, the sum of the total heat was satisfied but not the continuity. The process ended in a plea bargain, and NOT with defeat.

4 ° To solve the problems in that year he had to make somersaults, and it was there that he understood a fundamental point, the phenomenon was divided into two parts, a part was a strange reaction between nickel hydrogen and lithium that could be traced back to a catalytic phenomenon, a second part was triggered by another component, the driving with intense pulses , (I call them TESLA IMPULSES) these mega unidirectional impulses had to be followed by a second weaker signal and longer in time it was a radiofrequency signal that seemed to tune, favor or facilitate the strange phenomenon.

5 ° Just in that dramatic period Rossi realized that the 90% core was in the mode of giving the impulse and NOT in the supposed chemical catalysis. From well-informed voices at that time I learned that he was looking for a "taser" type impulser as powerful as possible, we were talking about millions of Volt. When he tried to exasperate the voltage he ended up experimenting with PLASMA. Stunningly, the reaction was much better.

6 ° He already knew that when the reaction started, then it spread in a sort of chain reaction. the minimum "match" was called by Rossi "mouse" that makes the Cat run, that is, it triggered the remaining material that surrounded it.

7 ° The "mouse" that changed everything introduced him to Stockholm and was called Qx, had the characteristic that had always been missing: REPEATABILITY . Yup! Finally he activated the mouse (match) ALWAYS .. had reached the coveted total repeatability. NOW so that finally the product was industrializzatile, (before it was too random).

8 ° While completing the Qx tests, adding frequencies, magnetic fields and other parameters to see the behavior, a BEAUTIFUL day lit a strange plasma (the dancer) , it seemed almost self-sustaining and gave an incredible amount of heat. At first, by pushing the reaction, everything was melted, Rossi had to learn to sacrifice it by limiting himself to a manageable temperature.The containment made it with very high transparency glass, probably built on purpose. If a glass is 99.99% transparent, it does not heat up when it is crossed by hot rays.

9th He discovered that the reaction was maintained even with a very low power voltage. Millisimes of Watt, descending below that level the reaction went out.

10 ° The product that now had in hand, called SK, was a distant relative of the first E-Cat The first were believed to be very catalytic and not at all electronic (Tesla impulse) The SK instead is basically electronic and perhaps a bit 'catalytic (But here we are on the mystery)

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OOH, that is such a sweet story. Do the prince and princess live happily ever after, or do they have to actually wait for Rossi to have real customers?

Quote from Paradigmnoia

Oh, the general poor quality of the Miami Beach presentation doesn't bother me much. The puppets were cute enough. The sloppy math scribbles part has been patched up with a nicer video (late but better than left alone).

But the silly and unbelievable calculation of the power of a resistor as a stand-in for the plasma input power (both in Stockholm and Miami Beach) demonstrates to the world that AR simply does not know how to measure the input power of his devices. There were complaints for months about it (since the first Gullstrom-Ross paper about theory with a dash of QX on the side), but these complaints went ignored and were repeated in Stockholm and again at Miami Beach, showing that AR didn’t make a one-off mistake measuring power. He demonstrated that he is making the bad measurement repeatedly and continually, for over a year, despite even his ardent followers pointing out that the method was demonstrably wrong. "Gee, I wonder why he continues to do it that way?
. . .

These poor calculations and measurement techniques simply demonstrate that AR doesn’t know how to do it properly. Or stubbornly will not do it properly. I am a big fan of Ockham's Razor. After a decade of building amazing “products”, he still can’t measure input power on his own better than guessing, and much the same with output power. He couldn’t have done a better job of undercutting his own believeability. Not only has AR done a terrible job of measurement and calculation, he has memorialized it forever on the internet.

Quote from Bruce__H

I will ask you a question that I also asked Matts Lewan (who did not answer). How many clients does Mr Rossi have to have to convince the world that his invention is legitimate?

Note that I am talking about clients who are not anonymous ... my question is not even interesting if it is all just Rossisays. But if we have one or more companies who step forward to identify themselves and express their satisfaction with the heat they are purchasing, that is at least interesting. How many such companies are needed to satisfy someone who is properly skeptical of Rossi's activities ... 1? 10? 1000?

