Posts by rubycarat

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The eight teams chosen for ARPA-e funding are focused on measuring nuclear products. And it is argued that when neutrons are produced, that is not cold fusion. Cold fusion as defined by me and others is when two deuterons form helium. No neutrons are produced as final products. LENR is all the other attendant nuclear reactions discovered whilst trying to figure out cold fusion. I'll add that I am defining Solid State Fusion as the search for a useful heat technology.

These eight are definitely on the LENR tip. It is not clear that all of the eight have produced LENR, though some have. It seems several of these eight labs are ready to take materials from the community and test them, but not make the LENR themselves. Does this seem like what is happening?

Has anyone seen this movie? Nuclear https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21376908/

See also:

Filmmaker Oliver Stone slams environmental movement over 'destructive' actions on nuclear

The writer and director made his comments during an interview with CNBC's Tania Bryer at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

www.cnbc.com

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Not a chance. The whole annoucement is a travesty. It destroys their credibility. As I wrote in the other thread where Ruby posted this --

You don't go from 350 W to 600 kW, a factor of 1,700 larger. You go to 1000 W at most, and you make and distribute thousands of prototypes.

600 kW is more than enough to kill someone from a steam explosion. \

I believe we do not have a typo, and that is exactly the plan. How they get to higher heat I don't know. It will not be jumping orders of magnitude straight away. That is ridiculous. Currently, they are working on an increased surface area to up the power output. No doubt they will be creeping up as they can. These are not ridiculous people!

We also do not know the boiler design that Miura/Mitsubishi/Toyota will work on. Clean Planet is ambitious, and they have become more so since their success. Perhaps there are sights on power plants as an intermediary step to distributed power? We just don't know.

I do not see where Iwamura expressed concerns. I see where he honestly told his thoughts. I have a problem with anyone who would say Yasuhiro is mistaken.

This piece I put together was so I myself could see "what was the proof of Clean Planet claims?". I like to research the topic, try to figure the gist, and lay it down in as linear a way as possible, so I can understand it. The proof that makes me accept Clean Planet's claims are;

1. a TEAM of experienced, talented LENR researchers with decades of increasingly successful results.

2. full participation of academic, industry and agency and the entire country of Japan.

3. no more public reports of their ever-climbing excess heat power; only little heat reports and science results.

4. a confirmation of certain facts at the IWAHLM15

It is for these reasons that I stand my claim: Clean Power will make it happen, whatever the power level. It will be low first, and then they will be on a roll.

There are other labs doing it too. Can you name the other labs that are in the race for a technology? There are three at least on the North American continent. Around the world, a handful of labs may get the resources they need now that Clean Planet has jumped to the lead.

This article was derived from the ICCF24 x Solid State Energy presentation videos, Alan's chat with Yasuhiro, and a private communication when I gave a heads up that I'm publishing this article.

That's all I really have to say about this topic. There is little that could change my mind about my conclusion here, i.e., that we should believe Clean Planet when they say something. Unless new information comes to light, of course.

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That's ridiculous. You don't go from 350 W to 600 kW, a factor of 1,700 larger. You go to 1000 W at most, and you make and distribute thousands of prototypes. Unless the reaction is fully under control, 600 kW would be very dangerous. We will not know it is fully under control until it is tested in hundreds of labs run by regulators and safety testing companies.

600 kW is more than enough to kill someone from a steam explosion. If the reactor goes even a little out of control, it will destroy a building. No one is going to introduce a commercial product in 2025 that produces that much power from an unknown nuclear reaction which has no theoretical explanation. That is completely out of the question. When they say they are going to do that, it destroys their credibility.

Frankly, I find their claims difficult to believe for those reasons and many others. I would have a lot more confidence if they would release an independent evaluation or replication.

That's an update from Clean Planet. I will check for a typo, but that is what we are getting from Clean Planet. Also, given that value correct, I believe they are not jumping straight to that, but doing a 10 kW first.

