Posts by clarifier

we_cat_global wrote:

Dear All,

Let's make a bet. Infinite ridicule for the loser(s), eternal pride for the winner(s);

Within two years from now we use a different term for what is on this forum, at this moment generally called LENR.

Rossi is ahead of the curve. In every aspect of the game. You can ridicule him all you want, but his latest statements have more value in them than you can possibly understand.

Cheers,

JB

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There was someone in this forum, 3 or 4 years ago, who already won a bet like this one. And he was not pro Rossi.

So, I place my bet with 1000 dollars.

AGAINST YOU.

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.... like Christopher Clumbus ...

I feel really sorry for Christoph Columbus, that such an tiny, meaningless inverterbate maggot, yet impossible huge scumbag, tries to compare himself to such a worldchanger.

By the way, now we can at least tell, which name his "next device" will get... either "India", "America" or Columbus

PhysicsForDummies wrote:

Rossi cut the cord. He is no longer part of the LENR community. He is part of the fantasyland community. Can the last few mentally competent supporters admit this? Director? Axil? Alan?

Adrian could, but not anymore. Let me have a look on his nonsense-blog right now. BTW I still wonder, why he called it journal of nuclear physics, when he admits, that there is NOTHING nuclear happening ?

PhysicsForDummies wrote:

In my experience people with strong religious beliefs are ok with sexual innuendo. My aunt was the craziest. It is the censorship I have a problem with. Frank is starting to let more posts questioning Rossi. He used to delete 80%, of my posts, now maybe 20%, only when I correct Axil's or other peoples word salad nonsense.

Yeah, the same was with me, about 2 years ago. I mostly criticized Axils stack of BS and that was enough to bann me.

I rejoined, about 3 times, always with different users and email adresses. I behaved more and more "tamed"... no effect.

As soon as You start to show the slightest reasonability and scepticizm, silly Frank banns You.

Totally childish and there is only one conclusion:

As long as they all behave childish like that, there is nothing to wonder about why they believe in Rossi.

They stuck somewhere in their childhood, maybe, still believing, Santa Clause will come to them, some day, in the form of the HUGE S O A B called Rossi.

Rossi, this s o a b really deletes posts, e.g. which ask questoins, which he surely cannot answer, comments, which question his answers, wich he had given and reasonable critizism.

Totally Frank Acland style. Silly blog.

sam12 wrote:

Rossi optimistic about end of year

presentation.

1. Anonymous August 20, 2019 at 10:07 AM

   Dr Rossi,

   Do you still think that you will be able to make the presentation of the Ecat SK Leonardo with permanent self sustaining mode by the end of this year ?

2. Andrea Rossi August 20, 2019 at 3:37 PM

   Anonymous:

   I am still optimist,

   Warm regards,

   A.R.

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Anyone counted, how many years he has been repeating the exactly same BS ?

I know, BUT ONE was visible. As he saw and deleted two of my others, he deleted also the already released. But look at this NONSENSE.

WHAT IS HE BABBLING ?

PhysicsForDummies wrote:

Can the moderator who deleted my post explain to me why this is so inappropriate that it had to be deleted, rather than moved to clearance etc? Are you offended by humor that has the slightest bit of sexual entendre?

If any sexual innuendo are off limits like UFO's and magnetic motors, I guess Director was right. Maybe I will post on ECW, as long as Frank allows

Yes, please explain. Else the guilty moderator is not different to the mod on rossis shit blog. Try to find this post there, right NOW:

Haha. Look, what happened just right now:

we_cat_global wrote:

Hi Bob#2 ,

"IH was started before their association with Rossi. You are simply wrong about this. Also, IH has no connection with Brillioun... please show your facts.

Your concept here about IH is simply clouded by your view and acceptance of what Rossi has spewed."

