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Tell that to parents in the UK! Our (unvaccinated) kids have a COVID infcetion rate of 10% - and going up! Eventually it will have got through them all.

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That is like saying you get 100% protection from falling off a tall building by jumping first.

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(Quote from Alan Fletcher)

Alan - it is reversed if you remove Elgazzar and Niaee - the other "too good to be true - missing info in various places - Cochrane would say high risk of bias" RCT.

It is good that they have made an additional correction - but…

(Quote from Fm1)

No FM1, because I have never said the vaccines are their primarily to prevent infection.

I hope they do (and know they do most of the time, from other evidence).

They protect against serious disease and death> the UK evidence on that is…

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We would ned to look very closely at this study to work out whether the results indicated causal relationship between taking these medicines and lower risk, or something else.

It is like Vitamin D. It could have beneficial…

(Quote from Wyttenbach)

Only because you like bits of the data!

But it is good data, especially when you read the * caveat about not using that one table you like because of issues about the rate denominators.

Except that those unvaccinated rates are…

(Quote from Alan Fletcher)

NO

Sorry for the ambiguity.

It in this sentence is Bryant et al.

Hill, for example retracted his meta-analysis when Elgazaar was withdrawn - because it had such a large effect on the results.

Bryant et al should have redone (or…

(Quote from Alan Smith)

And arguable, you should get infected soon after you have been vaccinated.

Infection triggers parts of immune response that vaccine does not.

I expect we will go on having 6 months or yearly vaccine shots - like Flu, in which case…

(Quote from Alan Fletcher)

If small sample given 80+ unvaxxed is small proportion maybe quantisation leads to downward error. Still unless down to 0 (and then there is no proper rate) i'd not expect this to be enough

(Quote from uncertainH)

So: you need to select the RCTs which are of high enough quality to be useful in a meta-analysis. Bryant et al, the most pro-ivermetcin (run by FLCC and BIRD as the two lead authors are in them, hardly unbiased), selects (16?0 of…

(Quote from uncertainH)

I understand that - they are not entirely accurate, being a pro-ivermectin PR site. Still, I'm not aware of gross errors in that list. Where is it inconistent with what i've said?

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Fascinating sociological analysis of what I thought was basic epidemiology.

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Hi uncertain.

Could you clarify please?

Elgazaar was withdrawn because after an investigation of the data there were bad weirdnesses, RusselSquare withdrew it.

http://steamtraen.blogspot.com…a-from-a-Covid-study.html

Niaee has been…

(Quote from Wyttenbach)

It is a day for free Wyttenfacts!

read LENR Forum and get your fill...

[general point nothing is 100% in medicine except W's ability to generate Wyttenfacts]

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Wyttenfact. Given the very large Indian COVID wave (70% infected) and everyone admits massive X10 or more undecounting of India's dead (e.g. - no COVID in the countryside but a nasty fever that killed lots of people).

Of course…

(Quote from Shane D.)

yes, or there could be effects that make the in vitro studies wrong.

My point is that we start off with no real reson (except FLCC PR) to think ivermectin will be helpful. It is an interesting dug, with lots of possible action, but…

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Please read the detailed (no Wyttenfacts) paper that Jed and I linked. it addresses that point.