I will post the reply from CP here to discuss further: RE: Clean Planet Ltd (Japan) updates

Looking through the early issues of Infinite Energy Magazine from the 1990s http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/backissguide.html you can see the enormous interest in a commercial product based on hydrogenated metals. Each publication is packed with advertising representing all the elements of a new energy landscape. Reports from the recent ICCF24 x Solid State Energy Summit reveal there are several labs "within epsilon" of a commercial product, but one company has put their reputation on the line to claim a release in 2025. There is good reason to believe the commercial era of cold fusion will be baptized in the public square within a mere 26 months.

Graphic: Hideki Yoshino, Founder and CEO of Clean Planet with Senior Advisor Hachi from https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/en/company/

Hideki Yoshino is a young, successful entrepreneur who became activated after the Fukushima disaster. He has seemingly galvanized his whole home country of Japan to work together to solve this most important problem of next-generation, zero-carbon power, and he formed Clean Planet to manage it. https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/ Over the last decade, he has assembled a partnership between academic, industry and government agencies in Japan to advance R&D of their Quantum Hydrogen Energy cell. The cell uses nickel-copper nano-particle layers infused with the hydrogen from water to generate big heat that can boil water.

Clean Planet's Global Strategy Director Masami Hayashi reported at the ICCF24 in July that a long-term heat-generating experiment is going on in their laboratory since May 2021. https://youtu.be/JnqokLK4J3c She also said Clean Planet is now working with Miura Company to engineer a hot-water boiler for industrial applications. They are starting with a smaller 350 Watt unit to proto-type with plans to scale up to a 600kW heater.

Graphic: Roadmap for Commercial Application from https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/en/science/

Many have made the claim to a commercial LENR product, and yet we still have nothing. Can we really expect Clean Planet to produce a heater within three years time? What is the evidence that this could be true? How can we believe that this time is different?

Clean Planet's core research team centers around former-Mitsubishi Heavy Industries scientist Yasuhiro Iwamura, known for his innovative transmutation work that has advanced into stunning nano-particle thin-films results. He has presented his laboratory findings at ICCFs since the 90s, always evolving in experimental design, and increasing heat output to several hundred watts.

Former-Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Chief Engineer Takehiko Ito and Jirota Kasagi, the former-Head of Research Center for Electron-Photon Science at Tohoku University complete the investigative research team. Yoshito Endo, a former-Project Manager at Toyota Motor Corporation, brings complementary product development experience.

Clean Planet has a serious team of scientists, with reputations of honesty and co-operation built over decades. They are hardly a group to be mistaken or misleading. However, if this team were to be wrong about their claims, we would know pretty quickly, as they are not operating in isolation, but within an extensive service network, any node of which could determine the falseness of a claim.

Founder/CEO Yoshino Hideki initially put his own resources towards the organization, but has grown the support ever since. Clean Planet has become more of a management hub for the research and engineering labs, with three offices employing the top scientists in Japan. Research capability originates from institutions such as Tohoku University, and universities at Osaka, Kyushu, Nagoya, Kobe, and Hokkaido. There is private funding as well as contributions from government programs such as METI/NEDO New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization https://www.nedo.go.jp/english/ and Impulsing Paradigm Change through Disruptive Technologies Program ImPACT https://www.jst.go.jp/impact/en/index.html.

Major Japanese public companies such as Mitsubishi Estate Company, Miura Company, Aisin Seiki Company (Toyota Corporation’s affiliate) and Nissan Motor Company that have dominated global industries for decades, are on board and stand ready to provide their resources towards product development and production. Imitating a war-time effort, effectively declaring war on global heating and the strangle-hold of fossil fuels suffocating our future, Clean Planet has martialed a whole nation to cooperate on a new energy technology.

One single private lab cannot compete with the full coordination of a society, though there are signs in the EU and US that could emulate this success. In the US, a federal energy agency ARPA-e will fund some exploratory work in LENR https://arpa-e-foa.energy.gov/…d3-4afc-bd17-bc7a7f05fb2f and the US Patent and Trademark Office has added categories for new energy applications. https://www.uspto.gov/web/pate…on/cpc/html/cpc-G21B.html

This opens up the field to new participation from independent labs and industries that service them, bringing private interests.

