the fallback position is antivaxxer
and conspiracy theorist.
the fallback position is antivaxxer
and conspiracy theorist.
Sorry Shane, I realise you are US type - and in the US all this stuff is politicised.
It is not so in the UK.
I do not know about the UK. This Iver crusade is happening here in the US, South Africa, Philippines, Brazil, Malaysia and many other places.
But no-one likes non-scientific pressure groups telling lies about it claiming it is "obviously effective" when the scientists don't think this. Our guys would not be doing their job if they gave ivermectin to people just because some pressure groups said they should.
Iver sprung up as a grass roots movement from the medical profession. I do not consider that a "pressure group". Now since they have seen it work so many times, they are pressuring their medical hierarchy to ease up. That is to be expected of them. Their Hippocratic Oath demands it of them.
strongly believing it is wrong to recommend ivermectin use when there is no evidence
Repeating that over and over again will not change the fact that there IS evidence. You just do not like what you see,which is your right. It is also the right of others to like what they see, and consider it evidence of efficacy. The latest being the Israeli small RCT from the "smartest medical hospital in the world". Did you read that one?
Not only have many doctors around the world adopted some type of Iver+ protocol, but up to 22 nations have also. Many incorporated it into their Standard of Care in May 2020 (a few earlier), and to this day I have yet to hear of any of them saying they made a mistake. But you are so convinced they have. Is that snobbery, or following the science?
I realise if you read TSN articles or FLCC propaganda you hear just one side. Of course, Shane, you are better than that?
Those negative things all over the net. Well, you should maybe pay less attention to the fluff - positive and negative - and let the scientists get on with their job?
Patronizing is a pathetic way to debate.
If you cannot address these questions, you have no business claiming there is constant condemnation, or semi-constant, or occasional condemnation.
BS. I can fill pages with all the anti-Iver evidence if I wanted to belabor my point. They are all over the net. Just type in Ivermectin and most of what pops up is negative and amount to little more than scaremongering. Many such examples have been posted here, discussed, but you and THH seem to always miss them...how convenient.
And yes, I know the particular article I linked to only has a few examples of pharmacists taking matters into their own hands. That is why I kept it general, and focused elsewhere. IMO, the author intended to start a band wagon effect, so that other Pharmacists who read it would be encouraged to do the same, because... well, everyone is doing it so I will.
That is what passes for journalism nowadays. Most are just activists in disguise. That goes both ways also.
Fact is, Ivermectin has been suppressed by the medical health institutions worldwide, with the help of the powerful big tech companies, and feigned outrage at those who point that out is not going to work.
There is this dumb site supporting Rossi, among other things, called Sifferkoll.
@sifferkoll is a member. He went under at least one other pseudonym also. Interesting, smart character. He met Rossi once with a photo as proof, and alluded he had connections with Hydrofusion. I always asked him to defend them with inside info instead of character assassinating Rossi critics, but he never did. Last time I asked, he disappeared.
Such an over-the-top Ivermectin hit piece, it is funny to read. It does report some new news at least:
"Off-label ivermectin requests are also hitting legitimate pharmacies, to pharmacists’ displeasure.
One pharmacist, who has worked in Missouri and Illinois over the course of the pandemic, said they’d received approximately 10 ivermectin prescriptions in recent months: an uncommon number for a drug typically used to treat scabies or serious lice infestations in humans. About six of those 10 prescriptions raised red flags, like weirdly large dosages or doctors who canceled orders when questioned.
“If I could verify based on current dosage information for its available indications that the prescription appeared to be for a valid diagnosis I would dispense with no issue,” the pharmacist, who requested anonymity due to concerns of repercussions at work, told The Daily Beast. For the six unusual orders, the pharmacist called the prescriber. Half of those doctors never answered. Of the three that responded, “two canceled the prescription—one electronically and one verbally while on the phone. The third verbally confirmed it was for the treatment of acute COVID infection and did not deem to cancel it.”
Unilateral actions like this, the constant condemnation, fear mongering, and mocking by the left wing media, and shunning by the medical organizations and public institutions, are effectively driving Iver underground, even though it is still legal to prescribe "off label". There it will be more likely to be misused, than had it been embraced, where it could be professionally prescribed.
Already a large IVER blackmarket is developing in other countries such as South Africa, where -like here in the US, it has had so many obstacles thrown up preventing it's wide spread use, the people have no other option but to purchase it from questionable sources, and then self administering. It will happen here too, as slowly but surely access to it's use is being blocked in one way or another.
Iver's opponents goal is clear...protect the vaccine. Leave the people no other choice but to get jabbed. Understandable maybe, but unfortunate IMO because it does not have to be that way. Those like myself are both pro-vaccine (how young still to be determined) and pro-Iver. They can, and should be used together for better results. Many feel the same way, so why this assault?
With the latest data showing the vaccine, while still a game changer, is not the pandemic end-all as was first hoped it would be, Iver may be just what the doctor ordered to get us there.
Can anyone refer me to any experimentation by Kenneth Shoulders where he measured levels of tritium? I have heard that he had measured and recorded it bu t I'm not sure which paper.
