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Certain conditions can induce self organized phenomena. I believe when this self organization reaches a critical level that atoms, electrons, and ions start to become coherent (especially electrons) and the anomalies start to appear.

In the case of Dr. Egely's system, I would suggest he take a blank, smooth cathode and intentionally create different individual reaction sites to see which are the best at emitting EVOs. He could not only adjust the size, shape, and geometry of emission sites, but he could even do things like implant small micro-diamonds doped with hydrogen or some other gas to have a negative electron affinity and a very low work function. I think it also wouldn't hurt for him to build a classic Shoulders EVO test system and play around with different emitters. The key for these experiments (unless a large budget or large manpower could be acquired) would not be to learn everything about EVOs but simply how to optimize their formation so they can produce the most power output for the smallest input. Since EVOs desperately need electrons, I wonder, for example, if ionizing the environment of the reactor would be a good idea. For example, what if he fed a small amount of RF energy into the gas?

Hello me356,

First of all, I would like to thank you for coming out and sharing information with this community again. In years past, you shared quite a bit of information and you've continued communicating with Bob Greenyer. I am certain that your level of understanding of the core processes that allow for LENR have continued to grow and increase. Interestingly, you were ahead of virtually everyone else back then, and I'm fairly certain you could be so now as well. However, the reality is that since the core essence of the cold fusion or LENR reaction is the creation/stimulation/utilization of coherent matter structures, I am also certain that you know that the ultimate path forward: the production of macro-scale self organized coherent matter structures. You demonstrated these in some of your previous tests in which the negative resistance regime was utilized in your reactors to create self organized "striations" (ion acoustic waves are the signature of these). From what has been said by yourself and Bob Greenyer, it was this setup which produced not only heat but strange radiation as termed by the Russians.

I am convinced that the ultimate cold fusion or LENR device would be a free floating (so as not to touch any component of the reactor and destroy it) self organized "fireball" or EVO. With a modest but non-trivial amount of tinkering, the gas composition, gas pressure, input wave forms, electrode shape, electrode distance, and other parameters could be adjusted to maximize the self organization. The result would be excess energy out in many forms: especially extreme UV light which is characteristic of many different systems that produce self organized plasmas.

I suppose my question to you is if you are willing to discuss these concepts of pure plasma based systems (not completely pure because they will contain at least small amounts of particles sputtered off the electrodes) that produce self organized structures. They are the answer not only to unlimited clean energy but also gravity control. Since scientists in laboratories have been playing with self organized systems "the classic ball of fire mode plasma" for a hundred years or longer, there are powerful corporate interests who discovered the gravity and/or inertia manipulating effect long ago. I literally believe that the public world is playing catch up with the "black" world when it comes to the development of these technologies.

If you would talk with us not only about your work on Mizuno replications but your knowledge of self organized systems, it would be appreciated.

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Hello,

meshes will work, if not then they will with my help.

Mizuno prepared very nice experiment with very strong and usable results that one can do at home basically. It is already covered by IP, is safe and very easy in comparison to other.

In our laboratory we are working on a very different kind of reactors with very different fuel and LENR mechanism for many years. This technology was working already in 2015 and is same that was tested in AURA by MFMP.

It seems that even years after there is big misunderstanding what AURA was, while I was waiting for details that will be published.

It was very well conducted experiment with a proper equipment, the only issue was that MFMP arrived to me without asking if everything is prepared and finished from me. Right before the crew started their jorney I was strongly insisting the reactor was not ready and it will require at least days until it will be prepared for testing. I even dont know if all members were clearly informed ahead, because I was talking mainly with Bob. But flights were already prepared and I was just amazed. And so the result was very uncertain from the beginning. However we spent nice time and all was very professional. From then I had no need or intention to continue in a public testing. And all was and is perfect

Now I really dont care about if you believe or not. If you are interested, I recommend to continue with Mizuno replication.

I really dont need your money. So it is up to you.

We can ship you also over 1000 clear (in-stock), unprepared meshes if needed for replication purposes. Parameters are exactly as per Mizuno protocol. But with our prepared meshes it should be plug and play.