However, this effort has no coordinated office and is in the initial stages. So far, labs in the US working separately to engineer a technology have been going it alone, scraping along trading intellectual property for minimal funding. The new federal changes are due to their efforts as they discover an avalanche of LENR effects and apply for patents. Efforts by the Anthropocene Institute in Palo Alto, California have worked to break the blockade using education and workshops that target patent and policy-makers. https://arpa-e.energy.gov/even…uclear-reactions-workshop

The EU has a head-start on a comprehensive program, with multiple labs across many nations working under the umbrella Clean HME Project, where HME stands for Hydrogen Metal Energy. https://www.cleanhme.eu/. Contracts for multiple types of cells pursuing excess heat, nuclear products, and transmutations have been successful, with the science being expanded and nailed down, but further enhancement of heat output is needed before any engineering can begin. These types of "national" efforts will help smaller independent labs with contracts and funding, but both of these efforts in the US and EU lag behind the Japanese program built by Clean Planet.

LENR-forum's Alan Smith attended the 15th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen-loaded Metals IWAHLM15 held in September 2022 at Assisi hosted by ISCMNS Chief William Collis and Claudio Pace. Alan Smith was there to present results of his Lattice Energy Generator LEC replications. While there, he spoke with Yasuhiro Iwamura who confirmed Masami Hayashi's report from July. Watch their chat here:

Graphic: Roadmap for Product Launch from Masami Hayashi presentation ICCF24 x Solid State Energy Summit

They are working to scale-up the output power by increasing the surface area of the generator, which means more material to host the reaction. Previous claims were of 5 Watts per square-centimeter of nano-particle nickel-copper layers. Iwamura says units are now targeting levels over 1kW and up to 10kW thermal output power. Heat output continues without re-filling hydrogen for months at a time. He estimates a heat generator to be available to the industrial sector within 5-10 years.

Clean Planet has interest in the mobile sector, too, intending to apply the technology to cars and airplanes. Heaters for residential units will depend on satisfying government regulation requirements.

For the last several ICCFs, reports from Japanese researchers were largely about the increasing power output. In the last ten years, thermal outputs of single-digit watts have incrementally increased to several-hundred Watts. At the recent summer conference ICCF24, there was no report of high Watts, no discussion of how to activate and control. We saw reports of 5 Watts being generated regularly solely to test various experimental parameters.

Yasuhiro Iwamura is regularly generating 5 Watts excess heat and testing how perturbations in the heater cause excess heat bursts. Takehiko Itoh generated a baseline of 2-3 Watts and prompted controlled heat bursts of 1 Watt to test the quantity and quality of radiation. Jirohta Kasagi has shown that the same nickel-copper nano-films will generate similar heat whether using regular light hydrogen or deuterium.

This is a different road altogether. They no longer need to report on their struggle to achieve control of a useful thermal output because they have already have achieved it. Now, the lab is comfortable enough to start teasing out the details of the reaction with specifically-designed experiments that will both expand the science and support the engineering.

BTW, if you’re interested in helping, Clean Planet is hiring.

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Disaster inspired Hideki Yoshino and he now leads the number one R&D effort on Earth for breakthrough energy technology. Clean Planet has a tremendous team and a track record of results. The support from government funding and private sector manufacturing pulls all of Japan into their orbit. Plans for an energy revolution are based on what they have actually achieved in the lab and reported on publicly over decades. No one will rest until we see Breakthrough with our own eyes, but the evidence is stacking up that we will see this day.

Looking through the early issues of Infinite Energy Magazine from the 1990s http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/backissguide.html you can see the enormous interest in a commercial product based on hydrogenated metals. Each publication is packed with advertising representing all the elements of a new energy landscape. Reports from the recent ICCF24 x Solid State Energy Summit reveal there are several labs "within epsilon" of a commercial product, but one company has put their reputation on the line to claim a release in 2025. There is good reason to believe the commercial era of cold fusion will be baptized in the public square within a mere 26 months.