Might want to read Shoulders book. Might be in there somewhere, or if not give you an idea where to look.
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For those who missed it, this is KS's book 'EVO, a tale of discovery' .
Also, here is a precursor paper by Bostick, written while working at L-Livermore laboratory, the existence of which helped to convince Feynmann that Ken Shoulders wasn't 'nuts'.
Very sobering.
"The investigating team said several key findings pointed to a leak, including the unexplained removal of a Wuhan Institute of Virology virus database in September 2019, Chinese officials’ expressions of safety concerns and unusually scheduled maintenance at the lab."
"The authors also noted that several athletes at the Military World Games in Wuhan fell ill with COVID-like symptoms in October 2019, hospitalizations in the region surrounding the lab ticked up the same month, and a People’s Liberation Army bioweapons expert was appointed to head the biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) lab as early as 2019."
"the Times, according to two well-placed sources, refused to investigate the biggest story of our time. Instead, senior editors are alleged to have suppressed efforts to probe the virus’s origins, and the Times led the charge to dismiss any questioning of the WHO’s now-discredited line as conspiracist or even ‘racist’."
"‘It was considered a conspiracy theory,’ confirms a second Times insider who was in a senior position on a different section at the time, and also proposed an investigation. ‘It was untouchable everywhere. The fact that Trump embraced it, of course, also made it a no-go.’"
"In the years before COVID-19, revenue from China was an integral part of the Times’s business model. The paper received millions of dollars from Chinese government-controlled outlets, especially China Daily, and published ‘advertorials’ pushing the Chinese government’s line. The Times wasn’t alone in doing this — though few outlets anywhere in the West went all-in, as the Times did in 2012, when it launched a Chinese-language edition and, soon after that, a luxury magazine."
ECW's "Contributor" who wrote the article, sounds much like our old @Director
I find this surprising, and disturbing:
Which one...the deer or the children?
I am confident it is correct.
BLP is moving to Austin. Anyone know why, and also if the whole staff will be making the move? I find this interesting because the University of Texas (UOT) system has been fertile ground for LENR over the years. Not sure that has anything to do with it though. It may simply be that the move is for tax purposes.
BLP has been trying to secure $50 million investment, and could this possibly indicate they were successful? Costs a lot of money to move a company.
One of the most vaccinated western countries (Iceland) reimposes restrictions:
While the least vaxxed (Sweden) is dong fine:
This conversation can happen without making it personal. The LF motto is "check your ego at the door", followed by "do not insult other members".
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Here's a first surprise:
EDX analysis showed no trace of Iron (Fe) on the cathode after plating. Tin (Sn) was seen at 5 to 8% over the colored surface area.The usual carbon from organic contaminants in the electrolyte was also seen.
It seems possible to me that selective migration of trace tin in the copper tubing occurred during electrolysis. The electrochemical potential between copper and tin is 220 mV, so the voltage applied to the cell in the third step (when the color appeared) would be sufficient for ionic separation.
Years of lab experience and training may make this a surprise to you and many others here, but could you explain to the rest of us why it is a surprise, and what LENR significance it may have in the grand scheme of things?
That is very encouraging for a small RCT. Luckily, rather than rely on contentious and fudgable meta-studies we have several studies of IVM in process that will provide definitive answers for its utility in that sort of use case. PRINCIPLE and that US loads'O'dosh study that TSN seems to think is funded by an immoral researcher. Luckily the study results and reception will depend only on quality and size of the trial - not TSN's opinion of the person in charge.
I forgot to check, but hopefully PRINCIPLE is using IVM +. Not just IVM alone. It seems to have been lost in the contentious debate, but when HCQ, then IVM first became news, they were used in conjunction with Z-packs, and Zinc. HCQ was at the time considered an ionophore to help the Zinc enter the cell so it could do it's thing.Over time Vit D, C and a few others were added to the cocktail.
Recently Dr. Zelenko reiterated that it takes all working together for the best HCQ efficacy, and the FLCCC said the same thing for their MATH+, and I-MASK IVER protocols.
Indian Head Division
You have talked to every Navy researcher?
That's nice.
Thanks. Just a reminder so everyone is on the same page; the US Navy recently reopened their LENR research:
"Scientists at the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Indian Head Division have pulled together a group of Navy, Army, and National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) labs to try and settle the debate. Together, the labs will conduct experiments in an effort to establish if there’s really something to the cold fusion idea, if it’s just odd chemical interactions, or if some other phenomenon entirely is taking place in these controversial experiments."
Anyway, I emailed Forsley and asked...making it a point to tell him LF member Ahlfor is one of our most reliable sources. Waiting for his reply; if he will be so kind as to give us one.
The "Development and Testing of High Power Space Generators" may have been affected by COVID (as have other projects), but it has not been canceled, or retracted.
Thank you Larry for the quick response.
New MFMP video by Bob Greenyer. I have not had time yet to skim over it (2 hours long):
Last communication we had with them was when Barty helped Daniel do something with their MTI website about 2 months ago. Very disappointing.