Posts by LeBob

Quote from Wyttenbach

You miss the point: Nobody can avoid that people patent old knowledge. The simplest thing you can do is just write the USPTO a letter with the known published facts. Mills knows this problem too as H* has first been patented by Santilli! Hydrinos are just a try to work around this fact.

H*-H* at 495.8 eV is the only stable form of Hydrogen and can be exactly calculated by SO(4) physics. All other "Hydrino states" are resonances = temporary masses that do interact with other masses and produce intermittent radiation. These temporary masses are important in the down & upscaling of LENR energy. All forms of orbit bound masses as H*-H* is one too, do follow the chemical orbit formula and the agreement Mills see's is pretty close but not as good as it could be. The measurements you post are interesting but give no well defined picture because the variation is way to large.

I'm quite happy that he published his measurements as they allowed to verify the SO(4) formula.

Just to say: Even Deuterium can be modeled by the chemical formula with a pretty high agreement.

The problem of the SUN-CELL is that H*-H* is a dead end with a pretty low COP. As long as Mills does not understand how the structure of dense mass looks like, he will not find a way to further induce H*-H*-A LENR. That's what the Russians do with a much simpler process.

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Hey, what does H*-H*-A stand for?

Quote from axil

If you just stop to think about the transmutation process, it is a very amazing thing.

The literature on quark confinement cites an estimate of the force required to separate quarks as being 15 tons. If transmutation splits protons and neutrons apart and reassembles them into a ball of new elements, there are hundreds of quarks involved. Where does all that power come from in the gut of a fungus? And none of that power, not a single electron volt, leaks out to give the fungus any gut distress.

I think that this tremendous amount of disruptive and confining power comes from the vacuum. The gut of the fungus knows how to prevode the vacuum into ripping apart a pile of protons and neutrons and then confine that digested matter into the elements that the fungus wants.

The force required, the force that only a supernova could supply, to do that function is truly awesome. I want to know how to control that power, how to use that power, don't you? If fungus can do it, why can't we?

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I'm just as curious as the next guy and i want to experience this amazing potencial. but i'm just observant of the whole vacuum augmented energy thing that's all. I agree it would be awesome! if all the produced potencial is released by atomic and chemical guts better than current sources it's good enough for me!

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Just a suggestion for Axil. Please size your images to not larger than 640 x 480 unless absolutely necessary for resolution and in any case, no larger than needed. Huge images require lots of annoying scrolling and can transiently mess up some displays.

For some, but for people with higher resolution displays that can clear it up the detail is appreciated!

axil I here you. Just trying to absorb all possible angles and work within E=mc^2. I would say, as Bob and others have, that alot of the transmutation reactions are also endothermic or weakly exothermic. They will use up fusion and fission energy producers around them instead of damaging it. Also life is what I like to call God's nanotechnology with the right arrangements you could have LENR reactions that only consume what is needed and nothing more... Though I'm surprised that if it is sapposedly present in life as many claim, how come no life formed to have it as a main energy source?

Mass involved may also include subatomic particles and altered states of matter that are harder to measure. So things we aren't consistently detecting can be a part of the process both exothermically and endothermically. At least with realitively low budget experiments.

I'm liking this thread already *Gets Popcorn*.

Made this comment on the EVO thread not sure if it would be more appropriate to post it here, cause that isn't what it is about! Will delete the one that is least appropriate if necessary.

It is the ego that causes us to avoid comparison and shun compromise between theories and experimental procedures to find truth. I say try as much as possible that has been backed by the research and math of others even if parts of our pet theory may be disproven. Physics and chemistry are both important in this field as well as nano tech and electromagnetic processes. The general forming picture seems to be, as a newcomer looking and observing for the past couple years, that novel hydrogen (HH, hh or DD, dd) based exotic matter structures enable energetic chemical/nuclear reactions, transmutation with little radiation and mostly stable products. I may be wrong but to intuit that these supposedly "competing" ideologies are describing the same thing or slight variations of the same process is on the good side of crazy.