Graphic: Hideki Yoshino, Founder and CEO of Clean Planet with Senior Advisor Hachi from https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/en/company/

Hideki Yoshino is a young, successful entrepreneur who became activated after the Fukushima disaster. He has seemingly galvanized his whole home country of Japan to work together to solve this most important problem of next-generation, zero-carbon power, and he formed Clean Planet to manage it. https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/ Over the last decade, he has assembled a partnership between academic, industry and government agencies in Japan to advance R&D of their Quantum Hydrogen Energy cell. The cell uses nickel-copper nano-particle layers infused with the hydrogen from water to generate big heat that can boil water.

Clean Planet's Global Strategy Director Masami Hayashi reported at the ICCF24 in July that a long-term heat-generating experiment is going on in their laboratory since May 2021. https://youtu.be/JnqokLK4J3c She also said Clean Planet is now working with Miura Company to engineer a hot-water boiler for industrial applications. They are starting with a smaller 350 Watt unit to proto-type with plans to scale up to a 600kW heater.

Graphic: Roadmap for Commercial Application from https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/en/science/

Many have made the claim to a commercial LENR product, and yet we still have nothing. Can we really expect Clean Planet to produce a heater within three years time? What is the evidence that this could be true? How can we believe that this time is different?

Clean Planet's core research team centers around former-Mitsubishi Heavy Industries scientist Yasuhiro Iwamura, known for his innovative transmutation work that has advanced into stunning nano-particle thin-films results. He has presented his laboratory findings at ICCFs since the 90s, always evolving in experimental design, and increasing heat output to several hundred watts.

Former-Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Chief Engineer Takehiko Ito and Jirota Kasagi, the former-Head of Research Center for Electron-Photon Science at Tohoku University complete the investigative research team. Yoshito Endo, a former-Project Manager at Toyota Motor Corporation, brings complementary product development experience.

Clean Planet has a serious team of scientists, with reputations of honesty and co-operation built over decades. They are hardly a group to be mistaken or misleading. However, if this team were to be wrong about their claims, we would know pretty quickly, as they are not operating in isolation, but within an extensive service network, any node of which could determine the falseness of a claim.

Founder/CEO Yoshino Hideki initially put his own resources towards the organization, but has grown the support ever since. Clean Planet has become more of a management hub for the research and engineering labs, with three offices employing the top scientists in Japan. Research capability originates from institutions such as Tohoku University, and universities at Osaka, Kyushu, Nagoya, Kobe, and Hokkaido. There is private funding as well as contributions from government programs such as METI/NEDO New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization https://www.nedo.go.jp/english/ and Impulsing Paradigm Change through Disruptive Technologies Program ImPACT https://www.jst.go.jp/impact/en/index.html.

Major Japanese public companies such as Mitsubishi Estate Company, Miura Company, Aisin Seiki Company (Toyota Corporation’s affiliate) and Nissan Motor Company that have dominated global industries for decades, are on board and stand ready to provide their resources towards product development and production. Imitating a war-time effort, effectively declaring war on global heating and the strangle-hold of fossil fuels suffocating our future, Clean Planet has martialed a whole nation to cooperate on a new energy technology.

One single private lab cannot compete with the full coordination of a society, though there are signs in the EU and US that could emulate this success. In the US, a federal energy agency ARPA-e will fund some exploratory work in LENR https://arpa-e-foa.energy.gov/…d3-4afc-bd17-bc7a7f05fb2f and the US Patent and Trademark Office has added categories for new energy applications. https://www.uspto.gov/web/pate…on/cpc/html/cpc-G21B.html

This opens up the field to new participation from independent labs and industries that service them, bringing private interests.

