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    Good article comparing Ivermectin vs Remdesivir, and lastly mentions Nitazoxanide:


    Horowitz: The $cience of remdesivir vs. ivermectin: A tale of two drugs – Politico Fire


    What caught my eye though was this comment about US hospitals getting an extra 20% payment to use Remdesivir:


    "However, remdesivir does have a lot of political science behind it. Aside from having the weight of Big Pharma pushing it (and it was concocted by UNC-Chapel Hill, curiously the same institution at the center of the coronavirus gain-of-function research), hospitals get a 20% bonus for using it!"

    How 4 Calls on Animal Ivermectin Launched a False FDA-Media Attack | BAK Message Board Posts
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    Horse-Bleep: How 4 Calls on Animal Ivermectin Launched a False FDA-Media Attack on a Life-Saving Human Medicine

    Our investigative reporters dug up the FDA memos documenting the start of a propaganda campaign, and got The New York Times to correct its false reporting.

    Mary Beth Pfeiffer10 hr ago

    The Propaganda That Started The Big Lie:

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    In a hokey tweet on August 21, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration told Americans the obvious: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”


    Everyone knew what “it” was: an animal form of the drug ivermectin that folks were said to be using, widely, for covid-19. Don’t, said FDA.


    Within two days, 23.7 million people had seen that Pulitzer-worthy bit of Twitter talk. Hundreds of thousands more got the message on Facebook, LinkedIn, and from the Today Show’s 3 million-follower Instagram account.


    “That was great!” declared FDA Acting Commissioner Janet Woodcock in an email to her media team. “Even I saw it!” For the FDA, the “not-a-horse” tweet was “a unique viral moment,” a senior FDA official wrote to Woodcock, “in a time of incredible misinformation.”


    There was one problem, however. The tweet was a direct outgrowth of wrong data—call it misinformation—put out the day before by the Mississippi health department. The FDA did not vet the data, according to our review of emails obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and questions to FDA officials. Instead, it saw Mississippi, as one email said, as “an opportunity to remind the public of our own warnings for ivermectin.”


    The story behind the tweet that went ’round the world shows how a myth was born about a safe, if now controversial, human drug that was FDA-approved for parasitic disease in 1996 and bestowed the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2015. It is a story in which the barest grain of truth morphed into an anything-goes media firestorm.


    It began with one sentence in a Mississippi health alert on reports to the state’s poison control center: At least 70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers.” In the thick of a fierce covid wave in the American South, no official at the FDA, or reporter for that matter, seemed to ask: 70 percent of what? Instead, government and media joined forces against a public health threat that, in retrospect, was vastly exaggerated.


    Amid dozens of articles that ensued, Rolling Stone told of Oklahoma hospitals so jammed with ivermectin overdoses that gunshot victims had to wait for care—except it wasn’t true. Twice, The New York Times printed corrections of the same false information from Mississippi, which it described in one article and later removed, as “a staggering number of calls.” The Associated Press, Washington Post and, twice, the The Guardian in London also corrected its reporting on the alert.


    The Times’ correction summed it up: “This article misstated the percentage of recent calls to the Mississippi poison control center related to ivermectin. It was 2 percent, not 70 percent.” (The Times and Post both made corrections in direct response to our reporting for this article.)


    In real numbers, six calls were received for ingestion of ivermectin. Four were for the antiparasitic drug given to livestock.


    If ivermectin reports had indeed been 70 percent of calls in the twenty days covered by the alert, about 800 would have flooded the poison control line. Instead, eight came in. Two callers sought information.


    Five had mild symptoms. One was advised to seek further care, according to data from the Mississippi Poison Control Center.


    Without question, people should not take drugs made for animals, given issues of dosing and medical oversight, to name just two. That much is clear.


    But in hopping on the Mississippi bandwagon, the FDA achieved a long-standing goal separate from warning against livestock dewormer. It obliterated the line between the ivermectin that saved millions from river blindness in Africa and the worm-killing animal medicine that—“Stop it, y’all”—only the deluded would try. It turned ivermectin, which doctors and health ministers in several countries say has saved many from covid-19, into a drug to be feared, human form or not.