One thing I will say, this is not some pseudoscience scalar wave overunity energy thing, those ideas are holding us back from understanding the strange but real nuclear/chemical/quantum processes. The active agent is real, cause there are exotic objects that are not organised the same as standard matter. Whether it is a Hydroton, exotic matter cluster condensate whatever, if it's real it works within math and the fundamental laws of physics! A beautiful denser substance that can pass through matter as well as affect it stronger than anything we control presently. The most awesome thing is you can create a black hole like effect with the right situation, releasing copious amounts of energy and plowing through stable elements powerfully. Maybe this is actually instrumental in powering the stars, the planets, comprises most dark matter and what we now call black holes. I Admire Shoulders for his black hole analogy, clarifying that there may be more than just chemical and expected 'easy' fission/fusion pathways going on, something a lot more explosive yet safer. I guess it is changing the fundamental foundations of stable matter and causing matter to disintegrate. Holmid, Mills and Wyttenbach makes a lot of sense to me as well. Bob Greeners work with the transmutation charts and stuff is encouraging At the moment to!

Are the different theories really that different though??? Who's to say that the Hydroton does not exist at the same time as Mills like hydrogen chemical power releases? Again we can label things and put up fences but it's like trying to trademark a fundamental (O + HH = H2O + e) reaction. This is a new class of complex matter energy interactions that are going on all over the place and present all over the universe. Just like there are many different chemical reactions and understood brute force isotopic nuclear reactions involving unstable elements and high energy inputs, there will be varieties of approaches that may all work at varying levels. Like burning wood or a fuel cell just quite a few orders of a magnitude more cosmic in application and energy density.

It is the ego that causes us to avoid comparison and shun compromise between theories and experimental procedures to find truth. I say try as much as possible that has been backed by the research and math of others even if parts of our pet theory may be disproven. Physics and chemistry are both important in this field as well as nano tech and electromagnetic processes. The general forming picture seems to be, as a newcomer looking and observing for the past couple years, that novel hydrogen (HH, hh or DD, dd) based exotic matter structures enable energetic chemical/nuclear reactions, transmutation with little radiation and mostly stable products. I may be wrong but to intuit that these supposedly "competing" ideologies are describing the same thing or slight variations of the same process is on the good side of crazy.

One thing I will say, this is not some pseudoscience scalar wave overunity energy thing, those ideas are holding us back from understanding the strange but real nuclear/chemical/quantum processes. The active agent is real, cause there are exotic objects that are not organised the same as standard matter. Whether it is a Hydroton, exotic matter cluster condensate whatever, if it's real it works within math and the fundamental laws of physics! A beautiful denser substance that can pass through matter as well as affect it stronger than anything we control presently. The most awesome thing is you can create a black hole like effect with the right situation, releasing copious amounts of energy and plowing through stable elements powerfully. Maybe this is actually instrumental in powering the stars, the planets, comprises most dark matter and what we now call black holes. I Admire Shoulders for his black hole analogy, clarifying that there may be more than just chemical and expected 'easy' fission/fusion pathways going on, something a lot more explosive yet safer. I guess it is changing the fundamental foundations of stable matter and causing matter to disintegrate. Holmid, Mills and Wyttenbach makes a lot of sense to me as well. Bob Greeners work with the transmutation charts and stuff is encouraging At the moment to!

Quote from Storms

I find only confusion in the effort to combine LENR with the EVO of Shoulders, the hydrino of Miles, the Muon of Holmild, and the Hydroton of Storms. These concepts are each so incompletely understood and so different, trying to talk about them in the same discussion is rather pointless.

As for the Hydroton idea, I believe and the behavior shows that this chemical structure is only stable in a gap having a very narrow range of values. It forms by a normal chemical process involving release of Gibbs energy and it remains stable as long as the Gibbs energy required to cause decomposition is not available. However, once formed, it allows an unusual kind of nuclear interaction to take place that results in fusion of the hydrogen isotopes in the Hydroton and transmutation with nuclei present in the gap structure. Once form, it does not move because this would require too much chemical energy, which is not available.

If you want to understand how the Hydroton forms and remains chemically stable, you only need to apply the well known laws of thermodynamics. Nothing about how the Hydroton forms or remains chemically stable is unusual. Except for its ability to support nuclear reactions, it acts like an ordinary chemical structure. Even if the condition is called "the proton-metallic lattice form a complex intermediate nucleus" (Miley), chemical rules and behavior are involved and must be acknowledged.