I recommend to stick with this experiment. I have to send many thanks again for such gift from Mizuno.

I am sure that Alan will make it work. I really appreciate people that are skilled in the art. I mean not by talking about it, but if you really know how to hold stuff and do the experiments in reality. I really appreciate how carefully he is doing the experiments.

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The term EVO is very generic. This term covers a broad array of different phenomenon. Yet I think a few of the characteristics of different types of EVOs are all the same. First, they are created by out of equilibrium conditions (another generic term). Secondly, they are self organized out of chaos. Third, they contain a population of ions, electrons, or neutral particles in a coherent state.

The viscosity of the water and the dynamics of the cavitation bubble collapse will change with water temperature. A few years ago I performed an in depth review of cavitation in general (I've forgotten a lot of what I learned), but I know that the power (not the best term) of a cavitation bubble collapse can change significantly with temperature.

Have there been any replications yet of George Egely's setup?

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When I became interested in the field of LENR more than a decade ago, I looked at the various theories that were popular back then. I eventually came upon the work of Yeong E. Kim who was working on the polariton condensate theory of the LENR reaction as early as the 1990s. This theory looked like the most promising among all the contenders at that time. Kim was a pathbreaker in LENR theory, Dr Kim was the first person to use the term Bosenova in his ICCF-17 theory paper when he witnessed the explosion of intensely magnetic clusters inside the core of the Defkalion R-5 reactor. Bosenova is a term uniquely connected with polariton condensation, since experimental work has been done to characterize the Bosenova. In my opinion, the Bosenova is the source of energy production in LENR.

Even at such an early time, Kim saw the EVO and the Bosenova in action inside the R-5 reactor. I present again what Dr Kim thought about the LENR reaction as follows:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.c…/06/a-veterans-voice.html

Here is some of the research on the Bosenova done that shows how difficult this subject is.

https://www.nist.gov/news-even…stein-condensate-bosenova

The most interesting finding is the loss of matter during the Bosenova:

"The condensate first shrinks as expected, but rather than gradually clumping together in a mass, there is instead a sudden explosion of atoms outward. This "explosion," which actually corresponds to a tiny amount of energy by normal standards, continues for a few thousandths of a second. Left behind is a small cold remnant condensate surrounded by the expanding gas of the explosion. About half the original atoms in the condensate seem to have vanished in that they are not seen in either the remnant or the expanding gas cloud."

One of Bob Greenyer's finding about the EVO is that matter disappears when the EVO explodes. IMHO, there exists a Domain wall that keeps the processes that occur inside the EVO separated from what happens in the environment. This is why an EVO can exist inside a plasma. When an EVO explodes, that domain wall remains in place for the initial stages of Bosenova. This initial stage is when the matter is lost. In the latter stages of the explosion, the Domain wall disappears and the explosion leaves its mark on the environment. This latter stage of the Bosenova is when the EVO produces gainful energy.

In his ball lightning experiments, Kiril B. Chukanov generates something akin to ball lightning about 20cm across that can last indefinitely in his apparatus. He says in his patent that when he shines a laser on it, rather than the laser going through it and out the other end, the light is redirected and travels along the ball's surface and does not penetrate the inside of the ball. The same behavior occurs when an electron current is applied to the surface of the ball. An attempt to penetrate the ball with a metal rod even results in a deformation of the plasma ball without any penetration.

In terms of power production during EVO Bosenova, it is important to understand how the EVO behaves through the Bosenova energy production process. Understanding the Bosenova is where research should be done on the EVO.

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Please be aware that Kiril's ball lightning only remains for as long as he continues applying input power. In his case, this is the application of Ghz microwave power.

George needs to produce on EVO at a time from different emitter sites and try to characterize the phenomenon and optimize it.

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You are not alone in your conclusions about these presentations. When I saw Bob Greenyer at the recent IWAHLM-15 workshop, I encouraged him to write up a concise summary of his reviews of these phenomena, as I found his mountains of videos impassable. He replied that he wanted to keep his work hidden amongst this forest of verbiage on purpose, to screen out the people whom he didn't want to have access to his findings. I wasn't able to get further clarification on this point before his attention was drawn elsewhere, as it so often is. It's quite a shame, because he has made extensive review of some very interesting and important observations and research that isn't otherwise well-documented, and I believe that a readable summary would be of distinct value to many other interested people.