Indeed, but before Rossi came on-board nothing happened at IH. Rossi convinced them LENR was interesting. Read this court document (fact) and judge for yourself what connections may or may not exist between IH and Brillioun;

http://www.sifferkoll.se/siffe…/03/214-23-Exhibit-23.pdf

"Again, you are completely incorrect here. IH did NOT start the lawsuit. They were NOT filing a lawsuit to show Rossi a fraud. Rossi started the lawsuit and then walked away right before experts were ready to take the stand. IH new that the 10 million would not be reclaimed from Rossi as he put his fraudulently obtained 10 million into Condos (not LENR research!), So again, you are not seeing clearly. IH never started the lawsuit, but they sure stopped it. There was no need to continue paying large legal fees to "discredit or prove a fraud" of Rossi, as he had already did that via his depositions. Care to talk about fake customer, fake invoices, fake engineer, fake production, fake everything? How about him dropping his 1MW plant immediately to never talk about it again? A plant he stated had a COP over 80 and that ran for a year... HE stated (by the lawsuit) that it was worth 89 million MORE dollars. REALLY?"

Dewey Weaver stated, literally hours before the settlement, that they would once and for all shut Rossi down. All the so-called experts were adamant; Rossi dug his own grave. The opposite happened (fact). Rossi defended his 10 mio and got (some of the) things back that IH owned him. The chatter of legal costs, difficulties to convince the jury, etc. were all spin.

"Great lengths? Rossi does this by himself! Please show ANY facts that APCO is discrediting Rossi. Seriously, any facts at all.

Please show any sock-puppets. List any names please. Rossi on the other hand has many socket puppets on his JONP.

Rossi needs NO assistance in discrediting himself.... he does a fine job by himself."

The mail with APCO as a recipient is proof enough. They were involved. Do you think they spin in plain sight? It is their profession to operate under the radar. And in regards to sock-puppets; Hinting at posters on this beautiful forum being sock-puppets will get you banned. Perhaps you should ask some of the moderators if they felt IH operatives were busy spinning things while IH needed some support. Dewey Weaver is accused of bashing Rossi for money. More?

"Uh... cannot prove a negative! Who are the members? Well, there were none other than Fabiovini (sp), Penon and Bass. Bass was a fake engineer who clearly is not with Rossi any more as far as we know. Fabiovin(sp) is a long time family friend and part of the charade. There have been several "associations" such as Clark, mysterious aero-engineers, etc. who have never supported Rossi after their dealings with him. (If they even existed) Even his latest, aspiring student Gulstrom, seems to have abandoned ship. Only Lewan remains loyal and he is kept at arms length."

Ask the Swedes if somebody is willing to discredit him. I did (fact) and i find it hard to get anything negative back. Carl-Oscar gone? I dare you, dear Sir using your own logic. Prove it.

"$10 million is not a gain for you? You must be very rich indeed!"

Rossi had a business deal with IH. As was stated he received 10 mio upfront. No scam. This was agreed. What is more important is that, in hindsight, i am sure Rossi rather would have avoided the leeches of IH. They almost sucked the life out of him, while empowering his competition. You want to know what a conmen look like? Check-out some of IH lauded investors and perhaps you find a few.

Cheers,

JB

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Why Do You doublepost ?

Forty-Two wrote:

It’s their ego. They would have to admit that they have been taken for a ride.

So, they rather hang on to some beliefs like “Rossi got some kind of LENR effects t his early days, but he just can’t stabilize and commercialise it”, or IH, Woodford, Big-Oil, the Bilderbergs and whoever conspire against Rossi.

BTW: Woodford surely wouldn’t have any problems with his funds now, when IH would have been able to prove that the e-cat works.

You forgot the SkullNBones, Rothschilds, and the big telecom companies. They all conspirate against AR.




But, in terms of ego, in my former company there was a CEO, which just could not admit, that he had made an error and placed a totally incompetent person on a position as head of consulting.

His ego forbid him for 8 years to see, realize, accept, admit, and correct that mistake. For sure in front of us, but I think also, in front of himself.

His ego was responsible for a lot of problems in the company, just because this incompetent person failed in her daily business, because she was not able to do the job. But the CEO was totally convinced, that she can, because HE HIMSELF had placed the person in this position.

Maybe, this ego is similar to that one, You mentioned.

barty wrote:

I guess most "believers" even would continue to whitewash if Rossi would release a video telling he fooled them and laughed about them all the time.

Even then some individuals would say that this is another "masterpiece" tactic to confuse the competition.

Yeah, totally agreed. But what is wrong with those people ?

we_cat_global wrote:

Hi seven_of_twenty ,

Tough, right? The moment when statements from insiders shake your ideology...

I guess Dewey Weaver does not get paid anymore...normally he would "strike" back with an over-the-top threat (something along the line of "check your inbox") within minutes.