If you want to apply your imagination, I suggest you focus on how a chemical structure can cause a nuclear reaction and how the energy can be dissipated as heat without producing radiation detectable outside of the apparatus. Nevertheless, the radiation is detectable when measured inside the apparatus without the intervening mass. Rather than generating word salad, I suggest any effort to create a theory acknowledge what is known in chemistry because this is not just a physics problem.

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Are they really that different though??? Who's to say that the Hydroton does not exist at the same time as Mills like hydrogen chemical power releases? Again we can label things and put up fences but it's like trying to trademark a fundamental (O + HH = H2O + e) reaction. This is a new class of complex matter energy interactions that are going on all over the place and present all over the universe. Just like there are many different chemical reactions and understood brute force isotopic nuclear reactions involving unstable elements and high energy inputs, there will be varieties of approaches that may all work at varying levels. Like burning wood or a fuel cell just quite a few orders of a magnitude more cosmic in application and energy density.

Quote from axil

Why did Ken Shoulders name the EVO an exotic vacuum object...because that is exactly what it is.

The LHC found that the Higgs field (aka vacuum) is set on the finest of points.

Calculations show that if the mass of the Higgs boson were just a few times heavier and everything else stayed the same, protons could no longer assemble into atoms, and there would be no complex structures—no stars or living beings. So, what if our universe really is as accidentally fine-tuned as a pencil balanced on its tip, singled out as our cosmic address from an inconceivably vast array of bubble universes inside an eternally frothing “multiverse” sea simply because life requires such an outrageous accident to exist?

The Higgs field is set exactly on its tipping point, just like if water was set at its triple point

If the strength of the Higgs field is increased or decreased by the slightest amount then there would be a change of state that would occur in the vacuum. For example, if water is moved off its triple point in the slightest way, it would begin to transform into a vapor, or a liquid, or ice.

In like manner to what happens in a change in state of water, If the strength of the vacuum changes in the slightest, then atoms would not exist, neither would electrons or protons; all matter would resolve down to pure energy.

There are processes that exist in nature in electromagnetic and particle interactions and in chemistry that create a tightly confined bubble of the Higgs field whose strength is different from that finely tuned value that keeps our universe from falling apart. This is what an EVO is, a rouge perturbative bubble of the vacuum.

The EVO can begin its existence as an nanoscopic object, but its effect on matter is still potent. As it grows in size into the macroscopic, its vacuum state may change, but its effect on matter remains the same, when the EVO reaches a macroscopic size, its effects on matter remain constant throughout its lifecycle. What matters is that the vacuum state confined inside the EVO is different than the value of the vacuum throughout the rest of the universe.

Whatever matter that this bubble of the vacuum contacts will dissociate and dissolve into energy. When the true Higgs field is restored, then matter will assemble into its usual state of protons, electrons, and atoms just like this formation of matter happened soon after the big bang occured when the Higgs field assumed its current strength.

This is how and why transmutation occurs in LENR...matter to energy and then back to matter.

Inside that EVO with its own vacuum state, there exists another universe where life and matter cannot survive.

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TBH this is the best i've seen this interpretation or theory described since i've been following this, but i'm wondering if the same affect can be achieved with a condensed matter arrangement. I agree with the matter to energy thing the disruption of a fine balance. ATM I'm not even sure if the universe is expanding or the redshift background is actually the result of what we call dark matter, that isn't actually dark just dim. In my mind it's condensed exotic matter based energy in a steady state/yoyo universe approach or the standard dark energy expanding universe model, ohh yea in which EVOs change the fundamental values of the vacuum.. That just sounds almost metaphysical. I'm not even sure if these two approaches are at odds or I am just looking at it wrong. Open to the amazing possibilities, Thanks!

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LeBob maybe you can help me here and being an example of two either joining efforts of one of them giving up in.favor of another one. Like, we just realized than NAE and phonon theory are the same ....

I honestly believe they are looking at the same hydrogen phenomena that is a precursor and one of the machinations that drive LENR. The dark matter thing is important to, and the novel claim that the cosmic background radiation is the absorption spectra for condensed hydrogen.

I don't think either of them is a hundred percent wrong that's why I put them together.

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I calculate ~100,000 D-D fusions to vaporise a micron hole..maybe I made a mistake?