    This highly effective bait-and-switch began last March with a webpage, to which the FDA tweet linked, that conflates the two ivermectins. On one hand, the FDA tells of receiving “multiple reports of patients who have required medical attention” after taking the animal product. On the other, it describes the fate awaiting people who take large amounts of any ivermectin, ending a long list with “dizziness, ataxia, seizures, coma and even death.” The medical literature, nonetheless, shows ivermectin to be an extremely safe medicine.


    So how big was the surge that FDA described as “multiple”? Four, an agency spokesperson said just after the page went up. Three people were hospitalized, but it wasn’t clear if that was for covid itself. When pressed for details, FDA cited privacy issues, and said in an email, “Some of these cases were lost to follow up.”


    This is how government gets away with some whoppers, and with the media’s help.

    Below, FDA officials crow over the deception that was “the most popular post we’ve ever had on Twitter:”

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    …and the FDA commissioner was thrilled:

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    Within days of the tweet, headlines crowed, “Say ‘neigh’ to ivermectin,” while cable hosts and comedians riffed on “horse paste.” USA Today, ABC News, The Hill, Slate and NPR picked up the story. When CNN retweeted “not-a-horse,” FDA was gleeful. “The numbers are racking up and I laughed out loud,” wrote FDA Associate Commissioner Erica Jefferson in one email.


    On October 5, forty-six days after posting, the Mississippi health department “clarified” its alert to say that 70 percent of ivermectin calls—not of all calls—were for the animal kind. The image of dread, however, lives on in archived stories that often used nifty but hardly accurate shorthand, like overdose or poisoning. In reality, ten of twenty-four ivermectin calls to the Mississippi center from July 31 to Aug. 22—40 percent—merely sought information, our reporting found, which is common to poison control centers. In 2019, poison control centers logged more than 47,000 reports for acetaminophen and 83,000 for ibuprofen.

    In this email obtained by Linda Bonvie under the Freedom of Information Act, FDA officials celebrate reaching the “everyday” American with a tweet that sparked a media firestorm of lies:

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    Amid the hubbub, the Northern New England Poison Control Center posted a notice September 15 stating it had “managed 14 human exposures to ivermectin in 2021,” mostly in early September. “None of these patients experienced significant effects from the ivermectin.” Other states—Illinois, Iowa—have reported similar numbers.


    This isn’t to minimize potential poisoning from the livestock drug. Mississippi officials told us of two people hospitalized after their flawed alert, including one intubated and in cardiac arrest. But like the FDA, Mississippi officials had no details.

    The Associated Press issued this correction on their wildly inaccurate reporting:

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    In New Mexico, officials linked two deaths in September to ivermectin poisoning, contending later the victims took the drug and died “after delaying treatment for COVID-19.” The state’s acting health secretary, David Scrase, even said he was taking a “calculated risk” in announcing the first death on September 9 though tests would likely take weeks. No one questioned his widely reported conclusions.

    This is the correction the New York Times was forced to make—twice—as a result of inaccurate poison control reports from the Mississippi State Department of Health:

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    In the pandemic era, mainstream reporting is characterized by firmly drawn narratives. One is that ivermectin is an unproven, possibly unsafe, treatment for covid, with several dozen supporting trials largely dismissed as small, biased, and lacking rigor. We would argue that the potential and effectiveness is far more nuanced and worthy of serious exploration.


    This media landscape, which marginalizes, censors, and uses political or anti-vaccine labels, set a perfect stage for the Mississippi-inspired onslaught of anti-ivermectin hype. Some of it was true. Much was not, in particular the lasting image of peril of a drug celebrated as “astonishingly safe for human use” in a 2011 article. Last March, a safety review of ivermectin by a renowned French toxicologist could not find a single accidental overdose death in the medical literature in more than 300 safety studies of the drug over decades. The study was performed for MedinCell, a French pharmaceutical company.


    Since 1992, twenty deaths have been linked to inexpensive, off-patent ivermectin, according to a World Health Organization drug tracker called VigiAccess. By contrast, since just the spring of 2020, 570 deaths have been linked to remdesivir, an expensive, patented covid drug. The question is why remdesivir is being used at all, with a WHO recommendation against it and a new Lancet study finding “no clinical benefit.”