I argue that the number is more than 1. This is because of Rossi's history of creating a fake company with a "representative" willing to do and say what Rossi wanted. Even Mr Rossi's talents in this direction would be tested, however, by having to create multiple false fronts like this. If I were to see 1000 companies self-identify and express satisfaction after 1 year's operation then I would definitely have to revise my opinion of Rossi's activities because 1) it is a large number of companies, and 2) for the whole thing to be fake Mr Rossi would have to be selling heat at an enormous loss (tens of millions of dollars?) which I don't think he would do. I suspect that even 100 companies would be enough for me.

So. What is your number?

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For me, it would be a very low number, probably not more than five and maybe only 2 or 3; provided, however, that they are truly independent public companies that are actually receiving the claimed benefits of Rossi's widgets (whichever widgets) at a material cost savings. I say public companies because if the transactions are material, the companies would have to disclose the arrangements in filings with the SEC (assuming traded on a US or equivalent exchange). Russian/Chinese/etc. companies don't count unless subject to independent audit/review.

Now, do I think any of this is going to happen with Rossi. I rate that as less likely than Morena Baccarin is going to decide she is in love with me.

Quote from interested observer

Fun times here. After a long quiet period we now have an angry mob of Rossiphiles dedicated to going down with the Rossi ship no matter how long it takes to sink. Time to load up on popcorn.

And real butter please, none of that fake stuff.

Quote from JedRothwell

Just remove the "fucking" and you are in the temperate zone. I see nothing intemperate about the rest.

(I do not like that word, and I wish people would stop using it. I especially don't like it in the original sense of "sexual intercourse," because it derives from the German meaning "hit." I don't like that nuance. The word has a harsh Teutonic metallic crashing sound, a bit like "Hitler.")

will do going forward. My bad.

Quote from Alan Smith

Language please!

I apologize to all for my intemperate language, both on this thread and the others. It is just that absolute lying, and the defenses thereof, really make me sad.

Quote from Shane D.

In between the roof venting, and mezzanine heat exchanger excuses as to where the heat went, there was the endothermic process of making the customer's product (only to find later on he was the customer). Originally on JONP, he claimed making the product sucked up all 1MW, then several months after the settlement, he had this to say about it in Lewan's interview:

So you invented the technology used by JM?

“Yes, I made all the technology, I invented their production plant, and I made the plant.”

Can you describe the technology?

“We produced substances with a very high added value. To do this we had to achieve an extremely high pressure inside small reactors that were introduced in larger tubes. The concept was to provoke contractions in certain materials, using heat exchange with the hot steam [from the E-Cat plant] and a pressure of a few bars but concentrating the force from the pressure on a larger surface, a few cm², on much, much smaller surfaces, increasing the pressure proportionally. And this process consumed heat.“

How much of the heat from the E-Cat did this process consume?

“On average it consumed between 20 and 40 percent of the heat produced by the E-Cat plant. I had to learn from the experiment how much heat was necessary, because there were not any precedent analogous experiments to get data from.“

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And every one of those statements about what was there and what was done was a absolute fing lie. There was never a JM customer; there was never a process where anything used the alleged heat; there was never a process to produce anything.

"Yes, I made all the technology, I invented their production plant, and I made the plant." How the hell do IHFB, Axil, Kevmo, steppenwolf, Samwise or any other Rossi suck up defend these statements, What fing production technology did Rossi invent, what production plant did he invent and make? What happened to all the "product" made from this new technology at this new plant -- oh wait there was never any fing product. How do the acolytes defend any of this and still believe that they, or Rossi, retain even the smallest iota of credibility, or integrity?

Quote from JedRothwell

I believe that was Smith, in his second report. Quote:

Mezzanine Heat Exchanger

Plaintiffs are now claiming that the heat rejection was not done in the black box, but by a heat exchanger
located in the mezzanine at the west side of the facility. To date, there has been no evidence presented
that such a heat exchanger existed. No photos, drawings, calculations, purchase orders, construction
documents, etc. have been provided to the author. When Mr. Murray and the author inspected the Doral
site on 02 Mar 2017, we found absolutely no physical evidence that there had been a heat exchanger in the
mezzanine.

There was no lighting, other than the windows, no electrical power (save two small junction boxes and
some small conduit), no holes or patches where conduit and power boxes would have been mounted, no
holes or patches where piping would have been supported, no hole patches in the floor or the drywall wall
– in short, nothing. The only access to the mezzanine is a rickety wooden stairs, which the attorneys
made this author climb first (load test) before they would use it.