Perhaps the 100,000 D-Ds have a consensus before deciding on the blow

Maybe it's not all D-D fusion. If you have a condensed Hydrogen construct with similar behavior to a micro black hole, some energetic dense hydrogen charged plasmoid torus... More like matter evaporation in a spinning black holes accretion disk. Much better than fusion, complete releasing and recondensing of the atomic structure. The transmutation is always to stable elements. Maybe..

Quote from Max Nozin

not going to happen or out modern science is not what it is

Confused as to what you mean???

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"Mills/Holmid/Wyttenbach" would it be nice to ask all three before putting it this way?

True good point. Amazingly the Suncell and the HH to hh reactions is more than good enough as it is. I'm in full support of the current proposed products even without any nuclear reactions.

On your point, I would love them to chime in and say there view on it.

Quote from axil

The micro cavity is a source of LENR activity as you propose, but with the advent of LENR fuel, it has been found that the NAE is mobile. SEM micrographs from many experiments have shown that once the NAE has formed, it can move as a particle. Before me356 went dark, he shared with us some SEMs that show how the NAE can exit the place where it formed and move over a surface transmuting elements as it goes. See this here below. The evolution of elements from transmutation is shown by increased atomic weight as the transmutation tracks get whiter near the ends of the tracks. These tracks are forming on carbon tape.

https://www.lenr-forum.com/ima…zA5LzMtNzY4eDgxNi5qcGc%3D

That's why I think a micro chip approach makes solid state LENR valid, because you can create macroscopic reaction sites that hold the active agent/catalyst. Also with adaptation of lab on a chip technology fuel can be piped in with microtubes. Due to mass production processes and cheap source materials once the chips burn out in a year or so you replace them like a printer ink cartridge. Any transmutation products get smelted out during the recycling process. I can dream 😂.

Was interesting following this!

Quote from Shane D.

Yes...the latest videos show they still have much work left. From my understanding, they feel the reaction is ironclad. With the low cost to build, it would be revolutionary...if they could get it to work 7/24/365. That will be an expensive R/D project, and will soon court new investors so they can finish the job.

Lots of excitement on the team after these latest tests. They seem genuinely frustrated, that few outside BLP are as excited as they are.

I am excited, just waiting on a serious release to show it without caution! The Mills/Holmid/Wyttenbach worldview is very intreging when viewed altogether.

Quote from Wyttenbach

How is H*-H* aka Hydrino 1/4 remidied ??? We know from others that it can hang around and change the properties of matter. I would never stay a long time in this lab when the SUN-Cell is running for a longer periode.

There was one experiment (last year) that did show the chamelion nature of 56Fe +H* that acted in between 57Fe & 57Co....

May be this leads to new vitamins...

Best: Mills team finds a path to LENR.... (finally..)

Ya BLP is taking the bonfire approach instead of trying to squeeze as much energy as possible out of the reactor. Theory is what is limiting them not reality. If they worked together with other similar ideas, that are different in good ways, they would have finish a mobile stable prototype already!? What possibilities do you see? I'm here to learn mostly.

Quote from Shane D.

Seven of Twenty had it right with his cartoon. It is just an old joke, because NDA's are a common excuse used in the field. One in particular is the man from Italy. To be clear; I have no NDA with BLP.

Got it!

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I signed an NDA.

If true, that is a good sign! Do you think it's purely a novel chemical reaction or there may be nuclear elements in power production as well? Did you view just thermal pool experiments or did you by chance get a peak at the working ceramic MHD design.. Hopefully this isn't on the NDA lol.

It would be nice if those with similar theories worked together to fill holes in each other's propositions! I don't think Mills theory is one hundred percent correct. Hopeful about the reality of the energy source, I am inclined to be skeptically optimistic!

Think layered texture and small scale structural lenr sites on a chip that can be triggered to all release individually or together predictably.

Quote from JedRothwell

That is what Mizuno thinks. In the spaces and in the surface layers. I think that is also what the Storms theory predicts.

And the same processes used to make modern microchips and allow integrated circuits would be valuable to solid state LENR devices.

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Perhaps muons or muon catalysed fusion is not needed.

Though it isn't needed for excess energy, muons may unleash the amount of energy or the number of hydrogen shrinking reactions needed per fusion reaction. Also Holmid's muon process was laser driven and the hydrogen process radiates extremely high energy light, it could open a muon production in a condensed hydrogen cluster whether it's needed or not! You put the image i had in my mind in words better than I could right now, about the possible symbiotic domino effects.