    The other question is why ivermectin is not. The FDA tweet arrived just as ivermectin prescriptions were soaring, up twenty-four-fold in August from before the pandemic. These were legal prescriptions written by doctors who, presumably, had read the studies, learned from experience, and decided for themselves. Indeed, 20 percent of prescriptions are written off-label, namely for other than an approved use.


    The effort to vilify ivermectin broadly has helped curb the legal supply of a safe drug. That’s what drove people to livestock medicine in the first place.







      






    This one is perhaps more boring than porn, but equally void of science.

    You are talking about the Dominican Republic Ivermectin "success" story on TSN's. It is not exactly "void of science", as there is an observational aspect to the hospital systems story. And it rises well above the level of anecdotal when doctors losing patients doing what the world health bodies recommend (do nothing), switch to another treatment and all of a sudden see a remarkable turn-around.


    I think though, the real story here is about how the developed worlds health care industry has become cumbersome, bureaucratic, loaded with conflicts of interest, profit oriented, and polluted with politics...making them unable to quickly respond to a health care emergency such as this pandemic. They have become process oriented, selfish, and forgotten the main reason they are there...the patient. They have simply lost touch.


    The small poor countries like the DR however, lacking resources, have been forced to do it the old fashioned way....via a close patient-doctor relationship. They do not have the luxury of waiting years for an RCT, or "the science". Amazingly that seems to be working. They have been quick to incorporate new, cheap, and simple techniques and protocols that show almost instant improvements. If it doesn't wok, they do something else.


    End result is that the DR's of the world appear to be saving lives, and at the least "doing no harm". Maybe the rest of the world will learn something from them. I doubt it though. Too much money and power keeping it the way it is.



    Sweden’s Cautionary Tale
    Whatever happened to Sweden?
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    Whatever happened to Sweden?


    I thought maybe you’d be curious too.


    For a long time, Sweden was the media’s favorite Covid villain. Time called Sweden’s approach to Covid “a disaster”; the Washington Post said “it flopped”; the Guardian proclaimed last January that “it failed”; the New York Times called Sweden “a cautionary tale” and “a pariah state”.


    Over the last few months, however, we’ve heard nothing. Well, almost nothing…


    The New York Times’ “coronavirus briefing” of October 6 tells us that “the jury is out” on whether Sweden’s Covid strategy was a success or a failure. Wait…are we talking about the same strategy that turned Sweden into a pariah state and a cautionary tale for the rest of the world? Now that strategy might actually be a success?


    The NYT reporter informs us that Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, “doesn’t think we are in a position to pound our chest with pride”. Well, I doubt anybody would pound their chest with pride for this global calamity — it would be quite inappropriate. Least of all Anders Tegnell who, unlike many other epidemiologists, is very humble, pragmatic and honest about how much we don’t understand about the virus.


    Still, in a recent interview, Tegnell did say in no uncertain terms that if faced with a new pandemic, he would recommend the same approach that Sweden has taken during the past two years.


    The numbers

    Let’s see if we can help “the jury” with some data: How has Sweden fared?

    In Covid deaths per million population, Sweden sits in the lower half of Europe’s rankings, with 1,459. Yes, that’s three times higher than Denmark, not to mention other regional peers Norway and Finland. But it’s better than France and Spain, a damn sight better than Italy and less than half the record numbers of Hungary, Bulgaria and Czech Republic. (Worldometer data from October 7.) 1*TO9x1yZNts-M_fr1kcoprw.png?q=20 1*TO9x1yZNts-M_fr1kcoprw.png

    Let’s broaden the lens a bit beyond Europe for added perspective: 1*4cuM7k2twTsDGTLEvkAajA.png?q=20 1*4cuM7k2twTsDGTLEvkAajA.png

    Both the UK and the US have done considerably worse than Sweden (about 30% worse in fact); And just for fun I’ve added in New York State, with a Covid mortality twice as high as Sweden. Who’s the pariah state, then? I don’t remember the New York Times calling out New York’s “cautionary tale”


    Now let’s look at overall excess mortality[i]. To me this is more important than Covid deaths, for two reasons: First, we might have misclassified deaths (missed some Covid deaths, and recorded some people who died with Covid as having died of Covid.)