The door to the mezzanine is about 22-1/2” wide by about 79” high. It would be extremely difficult to get
equipment, piping, conduit, duct work, and the other items for such an installation up the narrow, rickety
stairs and through that narrow door into the mezzanine. The other alternative would have been to remove
one of the window assemblies and rig the equipment from the west parking lot up into the mezzanine.
The building owner may have records of this being done, or the rigging company surely would have
purchase orders and invoices for that work.

Plaintiffs are also now claiming that their heat exchanger vented through one of the windows on the west
side of the mezzanine, facing the street (NW 79th Avenue). The picture below was taken by an
investigator during October, 2015. . . .

http://coldfusioncommunity.net…01/0235.10_Exhibit_10.pdf

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The rickety stairs were dealt with by using the new Rossi designed and constructed RossiAntiGravityMagnificence (patent filing pending). There are no pictures or any evidence of this new powerful invention because Rossi has already abandoned it, and the trillions he would make from it, because he has a newer, smaller, more powerful model in development (the new one has multi-colored racing stripes). AA, IHFB, Axil and Samwise have all predicted great new things coming in connection with the new magnificence and, despite having never seen, have developed many serious theories about how the new widgets work.

Quote from Paradigmnoia

It is far more likely that with the 40-odd visitor-day events and no one of them can corroborate fans blowing 250000 cfm (or whatever it was) out the front window barely 15 feet from the front door because the fans were not there than the said fans went blowing unnoticed.

Wong claimed the fans were directly in the place of the bottom two holes (panes). All four window panes were missing when Wong was there.

Correction, IIRC Wong said that Rossi claimed where the fans were. Again, IIRC, Wong never saw the fans.

Quote from zorud

Yes - so many incredible things have happened and much has been accomplished....the plot and the puppets show goes on. Just have a look over to JONP or ECW...

1. Frank Acland February 18, 2019 at 5:27 PM

   Dear Andrea,

   Since the event on Jan 31st, can you say which of the following you have done?

   a) Responded to inquiries from potential customers.

   b) Made agreements with new customers.

   c) Built E-Cat SK plants for new customers.

   d) Delivered new E-Cat SK plants to new customers.

   e) Monitored E-Cat SK installations remotely.

   Many thanks, and best wishes,

   Frank Acland

2. Andrea Rossi February 18, 2019 at 6:43 PM

   Frank Acland:

   a) yes

   b) on course

   c) on course

   d) on course

   e) yes

   After these 18 days from the presentation of January 31st I can say that momentous events happened that are strongly reinforcing our situation. This allows me to confirm that the presentation of http://www.ecatskdemo.com has been very successful and that our target has been fully reached in perfect equilibrium with our possibilities.

   Thanks also to the magnificent work made by you and Thomas Florek. Before the presentation , if you remember, I told you both ” Acland at the piano, Florek at the guitar and concertina, Rossi at the drums: if the Ecat doesn’t work, we have a plan B”: it appears the plan B will not be necessary.

   Warm Regards,

   A.R.

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If we ever need a new "Baghdad Bob," we know where to look.

Quote from JedRothwell

So, you are saying it isn't like Perry Mason or "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo." I am disenchanted.

Well, not at all like Perry Mason, Law and Order, etc. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (at least the novell and the original film) are not set in the US (I forget which Scandinavian country) and I suspect that country is a civil code system and not a system such as ours. All I really know about those legal systems are that they are vastly different than ours.

How did we get an additional ~ 150 pages in the last couple of days.

I have a couple of questions for IHFB -- what is the evidence that the heat exchanger existed? As I recall, there were comments that there were no holes in the floor or walls that would show that a heat exchanger was installed. Please point out evidence to the contrary if I am wrong. I don't mean to rehash the issue, but is there any evidence, other than RossiSays, to support the existence of the heat exchanger? I know Wong's opinion is based solely on what RossiSays and that there were no pictures, drawings, schematics, etc. of the alleged heat exchanger, no invoices relating to the equipment to build one (neither material nor labor) and from what I recall there was no mention by anyone at any point about a heat exchanger until after the "test" was concluded. Buehler, any evidence at all to the

contrary?

Second, someone above posted that Rossi had allegedly claimed that he had invented another product for which he was filing a patent. Was any such patent filed?