Cheers,

JB

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I still would like to know, who told Dewey to bash AR.

Bob#2 wrote:

Fair enough!

I do you wish the best of luck in your ventures. Hopefully someone will be successful soon!

Sincerely,

Bob

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And may I ask, wo said that to Dewey ?

Bob#2 wrote:

Please see inserted below...

• IH being able to kickstart their LENR efforts during and after Rossi cooperation (Brillioun, Mizuno, patents, etc.);

IH was started before their association with Rossi. You are simply wrong about this. Also, IH has no connection with Brillioun... please show your facts.

Your concept here about IH is simply clouded by your view and acceptance of what Rossi has spewed.

• IH not being able to legally label him as a fraud.

Again, you are completely incorrect here. IH did NOT start the lawsuit. They were NOT filing a lawsuit to show Rossi a fraud. Rossi started the lawsuit and then walked away right before experts were ready to take the stand. IH new that the 10 million would not be reclaimed from Rossi as he put his fraudulently obtained 10 million into Condos (not LENR research!), So again, you are not seeing clearly. IH never started the lawsuit, but they sure stopped it. There was no need to continue paying large legal fees to "discredit or prove a fraud" of Rossi, as he had already did that via his depositions. Care to talk about fake customer, fake invoices, fake engineer, fake production, fake everything? How about him dropping his 1MW plant immediately to never talk about it again? A plant he stated had a COP over 80 and that ran for a year... HE stated (by the lawsuit) that it was worth 89 million MORE dollars. REALLY?

• IH (still) going to great lengths in discrediting Rossi (Uzi, APCO, sock-puppets, etc.);

Great lengths? Rossi does this by himself! Please show ANY facts that APCO is discrediting Rossi. Seriously, any facts at all.

Please show any sock-puppets. List any names please. Rossi on the other hand has many socket puppets on his JONP.

Rossi needs NO assistance in discrediting himself.... he does a fine job by himself.

• No team members that leave and discredit Rossi;

Uh... cannot prove a negative! Who are the members? Well, there were none other than Fabiovini (sp), Penon and Bass. Bass was a fake engineer who clearly is not with Rossi any more as far as we know. Fabiovin(sp) is a long time family friend and part of the charade. There have been several "associations" such as Clark, mysterious aero-engineers, etc. who have never supported Rossi after their dealings with him. (If they even existed) Even his latest, aspiring student Gulstrom, seems to have abandoned ship. Only Lewan remains loyal and he is kept at arms length.

$10 million is not a gain for you? You must be very rich indeed!

So how about you answering:

Rossi has stated since 2011 that he has sold at least 11 eCats to various customers. Is this true or a lie?

If true, did he simply abandon these customers? Is he still supporting them? Via who and how? NONE have came forward.

Rossi has announced partnerships with various industrial companies. ALL are no longer in play IF they ever were! No announcements from them were made.

Such as Seimens, ABB, NI and a couple of others. Zilch.

But one of the biggest and blatent clues is his repetitive lies. He is in a stuck loop. Makes announcements, demos, demos are bad, has customers, none ever come to fruitiion, makes claims such as SSM, electricity production, Sigma, etc. etc. then starts the entire loop over again. All without one piece of evidence that anything is real.

So you may say you look at the facts, but what you listed simply is not correct. If you take Rossi's word as fact, then you can believe almost anything. But when you look at facts outside "Rossi says", you have zero, zilch, nothing. Especially damning is Rossi's own depositions during the trial and his own 8 years of lying since 2011!

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This is the state of arts to participate in a proper discussion.

Let's see, if WCG will respond in a similar "proper" way, which I really doubt.

Again a very mysterious case.

Mostly many things are very likely to have the simplest answer revaling the truth:

BLP never sat there or they never worked there.

we_cat_global wrote:

Hi barty ,

Below again my thoughts on the "ballerina demo";

His "Puppet Demo" was one the smartest things i have ever encountered. And it baffles me that so little people see the brilliance of it. His objectives were;

1. Do not wake any sleeping dogs;
2. Have fun while making fun of your enemies;
3. Convince the more knowledgable of progress.

