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    Rob Woudenberg

    "Looks like there is some staff overlap between NASA's and US Navy's LENR activities, but let's post NASA's updates in the NASA thread."

    I see it differently... more than staff overlap.

    All are partners in the NASA AEC group, perhaps anything/everything from this partnership should be together. The AEC preceded the GEC Space Act agreement and is the NASA presence within it. The LCF is an offshoot/product of the AEC ongoing efforts. This list of AEC partners, freshly disclosed, is impressive. This list will grow as we learn more, certainly. These folks work in concert, different yet unified. The NAVY/JWK/SPAWAR/GEC has collaborated with NASA since '90. Inconclusive yet, the Navy et al DoD possibly created the AEC when bringing/sending GEC over to Plumb Brook Station.

    What we know.

    Tha AEC Project has been continuous since 2014. While the Atomic Energy Commission is a similiar AEC, oddly unrelated?

    The NASA Advanced Energy Conversiòn project timeline refers to pre or post AEC, while clearly SPAWAR Forsley et al has been working with AEC partners since early on.

    Also, ongoing research and applied engineering continues seperately at other Department of Defense facilities, supported by NASA's progress.


    NASA Glenn Research Center (GRC) Pre-AEC: (1989-2014)

    – “Advanced Energy Conversion (AEC) Project” AEC: (2014 - )

    • Develop a non-actinide space power system

    • Understand Condensed Matter Nuclear Reactions

    • US Navy (SPAWAR) (1989-2012)

    – NASA GRC and SPAWAR different processes, similar nuclear results

    – Additional funding provided by DTRA, ONR, DoE and NNSA

    • JWK/NAVY NCRADA (SPAWAR) (2008-2012)

    – “Study of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions I & II”

    • JWK/NAVY NCRADA (China Lake)

    – “Metal Interactions with Low Z Gasses” (2010-2012)

    • JWK/NAVY NCRADA (NSWC Dahlgren) (2015- )

    – “LENR Materials Design and Characterization”

    • DFT Model of LENR Active Materials

    • Correlate Co-deposition and B Field effects

    • Univ of Maryland (Tim Koeth, PhD) (2015-2016)

    – < 3 MeV LINAC unstable for our needs

    • DoE Jefferson National Lab (2016-2017)

    – AEC Project schedule and JLAB schedule did not match up

    • DoE Argonne National Lab (2017)

    – Van de Graaff generator unstable and did not meet our needs.

    • IBA Industrial (2017-2018)

    – Hosted most recent AEC experimental activity with 3 MeV Dynamitron

    • JWK/NAVY NCRADA (NSWC Indian Head) (2020- )

    – “Advanced Energy and Propulsion Research and Development”

    It seems like this just recently was put up at the NASA LFC site.

    Advanced Energy Conversion (AEC) Project

    NASA Glenn Research Center

    Lattice Confinement Fusion (LCF) Overview

    L. Forsley (Global Energy Corporation),

    T. Benyo (NASA GRC),

    B. Steinetz (NASA GRC),

    V. Pines (PineSci Consulting),

    M. Pines (PineSci Consulting),

    A. Chait (NASA GRC),

    L. Dudzinski (NASA HQ)

    Contributing Panelists

    M. Forsbacka (NASA HQ) and

    R. Litchford (NASA HQ)

    • NASA HQ Management

    – Dr. Thomas Zurbuchen, Dr. Lori Glaze, Mr. Eric Ianson, Mr. Len Dudzinski

    – Mr. Tom Cremins, Dr. John Grunsfeld, Mr. David Schurr, Mr. Paul Westmeyer

    • NASA Glenn Center Management

    – Dr. Marla Perez-Davis, Dr. Rickey Shyne, Mr. Bryan Smith, Mr. David Stringer, Mr. John Hamley, Dr. Tibor Kremic

    – Mr. Jim Free, Dr. Janet Kavandi

    – Mr. Ray Lugo, Dr. Jih Fen Lei

    • NASA Review Panel

    – Dr. Michael Houts, Dr. Ron Litchford, Mr. John Scott, Dr. Matthew Forsbacka

    August 19, 2020

    Also, a new paper

    Fast Neutron Spectroscopy With Organic Scintillation Detectors in a High-Radiation Environment

    I am interested in adding more failure to pay suits against Leonardo Corporation to my list.


    I am looking for records of real estate purchases by Andrea Rossi and/or business records/licence for Andre Rossi real estate rental transactions.

    Addresses supplied would help.

    ...significant amount of Doral costs billed to IH that were contractually identified as being the responsibility of Leonardo...

    Seems insignificant to IH considering they are solvent and apparently deeper invested in this field than ever before.

    I learn something new every day.

    The unexpected...

    I trust everyone to be themselves.

    The expected..