Third, you opined that possibly the 36,000 number was just copied over and thus was not an accurate reflection of what was happening. In other words (my words) that means the number was made up, even if it was just assumed. Given that we conclusively know that the widgets seemed to working even when there was no power to them, and we know that the numbers/log was inaccurate on one/multiple occasions when the fourth widget was not in service, how can you give any credibility to the numbers / data provided? Garbage in garbage out is an often abused cliche, but it certainly seems to accurately (all irony intended) to describe this situation.

Quote from sigmoidal

And this highly probable explanation of it being a scam approaches virtual certainty when viewed in the context of Rossi's long history of promoting elaborate scams:

• Petroldragon elaborate scam: tens of millions of dollars of cleanup and persistent toxic waste site to this day in Italy
• Thermoelectric device elaborate scam: DoD contract with millions of dollars squandered by the US government with no working product
• Fake engineering degree scam: Purchased a fraudulent engineering masters degree from now non-existent fraudulent Kensington University in California
• 10K E-Cat elaborate scam: wet steam dribbling out of a rubber hose in the wall as Rossi manually fiddles with relay switches to "demo" his "reactor" with lead shielding
• 10K E-Cat elaborate scam: pure nickel 62 salted "ash", followed by salted copper "ash" to intrigue and bamboozle unassuming Swedish scientists, Cook, and others
• 1MW E-Cat elaborate scam: dummy reactors performing the same as active reactors, fake customer, electric heating strips, imaginary silent heat exchanger with large imaginary fans venting out the mezzanine fixed glass side window "disappears" the day after the 350 day "test" completes, etc., etc., etc.
• Plasma QX elaborate scam: plastic sprinkler parts presented in Stockholm with tricky plan to manually switch on the unit caught on video.
• Plasma SK elaborate scam: 7 "camera angles" complete with "ballerina" and satisfying conclusion via musical puppet show conducted from Rossi's home condo "headquarters" (as verified by Frank Acland) where he purportedly will remotely control over the internet "reactors" that he says caused him illness due to radiation exposure in testing, but will provide heat to industrial "satisfied customers".

None of the above have resulted in anything useful, most have resulted in sizable financial loss to others, except the last two, which to date have at least resulted in a sizable waste of time.

I must object to the introduction as evidence of all of the foregoing -- According to AA's First Law of Analyzing Rossi, "any historical evidence that cast's Rossi or his creations in a negative light shall be disregarded as irrelevant." NB, the Second Law is "anything that Rossi says shall be taken as gospel and the absolute truth unless contradicted simultaneously on three separate continents by ten Vestal Virgins on each continent" (the Vestal Virgins are a nod to Rossi's Roman roots).

Quote from JedRothwell

Ah. So I guess you mean the gist of the case must be presented during discovery, but additional supporting evidence can be introduced during the trial.

If you want to admit it at trial, absent extreme extenuating circumstances, you had better have disclosed it during discovery. Extenuating circumstances, e.g., you discover a new witness that either was unavailable or which you could not reasonably have known about prior to trial. If you could have found that witness through reasonable due diligence or if you knew about the witness and didn't disclose their existence as part of discovery to try to surprise the other side -- surprise is yours because the judge is likely to rule not admissible. And as part of the pre-trial exchanges, you have to disclose the name of every witness you intend to call (with a few exceptions) and the gist of what they are going to testify about. Judges reallllllly don't like ambush tactics, and they can issue a whole litany of sanctions against you when you try, ranging from not letting a witness testify to ruling that you lose on a particular issue, regardless of the evidence presented, to ruling that you lose the entire case regardless of the evidence, all the while assessing monetary sanctions against client and lawyer. If a lawyer files a motion and doesn't include in the motion case law that is negative to what they are arguing, they can be sanctioned. Courts, especially federal courts, take this type of stuff very seriously and you don't want to piss off a federal judge -- if you do, make sure you bring a toothbrush, slip on shoes, pants that don't need a belt and your checkbook.

Quote from Alan Smith

It is worth noting that reading them is much cheaper than employing a personal trainer.

I am doing physical therapy at Stanford Medical for my left knee total replacement and I made sure a picked a very attractive therapist. If I have to be tortured, I want an attractive torturer. I have asked to have her for the pt for my right knee, which is going under the knife in 17 days (and then we do my back).

Quote from Dewey Weaver

Always remember that the R'ster claimed 450C off his system controls / TC when a temp gun showed 275C and when caught, he immediately claimed runaway reaction / cleared the room. I checked it after getting close enough to the reactor to realize that there is no way he was putting out 450C.