    Second, the response to the pandemic can lead to fewer or more people dying of other causes (more cardiac fatalities as people felt too scared to go to the hospital; fewer traffic deaths as more people stayed in lockdown). Here is the chart for Europe, where I got comparable data from Eurostat: 1*-0HnJXnyJ3oJ8y2yr248xA.png?q=20 1*-0HnJXnyJ3oJ8y2yr248xA.png

    On this metric Sweden does even better: it’s in the bottom six, just under Germany.


    The polemic

    So why all the fuss?


    Sweden was singled out because it tried to follow the science — not “The Science”, but the science.

    It decided not to impose widespread lockdowns, because it judged they would be unsustainable. It never imposed a mask mandate, because there is very little evidence of the effectiveness of masks; it kept schools open because the evidence indicated that Covid posed an extremely low risk to kids and schools were not a significant source of contagion.


    It did impose some restrictions on restaurants and large events; for a period (December 2020-July 2021) it recommended wearing masks on public transport at rush hour; it encouraged universities to move to distance learning; it recommended social distancing, because it is effective in reducing contagion.


    Overall, Sweden did adopt sensible precautions; but it did not follow the orthodox playbook of shutting everything down and imposing masks nearly everywhere nearly all the time. And it candidly recognized how much we do not know instead of peddling fake certainties.


    A cautionary tale

    I strongly recommend you watch Anders Tegnell’s interview. You will be struck by his pragmatism and humility. He recognizes that at times he was wrong and that mistakes were made. But he points out that, in the uncertainty, they targeted their restrictions to what they saw as the main sources of contagion; they weighed benefits against costs (such as the adverse impact that school closures would have on children); they sought a sustainable strategy because they thought this would be a long-term game; they relied on the population’s common sense and responsibility.


    For this, they were pilloried by those who think people cannot be trusted with nuanced information and must be coerced into the “right” behavior; that disinformation is justified if it serves the “right” agenda; that it would be dangerous and irresponsible to debate the Covid response even though there was so much we did not understand.


    Almost two years later, with Sweden showing one of Europe’s lowest excess mortality rates, it turns out the Swedes were not crazy after all.


    Sweden’s true cautionary tale is that killing scientific debate with rushed conclusions and superstitions and treating citizens like dull-witted subjects costs lives.

    Yeah. So far, I prefer the flavor of Impossible Meat fake hamburger compared to Beyond Meat. Beyond Meat fake sausages are pretty good though.


    Lots of big companies are jumping on this bandwagon. Tyson will try again (https://www.bloomberg.com/news…nt-based-burger-fake-meat). So far none of the big companies have announced a cell-based in vitro product, as far as I know. Various companies are working on meat and milk. I think the in vitro milk may be shipping.


    People might find in vitro products creepy, unlike plant based ones.

    Agree. Beyond Meats reformulated recently to make their burgers meatier, so that is why I am looking forward to trying the new McD's version. McDs would never put it out unless it passed a very high bar.


    And yes, the whole field has exploded. Not just the big food product companies are in on it, but many celebrity lines are out now. Not all are good though. I tried a Walmart (Great Value) Plant Burger brand, and it sucked.

    Could you tell me the name of one of these so I can ask what FM/R/J/M means?

    I know what the J means because I am having to constantly edit it out. Wytten keeps me busy. Too busy sometimes. If his mafia list grows any longer, I am going to move to a deserted island somewhere.

    I hope that the lack of replicas does not mean that you think I'm a fraud playing with three nuts

    Don't be discouraged. We have a lot of theories floating around, and members are hesitant to put their time and effort into understanding each and every one that comes along. They have just so much time in the day to devote.


    It takes something special to get their attention, and that is either experimental evidence, or a big name behind the theory.


    Hang in there.

    Needing a new kidney is not an elective procedure, so your analogies don't apply. This patient had Stage 5 disease and will probably die without a transplant. So by your and the surgeons reasoning, the patient should be allowed to meet her almost certain death without a new kidney, because if he does the transplant she MIGHT catch COVID post-op, and MIGHT die from it.


    The only way that makes sense is to look at it through the lens of ruthless political ideology, not medicine.