There needs to be a well funded and staffed EVO research program.

Teslas tech had amazing properties because he was creating coherent matter

I have extensively studied Chukanov's presentations, and in some of them he softens his stance on the interior of the plasma ball being a total void. I do think that being surrounded by a coherent matter structure, which can probably reflect vacuum fluctuations with far better efficiency than ordinary matter, alters the properties of that region. I have multiple reasons to believe this. However, I'm also not convinced that there are only two states for the interior, nothingness or some exotic kind of space and normal space. Depending on the density of the coherent matter layer, there may be intermediate phases.

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A quantum macro-object (QMO) does have a domain wall. Chukanov found inserting a metal rod seemed to encounter a wall. It like slamming one hand on a desk. There is big difference in density between the air and the desk. One proposes that the "nucleus" of the QMO has organized particle to particle interaction which resembles a solid.

I have shown the math that governs that organization is electronuclear gravity. It is not 2D.

One characteristic of Brown's Gas is that (even if you don't accept them as EVOs) it contains extra electrons. According to George Wiseman and others, Brown's Gas contains what's called Electrically Expanded Water that has became gaseous due to electrical charge rather than heating. If this is true then the ignited Brown's Gas flame could be also considered as something similar to an electron beam. If the electron beam collides with let's say a piece of Tungsten, it could induce charge bunching or compression on the surface, inducing self organization and a double layer of coherent matter. This coherent matter could then induce transmutations or other processes that lead to the destruction of the Tungsten. Or, even if a macro-layer of coherent matter doesn't form, it could induce smaller scale surface plasmon polaritons that could start damaging the sample.

How far are we from someone incorporating Storms method of inserting inert calcium oxide particles into LENR fuel into the material of the LEC?

I think the problem with pulsed systems is that when you launch an EVO from a negative cathode that the electrode will be damaged. Kenneth Shoulders witnessed this with his devices. In my opinion, it's probably better to build systems with a free floating EVO that continually produces energy in multiple forms. Obviously, one form is heat because when the EUV from an excited plasma ball hits the walls of the reactor, the ultraviolet light will be thermalized. However, these systems also produce electricity directly in the form of plasma oscillations that can seen on an oscilloscope. I also think there may be a way of pulsing a free floating plasma ball so that it is not destroyed but is destabilized slightly and releases some of it's stored power.

My tentative understanding is that EVOs, especially in their highly excited white state, continually produce energy - not only when their double layers collapse and the fall apart. However, there is a huge surge of output when they are destroyed. So the choice becomes whether to design a system that constantly creates and destroys them OR a system that utilizes a steady state EVO.

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Thanks CoherentMembrane - it's good if they can get reliable results comparing bulbs/tubes driven at different frequencies and waveforms.

The problem is that virtually everyone who starts building and testing gets money hungry, goes secretive, and don't share their results openly. It is beyond frustrating. I've heard of amazing results from teams that folded and now the data is lost forever.

A system like Egely's needs to be optimized to the max and then tested in a way that is convincing. For example, being powered by a straight DC supply that is constantly measured and the output doing mechanical work. This would be very convincing, but the losses involved may be greater than the energy produced.

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One of our members, CoherentMembrane is very knowledgable about the work of Henry Moray. He might care to comment on this.

I studied his work some time ago. The connections to the EVO phenomenon make his work very interesting. Although I do not trust the exact figures, I do believe many of his systems produced a net gain of energy.

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We can dream...

That is not very nice. No one should wish suffering on another human.

I do think that while different Rossi and Egely's devices are working on similar principles.

Frogfall,

I know the measurements must be performed carefully to avoid errors, but measuring the lumen output is a way of determining the COP of the device. I have heard of multiple parties that measured the light output from similar systems and found a net gain of energy.

EVOs constantly spray out high energy electrons even when they are in a stable mode.