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  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    OK, I see another misunderstanding.

    You think there is no additional D2 / O2 production even if current increase, but that's wrong.

    Also D2+O2 rate increases as per

    Md+Mo= I / (2*F)…
  • oystla

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    Actually, if you read a little about water electrolysis you will learn that the Efficiency of splitting water increase with increasing temperatures. That is why there are a lot of work at developing high temperature electrolyzers.
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    Dear Ascoli,

    You can not both agree on formula (1) AND maintain your view that not all D2O vapor was included in Fleischmanns calorimeter model.

    Let me explain in further details (and ask me any questions you would like) :

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    Let there be no doubt

    The calorimetry model F&P developed was perfectly valid at all temperatures.

    Their black box model is a valid model for 40 degC as well as 100 degC.

    This was also discussed in the Wilson Critique [2] and…
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    Suitable at all temperatures.

    Please note that the formula for total molar rate of D2O vapor rate -

    Mv= (3/4) * (I/F) * P / (P'-P) ..................................... (3)

    Gives very differenet results at 40 degC and at 80…
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    Please, I just proved mathematically that this is perfectly correct.

    Do you really not understand the math?

    I tried to make the math as clear as possible. Is there anything more I need to explain in my details?

    Read my comment…
  • oystla

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    If you replaced the cathode with a resistor and the Anode with a resistor, you would still run current through the electrolyte, and (4) would work.

    If you replace the anode and cathode with single resistive heating, there would be…
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    Ascoli, please remember that the energy input in an electrolytic cell IS electricity.

    Electricity provides the energy both to heat the water AND to produce electrolytic gas.

    And electrolyte is the resistor where some of the…
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    Let me ask you the following

    Do you agree the mathematical expression for molar rate of D2O vapor in a electrolytic cell is correct or not?

    Mv / (Mv+Md+Mo) = P / P' .................................... (1)

    If not, why not?

  • Save your pixels Jed, he just doesn't get it.
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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    Oh dear ;-)

    Now I see where your misunderstand, or is it lack of competence ;-)

    And here is the answer you are looking for;

    First we will assume that ALL gases leaving the cell is SATURATED with heavy-water vapor, so this covers both…
  • oystla

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    Haha, I'm away for 20 hrs and all hell brake loose :D^^

    Ok, I think I need to clarify why I asked Ascoli to study a little more, like the F&P major paper of 1990 (1) , or for that matter the Wilson critique (2) or Fleischmanns answer (3) .

    Again: The…
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    So you started by the bold and earth shattering claim of "it doesn't account for the vapor carried out by the bubbles directly produced by boiling!", which would be devastating to all of F&P's work.

    May be you did not understand…
  • oystla

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    Are you serious ^^:D ?

    Ascoli just found the reason for F&P's "Excess Heat" calculations since the 1980's: They forgot to include the energy term for water vapor produced in their mathematical model for the calorimeter ^^:D.

    Why are you…
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)


    Please Ascoli, do not try to be an electrochemist 😉

    And there is a difference in mathematical theoretical calculations and practical measurements.

    By making theoretical calculations we may identify the borders and expected…
  • oystla

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    Haha, and how is Klee Irwin going to prove that potential commercial CF / LENR products is violating his patent ;-)
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    Well, it's a very strange kind of a patent application. Basically an attempt to hijack a physical state and arrangement of atoms. As here:-

    1. An apparatus for generating power via low energy nuclear reactions (LENR), comprising:a quasicrystal or…
  • oystla

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    (Quote from Ascoli65)

    you misunderstand the point made by both F&P and Lonchampt.

    Lonchampt referred to the water vapor pressure, not the atmospheric pressure. There is no problem in measuring atmospheric pressure accurately at three decimals, 0,966 bar…
  • oystla

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    Their major paper ?

    I thought we just agreed that the 21 pages 1992 paper is an important paper on road to practical implementation of Cold fusion utilization in society, I.e. it proved the increase of Power and energy densities…