    From a liberal source:


    The Risk to Kids From COVID Is Miniscule. Do Not Let Them Mandate Vaccines | Opinion

    Do Not Let Them Mandate Vaccines | Opinion


    I remember quite clearly the first time I explained what COVID was to my young children in early March of 2020. I lay down in one of their beds at bedtime and told them about what it was and how it might affect our lives for the next few weeks or perhaps even the next month or two (oh, how naive I was then!).


    I reassured them about their safety and ours, and pulled up a chart from China and Italy about the death rates broken down by age. I explained to them the nature of the virus, that it thankfully spared children of their age, and almost everyone under the age of 40. I comforted them that their grandparents and great-grandmother would exercise caution due to their increased risk, but thankfully, everyone their parents' age and down, but kids especially, were statistically quite safe from ill-effects, even if they were to get sick.

    Nearly two years later, the data has continued to bear this out. As the New York Times' David Leonhardt pointed out this week, an unvaccinated child is at less risk of serious Covid illness than a vaccinated 70-year-old—even a vaccinated 40-year-old, according to a British study.


    Nationwide statistics from England show an even larger age skew. Children under 12 (a group that’s combined with teenagers in this chart) appear to be at less risk than vaccinated people in their 40s if not 30s.

    Indeed, the realization that COVID infection carries different risks depending on age is a well-known fact internationally. The risks for kids "are similar to the other respiratory viruses you probably don't think much about," Alasdair Munro, a Clinical Research Fellow Paediatric Infectious Diseases with NIH in the United Kingdom, explained on Twitter. In fact, for children pre-school age and under, viruses like RSV are much more likely to result in hospitalization than COVID.


    Unfortunately, for many Americans, this is new information—thanks to the fact that unlike Leonhardt, too many in the liberal media have pushed a hysteria when it comes to kids and COVID. And it's skewed the way parents are relating to the subject.

    As a pediatrician in a liberal stronghold on the West Coast told me recently, "I've seen a ton of COVID; when I try to reassure parents that kids don't spread it and are low-risk, I often am met with a confused response. They are not hearing the same thing from other trusted sources."


    The information is out there. That's not the problem. The problem is the refusal of thought-leaders in the media and government to adjust their rhetoric on kids and COVID, which has resulted in real consequences for an entire generation of kids.


    Parents in liberal strongholds ended up putting their own children at a disadvantage because of misplaced fears stoked by those in power and in the media. Fully recognizing that online schooling was of lower quality than in-person instruction, they were still reluctant to prioritize the return of in-person instruction because of misinformation in liberal circles about the dangers of COVID to kids. "While school was clearly a challenge, and it may have been the decisions of teachers and administrators to keep things online, it is also clear that the parents very often preferred that," the 2021 American Family Survey from Deseret News and the Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy at Brigham Young University found.


    And now this misinformation about the risk of COVID to kids is driving yet another trend in this pandemic: the possibility, and many think probability, of vaccine mandates for kids to return to in-person education. This is already reality in California, and there's the possibility of it spreading to more states and counties in the U.S.


    How is this happening, given how low the risk to kids from COVID is?


    Throughout the pandemic, COVID extremists promised massive pediatric death tolls, whenever a school would reopen or a mask mandate was dropped. These promised death tolls, mercifully, never materialized, and yet we have learned no lessons about the dangers of COVID when it comes to kids, or the lack thereof.


    Many parents are waking up. In one survey, just 44 percent of parents said it was important for students and teachers to be vaccinated, while 55 percent believed it was unimportant or were neutral. And in a new Axios-Ipsos poll, just 47 percent of parents planned to vaccinate their kids, with 42 percent leaning against.


    Given the very clear data on the risk of COVID to kids—"so low as to be difficult to quantify," as the Times' Leonhardt put it, why the rush to vaccinate kids? And more importantly, why the rush to mandate it when most parents are unconvinced it's necessary, even after the scaremongering we've unscientifically been subjected to?