However, this effort has no coordinated office and is in the initial stages. So far, labs in the US working separately to engineer a technology have been going it alone, scraping along trading intellectual property for minimal funding. The new federal changes are due to their efforts as they discover an avalanche of LENR effects and apply for patents. Efforts by the Anthropocene Institute in Palo Alto, California have worked to break the blockade using education and workshops that target patent and policy-makers. https://arpa-e.energy.gov/even…uclear-reactions-workshop

The EU has a head-start on a comprehensive program, with multiple labs across many nations working under the umbrella Clean HME Project, where HME stands for Hydrogen Metal Energy. https://www.cleanhme.eu/. Contracts for multiple types of cells pursuing excess heat, nuclear products, and transmutations have been successful, with the science being expanded and nailed down, but further enhancement of heat output is needed before any engineering can begin. These types of "national" efforts will help smaller independent labs with contracts and funding, but both of these efforts in the US and EU lag behind the Japanese program built by Clean Planet.

LENR-forum's Alan Smith attended the 15th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen-loaded Metals IWAHLM15 held in September 2022 at Assisi hosted by ISCMNS Chief William Collis and Claudio Pace. Alan Smith was there to present results of his Lattice Energy Generator LEC replications. While there, he spoke with Yasuhiro Iwamura who confirmed Masami Hayashi's report from July. Watch their chat here:

Graphic: Roadmap for Product Launch from Masami Hayashi presentation ICCF24 x Solid State Energy Summit

They are working to scale-up the output power by increasing the surface area of the generator, which means more material to host the reaction. Previous claims were of 5 Watts per square-centimeter of nano-particle nickel-copper layers. Iwamura says units are now targeting levels over 1kW and up to 10kW thermal output power. Heat output continues without re-filling hydrogen for months at a time. He estimates a heat generator to be available to the industrial sector within 5-10 years.

Clean Planet has interest in the mobile sector, too, intending to apply the technology to cars and airplanes. Heaters for residential units will depend on satisfying government regulation requirements.

For the last several ICCFs, reports from Japanese researchers were largely about the increasing power output. In the last ten years, thermal outputs of single-digit watts have incrementally increased to several-hundred Watts. At the recent summer conference ICCF24, there was no report of high Watts, no discussion of how to activate and control. We saw reports of 5 Watts being generated regularly solely to test various experimental parameters.

Yasuhiro Iwamura is regularly generating 5 Watts excess heat and testing how perturbations in the heater cause excess heat bursts. Takehiko Itoh generated a baseline of 2-3 Watts and prompted controlled heat bursts of 1 Watt to test the quantity and quality of radiation. Jirohta Kasagi has shown that the same nickel-copper nano-films will generate similar heat whether using regular light hydrogen or deuterium.

This is a different road altogether. They no longer need to report on their struggle to achieve control of a useful thermal output because they already have achieved it. Now, the lab is comfortable enough to start teasing out the details of the reaction with specifically-designed experiments that will both expand the science and support the engineering.

BTW, if you’re interested in helping, Clean Planet is hiring.

株式会社クリーンプラネットの転職・求人情報一覧｜エン ミドルの転職

転職成功者続出！株式会社クリーンプラネットの転職・求人情報一覧ページ。各専門分野に精通する転職のプロ、コンサルタントがサポートする日本最大級のキャリア転職情報サイト。年収800万円以上の高年収、管理職、スペシャリストの求人、非公開求人スカウトも多数。

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Disaster inspired Hideki Yoshino and he now leads the number one R&D effort on Earth for breakthrough energy technology. Clean Planet has a tremendous team and a track record of results. The support from government funding and private sector manufacturing pulls all of Japan into their orbit. Plans for an energy revolution are based on what they have actually achieved in the lab and reported on publicly over decades. No one will rest until we see Breakthrough with our own eyes, but the evidence is stacking up that we will see this day.

Discussed here Clean Planet Ltd (Japan) updates - Page 12 - Players - LENR Forum (lenr-forum.com)

Clean Planet reported claims at ICCF24. Iwamura repeated and extended the claims.

Hideki Yoshino put together the strongest LENR research collaboration on Earth, involving academics, industry and government resources.