His build-up, with the help of "you guys", made sure quite a few people saw his presentation. Yet, only the people with in-depth knowledge of Rossi picked-up the confirmation of their ideas on him. People that did not know Rossi probably thought he was pretty weird and an amateur and therefore harmless. But the presentation was not aimed at them anyway. Let the dogs sleep for a while.

"The Haters", well aware of the Rossi story and impossible to convince anyhow, laughed and made fun of him. They did this in such a rigorous way that the biggest loser of the whole demo was Industrial Heat / Woodford. "How on earth was it possible that these self proclaimed pro's invested in this lunatic?" I can still not suppress a smile when i think of the face of Dewey Weaver / Thomas Darden / Woodford while watching the Rossi presentation. One of the biggest objectives of the demo was to make fun of them. And that objective was clearly met!

The third objective was to let the more positive, more informed parties know that Rossi made important progress. This group saw through the form and focussed on the content. I am not sure how things worked out, but i have the feeling this objective was also met.

So i do not agree with you that his demo's do not work. I think they work just fine and i am looking forward to another Rossi event.

Cheers,

JB

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Just by coincidence, two weeks ago I got the address of one of the best psycho-docs in my city. Do You want the address ?

Bob#2 wrote:

But Sam, Rossi himself stated he had achieved "Sigma 5" reliability! That means he states that his reactor works 99.99999% of the time!

I am truly interested in your logic of how you selectively list Rossi's "positive" posts but seem to simply forget the myriad of posts in which he not only contradicts himself, but effectively proves he lies.

Such as:

1) The many satisfied customers, all to be replaced by a "new" customer with the "new" reactor. Yet none are never made known. (Except the one where Rossi was the customer, caught in a big lie)

2) Tests all come to a point where everyone is very satisfied, but then a "new" reactor design pops up and never is mentioned again, the previous working reactor installations. Does Rossi simply abandon these installations?

3) These "new" and "better" reactors, never have a definitive advantage over the previous ones? Can you give specific information on how the SK is better than the QuarkX? The SK Leonardo is better than the SK? Yet his believers swallow this without question. I am truly interested on what these "improvements" are specifically. Actual data to show that a customer is willing to give up a "Sigma 5" certified reactor (ha!) for one that is not reliable.

4) His "fabulous team" is touted, but proven to be non-existent. During the Doral fiasco, we saw tax records and the people involved. Rossi had two people working with him... a long time family associate and a puppet, acting as "Chief Engineer" but actually doing nothing but repeating words dictated to him by Rossi.

... and the list could go on much longer...

Seriously... what logic do you (or any other Rossi believing posters here) use to turn a blind eye to the above (and much more) yet still cling to the belief he is truthful and has a working reactor? I am not being pretentious here. You often post support of Rossi, so you are publicly showing your belief in him, so I am not trying to paint an erroneous picture of you (or others). I really want to know what logic or data you have to erase the mountains of proven lies, deceit and fraud to keep holding on to his repetitive standard operating procedure...... make big claims, milk it for a while, announce tests, perform horrible tests, then start all over again and again and again... I do not understand your thinking and am truly interested in it.

It reminds me a bit of a certain people and the lottery. They purchase lottery tickets because they are sure they are going to win. When in reality, they almost certainly will not.... yet they are convinced the "next" drawing will be theirs! It appears to some, their belief in Rossi is similar.... the "next" big eCAt reactor announcement will be the "Real One"!

(Reference Charlie Brown and Lucy holding the football)

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Could not have summarized it better.

It is worth to conduct a study about how those "i still support Rossi" people think. If at all.

PhysicsForDummies wrote:

When Chuck Norris is in the room with the e-cat, it generates excess heat. Out of fear.

Yeah, this is the "Norris effect".

I think, this is, again, nothing else, then excuses. Either for "having not enough money or ressourcs or talented people".

The negative image on LENR ( mostly due to Rossi and BLP ) is really hard to overcome.
But it is even strenthened by pro-lenr's which assure, that there are no numbers which allow at least a slight way of orientation.

Look.

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"There are no experiments we can recommend with a guaranteed 100, 80, or even 50% chance of seeing an LENR effect. There is not a "top 3".

Fully agree.

This is a "totschlag Argument".

By stating this in such a self assured way, You now lost even the longest pro-lenr-believers.
There is no reason to pursue anything, which cannot even grant this.