    It is okay to deny a lifesaving procedure if the patient refuses the preparation or treatment. In the case you cite, with the lunatic who refuses a vaccine, they should have the patient sign an AMA (against medical advice) form and go shopping for some other doctor. Some doctor who does not mind endangering patients for no reason, and who is so stupid he will risk a malpractice lawsuit when the patient gets COVID. You can bet that lunatic will sue when she gets the disease the doctors warned her she might get. Being in a post-op hospital room is a dandy opportunity to get COVID.

    I really think you should learn when to quit.

    You refer here to the doctors who demand their patients get vaccinated. In other words, the doctors who refuse to let patients commit suicide. You call that tyranny. I call it the doctors not setting themselves up to be sued for malpractice. You can be sure that any person so stupid they would not get vaccinated is also the kind of idiot who would sue the hospital for something he did to himself, that the doctors warned him not to do. Like the guy who ignored instructions and ate a meal before going in for a colonoscopy.


    What is with you, anyway? Do you think a patient can magically change the laws of biology, wave his hand, and make a new set of rules? Ignore the last 200 years of medical science? Because the germ theory holds us a life hostage!! Unfair! I want you to do surgery without cutting me!! This is getting out of hand, but not the way you think. People who think they can just ignore medical science and wing it are lunatics. You don't want to live? Fine! Don't go to the hospital. Don't get surgery. If you want surgery, do as the surgeons tell you.

    If a doctor were to deny treatment to a drug addict, a gang related shooting victim, AIDS patient or the obese because he disapproved the behaviors that brought them under his care, he would lose his medical license for violating his oath. Then he would have been sued and certainly lose. Yet somehow, it is OK to deny a life saving procedure because of a vaccine and not face the same consequences?


    The organ recipient in the story was being donated a kidney by a friend. There was absolutely no risk to others. They would have been tested prior to surgery, and if COVID positive the surgery would have been delayed. This doctor and hospital were being cruel and irresponsible. He should be fired and the hospital investigated.

    Those behind the push to pressure the unvaccinated into getting jabbed, are in a race to the bottom. Each seemingly trying to out- do the other in how dehumanizing, and cruel they can be. In this case, going so far as holding a life hostage, and few are even raising an eyebrow about it. This is just getting out of hand, with no bottom in sight.


    I have always read of that proverbial slippery slope, and for the first time in my life I think we are rapidly sliding into the Totalitarianism Orwell warned us about. All brought about by the pandemic. Maybe history will record that it was a virus released from a communist lab that was the final nail in the coffin for Western Civilization.

    Thanks Ahlfors. The authors are CF researchers with a 10 year history in the field. They know what they are doing. They collaborated with others in the Russian LENR community...including Parkhomov.


    Based on their conclusions, anything Rossi claimed, and all that followed his methods who supposedly "successfully" replicated him, were wrong. I can add also, that the Swedes were never able to replicate Rossi either.


    This does not bode well for the upcoming demo of whatever that thing is he is putting on display. Be prepared for disappointment!

    We (UK) still have high infection and death rates. But people are acting like 'it's all over' - I've just been into my local shopping area - 2 Malls, street market etc, Packed with people and hardly a mask in sight.

    Same here in the US. Went to Denver, Breckenridge and Vail in the Rocky Mountains few weeks ago. Very liberal areas. Every store and restaurant had sign "Facemasks required". Very, very few people though wore masks, and the owners ignored those not complying. The employees for the most part had their masks down under their nose.


    Guess everyone is following the lead of our leaders, and celebrities with their "do as I say, not as I do" mandates.

    I'm leaning on that the best strategy is probably to take the jab, what for the effect to vane, then get covid and have a natural infection as well. Looks that this is what's going to happen to most people of us in the end in a 5 year period I just hold my breath that the vaccine still will guard for serious infection although break through cases are starting to become more common it do look like this is the case. So actually I think that a vaning vaccine is not as terrible as people here seam to think. A third jab for the group of sensible people though. Hope that this is going to be the strategy here.

    Exactly my sentiments. I would also add that with the combo of getting the vaccine, followed by (hopefully) a mild brush with COVID, we will soon have the anti-viral Merckvectin to help combat anything else that may pop up in the future. Plus, I have my own medicine kit at hand based roughly on the I-MASK and Dr Richard BAT protocol (VitD/C/K2, Quercitin/Zinc, melatonin).