There is no reason to say "they are telling stories".

Previous ICCFs have seen Japanese scientists report incrementally higher and higher thermal output, touting achievements up to several hundred watts. At ICCF24, we heard no such reports. Power outputs were often at 5 Watts, 15 Watts, etc., while other experimental parameters are varied.

Do you see? Clean Planet no longer has to report on their struggle for higher output power. They already have it, and are moving to the next phase of commercializing their output, while continuing to tease out the science.

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Done.

One thing that there wasn't space for in the form:

I don't know how others feel, but I was a bit perplexed by the need to rebrand to S-SAFE.

They make a distinction in suggesting that S-SAFE is an umbrella term that includes LENR, but it struck me as a perhaps disorienting convolution.

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Ditto done.

The names popular at the ICCF24 also included Metal Hydrogen Energy, the term used by Japanese researchers for a few years now. I heard that one a lot. Also, "solid state energy" is what organizers focused on in the title of the meeting. I heard "nano-nuclear". There are a lot of new ones.

I believe it is because presenters want to make a name that is easily digested by people who are totally against nuclear power like environmentalists, silicon valley people, etc. They also want to separate from "cold fusion" , which Scott Hsu doesn't like.

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Well, they said they are testing 1 kW prototypes. I don't recall any details, but if true that is evidence they have near-practical prototypes. Also, Miura announced they will have cold fusion reactors by 2025, which is soon. There is not technical evidence, but that is what Clean Planet and Miura are saying. Here is the Clean Planet slide:

One of their reactors has been running since May 2021, over a year, at the one office location. I do not know if that is the 1KW generator that was stated as beginning proto-type testing in May 2021.

Clean Planet has proven they can make big heat, reporting publicly 200-300 Watts excess, and now, not bothering to report big heat, but reporting little heat, repeatedly generated to test parameters. It is a new level of research.

Need another analogy for a technology developing before full-understanding of the mechanism behind it is achieved? Look no further than AI.

Charles Martin lays out how "no one understands how AI works", but they are continuing to develop applications for its use!

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Posting something or other on a preprint service can be worthwhile if, in the end, it gives rise to an actual published work subjected to real peer review. But it is not worthwhile if it is used to lend a faux aura of science to poor work, or nonsense, or malevolent fakery. If this is what happens, then it is literally pseudoscience.

No one takes ResearchGate or other preprint services seriously as ultimate destinations for genuine science. Fighting it through peer review to publication is just as hard. Wyttenbach definitely needs help writing and if you are doing that then more power to you. But why go through that hard work unless your intention is to end up with a real publication instead of something pseudo?

Surely you understand the issues this field has had with publishing? If not, then you would be surprised. Read How the Flawed Journal Review Process Impedes Paradigm Shifting Discoveries in the Journal http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol12.pdf

published back in 2013. Your friends in academia may snub the Open Science option, but LENR scientists were forced to this avenue. The thing to do is look at the data, not the label, and take it from there.

Clean Planet is leading the globe in LENR R&D and at ICCF24 presented their strategy for both developing a technology and nailing down the science of the reaction itself.

Hideki Yoshino built the group in the aftermath of the Fukushima disaster and seemingly has marshaled all of Japan to support Solid State Energy, a.k.a. Quantum Hydrogen Energy, a.k.a. Metal Hydrogen Energy, a.k.a. LENR.

No longer is it hit-or-miss to just get a reaction. Excess thermal power in the range of 200-300 Watts has been reported by Clean Planet and Tohoku scientists in the past, but now, researchers are now regularly making the reaction happen at will, testing parameters during repeated runs, and finding patterns on the similar outcomes.