Then there is the empty reactor that performed equally as well as a fueled reactor episode. This was actually a sting operation very brilliantly set-up by using the old upside down 6 is a 9 numbering method. The R'ster has been caught cheating so many times that it doesn't matter anymore.

I am ashamed of you DW -- citing facts is not allowed.

Quote from JedRothwell

It was a civil suit. No one goes to jail for that. People only go to jail in a criminal case.

The documents from the lawsuit docket is the best proof there can be. If it does not convince you, nothing would. Even if Rossi had lost the trial, you would say it was a miscarriage of justice. Those documents are the only evidence that would have been presented at the trial. Nothing more convincing would have come out. * If you don't believe they show that Rossi is a fraud, and if you had been the jury, you would have decided in his favor.

I think IH feared that several people like you might end up on the jury, so they settled. I would have settled. Also, because trying to get money out of Rossi would be like squeezing blood from a turnip.

* As far as I know, judges seldom allow evidence that has not already been filed in the docket before the trial.

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"* As far as I know, judges seldom allow evidence that has not already been filed in the docket before the trial."

You are indeed wrong on this point. In fact, most, if not all, of the evidence need not be filed with the court prior to trial. Discovery rules require that, if properly requested, the requested material (note that the material to be produced is usually much broader than what will be actually introduced as evidence at trial) must be produced to the requesting party prior to the trial. But the materials produced in response to discovery requests is not generally filed prior to trial.

I stress properly requested -- let's say that IH had secretly planted cameras to monitor all the activity at Doral. If Rossi doesn't include videos in his discovery requests (and videos are not otherwise requested), then IH doesn't have to turn them over as part of discovery and would still be free (subject to compliance with other requirements, e.g., authentication) to introduce them at trial. If Rossi had requested and IH denied the existence of such videos, the court could easily bar them from being admitted at trial. Discovery is the key because courts generally don't like trial by ambush. And as the parties settled after opening arguments, there was no evidence admitted at trial.

Someone above suggested that Rossi could not have committed fraud because he didn't end up in jail. This is a nonsensical argument made either in bad faith or someone who has absolutely not understanding of the American criminal justice system. There are a myriad number of practical, well proven and established reasons why many, many criminals never face a criminal investigation, much less criminal charges, a criminal trial and jail. But I am very confident that if Rossi had to undergo a criminal trial, he would be convicted (unless he cut a deal and plead guilty to a lesser charge). And if someone wants me to explain that to them, my billing rate is $450 an hour and I would require a non-refundable retainer of $5,000. (I am highly confident that Kev, either using that name or one of his sock puppets, will again attack my legal credentials and reasoning, but hey, I blocked him. Mainly because his posts are incredibly boring in that he never actually makes an argument (using that term in the Logic sense), instead relying on ad hominem attacks, much like AA).

The reason we have so much information in this trial is that evidence adduced as part of the discovery process was then filed with the court in connection with pre-trial motions made by the parties. For example, if IH filed a motion for summary judgment, or partial summary judgment (the standard for a summary, or partial summary, the moving party has to establish that there is no dispute about the relevant facts) on the issue of whether or not there was a real customer.

IH's motion would attach as exhibits the relevant portion from Rossi's deposition (as well as from other depositions), the fake invoices and other supporting documentation. Or suppose that Rossi filed a motion in limine to preclude IH from bringing up the subject of Rossi's involvement with PetroDragon (IIRC the name and spelling), IH's opposition would argue that Rossi's credibility and propensity for fraudulent behavior are central issues in the case and would attach as exhibits to their opposition all of the materials relating to Rossi's involvement therein, as well as any other materials relating to Rossi's credibility and propensity for fraud.

That is why we have so much material for our review and amusement.

Quote from Alan Fletcher

OK ... I think this is my most serious complaint about Smith's report (Supplemental)
http://coldfusioncommunity.net…7/01/252-05-Exhibit-E.pdf

One little detail : how do you explain water, at 0 barg (atmospheric), reaching a temperature of 104F ?

In my opinion, 104F is by definition super-heated steam.

104 degrees fahrenheit? Whirlpools are hotter than that.

Quote from Alan Fletcher

No. The output is calculated from the flow. When one Big Frankie was taken off-line Penon reported that the flow dropped from 36,000 to 27,000 ... 25% less.

(Again, just based on the main Penon report.)

But didn't you say it went back up to 36K? Did the fourth widget get resurrected?