    Perhaps a Leoardo Corporation thread exploring monies taken, monies earned, monies returned and estimated/documented cash flow over the past 10+ years.

    Beyond the oddly conducted IH fiasco...

    Liability and legal expenses for ongoing lawsuits should be included to get a fuller picture.

    This stills begs the question... Money?

    I believe Rossi has what he says he has and is not a scamming con man.

    Leonardo Corporation (LC) has not taken any money or recieved investment capital that we can find a record of, nor monies for a product offered or licencing agreement for such.

    Unlike Brillouin or BLP, or even GEC, LC operates with anomolous energy. Like the eveready bunny he keeps going and going. The question is how?

    A few important facts I keep in mind while considering this. Advanced CMNS has led to LENR Energy technologies (LENR-Heat, LENR-Electric, LENR-Transmutation) being emergent along many fronts, in many countries from different organizations. Leonardo Corporation and Global Energy Corporation are the only groups offering (LENR-Electric) products; electrical current flowing from CMNS nuclear processes.

    I believe they each have what they say they have.

    In the meantime...

    Fractal geometry, self organizing plasma, nano physics, meta materials, weak and strong force nuclear harmonics, nuclear batteries, quasi-fission quasi fusion, dendritic phases, cosmic rays, muons and the study of regolith moondust.. These, and other fairly new, related arts of science are where we are advancing this science.

    In many ways though, new physics builds on old physics while changing it. New arts are always surprising us... providing insight. Some people keep up on this never ending process, while others don't.

    Yes, LENR Energy Tech is emergent along many fronts. GEC and LC will follow through with LENR-E products or get beat by others with LENR-Heat, LENR-Transmutation, or perhaps even LENR-Electric products.

    In the meantime I read alot and wonder about things like this. It is likely most here, on this thread, will not Google, study or attempt to grok it.

    This is of interest. Might something like this be occuring on the nano scale in the low energy nuclear reaction environment?

    It was also presented/published at MIT, titled "Fractal Reactor Re-Creating the Sun" Todd Siler 4/12/2007

    "Fractal Reactor An Alternative Nuclear Fusion System Based on Nature's Geometry" Todd Lael Siler 2007

    The Fractal Reactor concept uniquely combines both magnetic and quasi-inertial confinement mechanisms (see Figures 3-5). The fractal magnets are designed to approximate the gravitational forces in a star that contribute to the compressional heating of plasmas in conjunction with the common dynamo phenomenon; this event commonly occurs when the self-organizing, superheated plasmas generate their own intense magnetic fields, which, in turn, sustain their high-temperatures and density.


    Sahin, S. (Gazi University, Technical Education Faculty, Ankara (Turkey)); Gazi University, Ankara (Turkey); Bahcesehir University, Istanbul (Turkey). Funding organisation: Ministry of Culture and Tourism (Turkey); Turkish Atomic Energy Authority - TAEA (Turkey); Turkish Scientific and Technical Research Council - TUBITAK (Turkey); International Centre for Hydrogen Energy Technologies of United Nations Industrial Development Organization - UNIDO ICHET (United Nations Industrial Development Organisation (UNIDO)); International Science and Technology Center - ISTC (Russian Federation); 286 p; ISBN 978-975-01805-0-7; Worldcat; 2007; p. 239-246; 13. International Conference on Emerging Nuclear Energy Systems; Istanbul (Turkey); 3-8 Jun 2007; Also available from the author by e-mail: [email protected]

    A bit of history...…in-this-1950s-science-kit

    Interesting muons...

    "Muon-catalyzed fusion on thin-atmosphere planets or moons using cosmic rays for muon generations"

    Does this shed light on the advanced PineScie LENR working theory? This patent was filed by Jerome Drexler and is cited by the PineScie/NASA 2016 patent ((Navy/GEC/NASA GRC Lattice Confinenent Fusion et al).

    Vladimir Pines is an expert in this field of study.

    Inventions by Jerome Drexler

    For comparison, the PineScie patent from the Lattice Confinement Fusion folks...

    Inventor Vladimir Pines

    Assignee PineScie Consulting

    First iteration, filed 2016.


    Vladimir Pines, Marianna Pines, Bruce Steinetz, Arnon Chait, Gustave Fralick, Robert Hendricks, Paul Westmeyer


    PineScie Consulting and Glenn Research Center NASA


    The first iteration has patent citations worth studying.

    Like the Tionesta patent and this from China...

    JWK is the parent corporation of GEC.

    Jay Wook Khim at GEC.

    These are the GEC LENR energy tech products entering the market.

    To paraphrase Dennis Bushnell 2012 LENR is not a narrow bandset of physical phenomena... many materials and excitation methods...

    The inventors of the recent Navy patent are certainly working with these more advanced LENR energy tech reactors as well as the one presented. Why they lay claim to a portion of Rossi's patented process is beyond me...