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No specific critiques on the Lugano report were given in the answer by IH. Which means they can't debunk the report. If they can't debunk the report they have no chance in winning the court case.

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I do not take the ongoing interest on the part of some parties to be much of an indicator, if any at all, that Rossi has anything. It was P.T. Barnum who supposedly said that a sucker is born every minute. Before this affair I had zero impression of Swedes, who seem like intelligent people. Now I get the sense that some among them are a little hopeful and even gullible. There are obviously gullible people in every country.

Gullible in what way? The testing of 10kW low temperature e-cat is basic science. It's very easy for a professional to measure the output. The first step in an arrangement with Rossi is to test that device. If you want to accuse Rossi of fraud you have to explain how he does it. In the last 5 years nobody here can explain how he deceived people in letting professionals measure a COP of 6.

They knew that they have no chance in winning the courtcase and also their licence became worthless with the introduction of the Quark. It's more interesting for them to make their own unique IP from the transferred knowledge of the e-cat.

Has Lugano ever been reviewed by an expert in the calorimetry used in the report?

Randombit0 claims that experience and she tells us that lugano test is done by the book. The frustration is that most reviewers here are people with no practical professional experience. They don't put their career on the line like the Lugano test team.

For the X time, the comments made by Mats Lewan who talked to some people who visited the IH plant:

"Those people I talked to, who visited the plant, said exactly this. The steam output was led in a tube going through a wall where the customer's production supposedly was being run. The door to that space was closed and they never opened it. One of them, however, claims to have gleaned when the door opened for a moment, and saw what seemed to be production activity."

"Ok, so this is what I heard from sources having visited the plant and talked to the customer (who could of course be an actor, playing his part in a scam...) – that JMC set up a production unit of the same kind that they already have in UK, although smaller. Given the experience from their units in the UK they knew perfectly well how much energy should be consumed and how much energy was needed to run the unit. At least one engineer was sceptical in the beginning, but soon found out that the consumed electric energy was much less than expected, using the E-Cat plant as energy source for the hot steam. And the customer was happy as a lark with this.
I don't know which the UK based company is, but I understood it's not Johnson Matthey (which would have been a nice coincidence, since Johnson Matthey apparently once provided the working palladium samples to F&P), and as far as I know it has absolutely nothing to do with Hydrofusion."

If certain people want to repeat their own lies time and time again, keep doing it If you want to accuse Rossi of fraud you have to have facts to backup. You have 6 years of back and forth of a so called serial liar.

Jed didn't read the official ERV report. Doesn't anyone find that very surprising that they don't want Jed to read the full report? He saw a data set from Dewey.. I mean an anonymous IH employee. Very credible information off course

You're changing the argument. You know that Andrea Rossi isn't a scientist but an entrepreneur. He wants to create & sell products with his own company. If he wants your investment he will show you all the data you want to know.

Btw Fulvio Fabiani (IH employee) stated that Andrea Rossi deserves a Nobel price.

The only reason that this forum exists, is because of Rossi(see the irony).

WF invests 50 million in IH, a company that's only created to commercialise the e-cat technology. That investment alone would be enough to silence all critics.
If you want to live in a fantasyworld where a respected investment fund invests in a technology only because it read on the internet that it maybe could work, I have a bridge to sell you.

We know now that the real conflict between IH and Rossi is really about the Quark.

@Eric

"Tom wonders whether this behavior was tolerated because of his unpopular positions, and I do as well. The whole episode reflects poorly on LENR Forum."

Then do you apply the same standards to the hostility expressed here toward Andrea Rossi?

Jed,

Your data is irrelevant, people who visited the plant talked to the owner who was happy with the results. If we follow your thinking that guy is a part of a giant conspiracy. To my knowledge IH didn't go the authorities. So again their behaviour doesn't match your claims.

I want to live in that universe where Tom Darden pays Rossi 10 million because he just believes in him without hiring several consultants to test his low-temperature reactor.

People here describes the whole situation that Rossi has a Kw LENR reaction of 1.1 and we don't know if it can get higher. Then TD steps up to the plate and invests money to do some more R&D in the hope we can get the COP maybe higher.

It's NOT, Rossi describes very specific what the reactor is capable of. A 10Kw Reactor(100°) with a COP 6. Piece of cake for every professional to check that claim out.

It's just that straightforward, it works! The mental gymnatics going on here are laudable. But your scenario has to explain everything that happened in the last 6 years, none do.

Even Jed & Weaver claim that Rossi can create excess heat(but not always and very low). Even in their irrational hate toward Rossi they can't deny the obvious truth.

Let's summarize:

We have the following people claiming that the 1MW test was succesful
-Andrea Rossi(!)
-Fulvio Fabiani( the engineer who created the power system ) & Barry West
-the customer and their engineers (according to Mats Lewan)
-Fabio Penon(ERV)
-people who read the ERV report said there is no way based on the data that it didn't work. (according to Mats Lewan)

While the E-cat test was 8 months in, WF invested 50 million dollar in IH. Off course TD told them the 1MW reactor has only a COP of 1 and you don't have to believe a word Rossi says. You know, he lies all the time. But invest in us now!

On the other side we have a guy who DID'T read the ERV report(his words) claiming he has special inside information that it's all a fraud. We also have an investor in IH who can't explain why IH doesn't want to cancel the e-cat licence.

A comment of Matt Lewan :

"Ok, so this is what I heard from sources having visited the plant and talked to the customer (who could of course be an actor, playing his part in a scam...) – that JMC set up a production unit of the same kind that they already have in UK, although smaller. Given the experience from their units in the UK they knew perfectly well how much energy should be consumed and how much energy was needed to run the unit. At least one engineer was sceptical in the beginning, but soon found out that the consumed electric energy was much less than expected, using the E-Cat plant as energy source for the hot steam. And the customer was happy as a lark with this.
I don't know which the UK based company is, but I understood it's not Johnson Matthey (which would have been a nice coincidence, since Johnson Matthey apparently once provided the working palladium samples to F&P), and as far as I know it has absolutely nothing to do with Hydrofusion."

So it seems that the customer is alive and well, and also very happy about the performance of the 1MW e-cat

LENR is still a controversial technology, WF would never invest 50 million dollars without being 100% sure. The claims of Rossi are very specific. Rossi claims that he has a working LENR reactor with a high COP. WF invested 8 months after the start of the 1MW test. Their investment confirms a working 1MW reactor. If there were doubts about the test they just would have waited.

Btw, I don't see WF investing in Brillouin Energy, which is seen by most members here as the most credible commercial LENR enterprise.

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As I do often, the recent event led to reevaluation of past events, and the landscape is not positive for Rossi.There is still place behind some dark bushes where Rossi's uccess can hide, but I see only questions.

@'AlainCo

Based on what? Fulvio Fabiani, the guy who designed the power system around the e-cat reactors, says there is no doubt that the e-cat works. That's a first-hand witness.

Give me an account of a first-hand witness that supports the claim of IH that it doesn't work?

I don't see which credibility Jed has in this case. He didn't see the ERV report, only limited data. It maybe confirmed his bias.

Woodford invested 50 million in Industrial Heat. That's all the proof you need. They would never invest that amount if the technology didn't check out.

Dewey Weaver

So you you state that the e-cat doesn't work. Can you explain me why you don't want to cancel the licence and get a refund? Why go through all this expensive legal trouble?