For instance, Yasuhiro Iwamura is regularly generating 5 Watts excess heat and testing how jiggling the heater causes excess heat bursts. See

Takehiko Itoh generated a baseline of 2-3 Watts and prompted controlled heat bursts of 1 Watt to test test the quantity and quality of radiation. See

Jirohta Kasagi has shown that the same Ni-Cu nano-films will generate similar heat whether using H or D. See

Masahiko Hasegawa of Technova has generated 17 Watts long term, and is testing parameters such as the metal/hydrogen ratio and temperature effects on excess power. See

But the new level of widespread low watt excess power reproducibility is not limited to Clean Planet or Technova, but appears in multiple labs. Si Chen reported 1 Watt with a bump to 2 Watts. See

Jean Paul Biberian showed results ranging from a few watts to tens of Watts. See

It will take some time to sift through all of these presentations, but another pattern emerging seems to be adding elements like CaO and oxidization to create dislocations and cracks which is claimed to initiate and enhance the reaction.

Clean Planet reported a 1kW proto-type commercial boiler design has been in testing since May 2021. Also, a heating unit has been running continuously since May 2021 with no hydrogen fuel added since the initial saturation. They plan a commercial product by the year 2025. See

I will edit and update this same post as I get to more presentation data.

A few more photoss from the last night dinner:

Above L to R. David Nagel, William (Bill) Collis. Below. Nicholas Chauvin, Alan Smith, Huw Price, Eugene.

Eli and I gave out t-shirts with art by Matt Howarth at the conference. I sent one to my pal Andrew. If you need a DJ, sound archiving, recording services, or the best live act in town the Spam Allstars to perform, call City of Progress http://www.spamallstarsbiz.com/city-of-progress He's got a cold fusion safe house.

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Yes, you are correct. I am paraphrasing. It should not be in quotes. I did not look up exactly what they said. Essentially, that is what they said.

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I do not get the sense they believe there is something there. I get the sense they are playing political games, but I cannot image what games, or what purpose they serve. Judging by the Nature editorial that was published with the paper, this was a crude hatchet job intended to make people think cold fusion does not exist. That seems like an expensive hatchet job, so I do not know why they would bother. They could have accomplished the same thing with the usual bullshit editorial in Na

The Google paper in Nature was a masterpiece of obfuscation, misdirection, and confusion. I think I know what they did -- sort of -- because I asked them, and I heard

So I edited the post and removed the quotes to make to make it truer. I also added a couple links. I have more photos to upload but reached the max.

I do believe I heard those exact words, originally written, during the conference. From who? I do not know. Maybe Matt Trevithick? I will have to look out for that in the video talks.

I did not like the way that paper was written and I would have to review it again to say why. I remember it was within reading the first couple paragraphs I had a sinking feeling. But whatever you are thinking their intention is, look what is the result. There exist some researchers who see this paper as a reason to initiate research in LENR. This was stated at the conference. People are using this paper to justify a research proposal. I am baffled too, but this is how it is. I wonder how many got this jumpstart? I wonder who is still waiting for another sign? What will it take?

Artifacts have services and disservices. We could list them all out but the google paper performed a service of activating other research efforts.

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Miles and Fleischmann were very upset about this. Look for the term NHE in Fleischmann's letters:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmanlettersfroa.pdf

Eight decades since computers were invented in 1945. By 1950 people knew about them. They began having a large impact around 1960. Bill Gates, I, and many others learned how to use them in the mid-1960s. Microcomputers (later called personal computers) that were cheap enough for ordinary folks to buy emerged in the late 1970s.

That is a good question. When do we define the start of the revolution? It isn't one moment. I guess I was thinking about it in terms of the societal applications that were the final straw in breaking the old institutions, when us ordinary folks got involved.

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I do not think the paper said that. It said the experiments are challenging and worth doing on their own merits. It gave no hint that they think cold fusion is real. The Nature editorial that accompanied the paper was a hatchet job no better than any of the other hatchet jobs Nature has published since 1989. There was no softening, no concessions, or no indication they know anything about the research.

Yes, you are correct. I am paraphrasing. It should not be in quotes. I did not look up exactly what they said. Essentially, that is what they said. They are not stopping. google will continue, because they believe there is something there. The presenter Ben Barrowes remarked about the google paper, and how it made him think he could propose something because of that exact sentiment. He got that sentiment from the paper. He is not alone, as Scott Hsu said as much. This is how the google Nature paper had an impact, despite not being what the LENR community had hoped for.

Ben Barrowes CRREL US Army Research was at the ICCF1 in Salt Lake City when he was 16 years old. He found a sense of wonder, that we could try to figure out some of though secrets of the universe and he went into electrical engineering. He worked in the Army trying to find unexploded bombs underground.

A new program is starting up. Army got more interested recently. He wanted to do a replication of HIVER, Oliver B's project. Here's the layout:

They have not had a full experiment, but now that funding is flowing, they will do more than just turn it on.

Another thing they are interested in doing is Palladium Laser following Biberian and Mastromatteo. This is preliminary, they just wanted to see what would happen, but they are planning more tighter situations.

He looked at the locations where the lasers hit, and at first he didn't see anything, but when he looked closer, there were little tiny spots. He looked at them under SEM, and saw that under the Blue laser, there is a crater and a debris field, and other elements that weren't there before.

Looking at the red laser spot, there was no nickel (like the blue spot) but more calcium and silicon.

CR-39 shows activity, but not where you would expect near where the lasers were. he does not know what made the patch showing on the detector and asks, does anybody know?

This is the first year of a three-year funding situation for Barrowes. He feels there is a sea-change in attitudes and optimistic about forwarding the research.

Oliver B from the Navy NAVSEA Warfare Centers and DARPA on the HIVER Electrochemistry Energy Project Results. He shows a US cold fusion timeline with DOE, SPAWAR, DOE NRL...

There are issues and potential solutions. He puts a broad teaxm together from National Research Labs, Industry and Academia.

Cells are Pt wires electrodes, heavy LiCl salt, PdCl2 salt, with 0.25 Tesla magnets. There is a Seebeck sensor roaming around the room for people to look at. CR-39 is used in their hot electrochemical experiments. Many tracks found on experimental runs and a lack of nuclear tracks on control runs.

A statistical approach revealed the level of background neutrons. Background goes up and down in the lab. He needs more detectors though, situated around the lab getting neutron counts in real time.

The model he is following at this time: Electochemically plated lattice structure w/Vacancies to Electron chemical deuterium loading in lattice to Parametric pumping through applied DC current to DD reaction. After experiments there is material analysis. No transmutations were found.

He shows one run where an anomalous 5 Watts are present. RF was detected during experiments, including 330 MHz which others have reported that frequency also.

Charles Martin Calculation Consoting, USA talks on AI and LENR. He has done 15 years of Machine Learning and AI.

A tool he has developed for AI for climate change will be discussed. AI also called Deep Learning is being applied in a lot of areas, nuclear fusion, protein folding, for example. Many people do not know how AI works, even engineers who do it. But they don't care, they keep using it to solve problems. But if you don't know how it works, you can turn this into a full-fledged engineering application. AI theory uses ideas of statistical mechanics and new concepts too.

He has an equation and it is complicated. It took him three years to figure out. He can predict trends in the quality of state-of-the-art neural networks without access to training or testing data. They can make specific predictions about what people are doing in industry.

Carbon Corp uses AI to look at your land and assess whether or not you are eligible for carbon credits. Training the AI to get that level of accuracy is what they are doing.

In LENR there are millions of data points, so you have to train AI to work without looking at the data, he says. When the system is learning, the eigenspectrum of layers of ____ becomes more correlated.

To use this method, you need to pick a model that would be as close and relevant to what you were doing. You can use his tool to select a model. They can detect problems layer-by-layer. (Layer of what? I am wondering.)

A hedge fund is training a model to predict the market, but apparently too much training the model degrades. A python tool analyzes fat tails in deep Neural networks.

Ultimately, google has solved a basic physics question, but the AI is not ready to work on the LENR theory. However, someone who knows Python and LENR could work on a program that would be able to determine - oh, this material will be active, or, this material won't be active. A theory of LENR, at this point, still requires humans.