Hawking radiation is produced by Bose condensation.

  • Quote from axil

    These BECs(the term black holes have a bad political connotation)


    Axil, both terms are scientific not political. Black holes are Schwarzschild singularities, very well defined. They have even been observed (indirectly).


    BECs are particles (or pseudoparticles) in an identical quantum state from which they do not have enough energy to transition.

  • Axil, both terms are scientific not political. Black holes are Schwarzschild singularities, very well defined. They have even been observed (indirectly).


    BECs are particles (or pseudoparticles) in an identical quantum state from which they do not have enough energy to transition.


    There as a law suit placed again CERN for potental micro black hole creation.http://www.universetoday.com/13385/hawaiian-man-files-lawsuit-against-the-large-hadron-collider-lhc/

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    “The compression of the two atoms colliding together at nearly light speed will cause an irreversible implosion, forming a miniature version of a giant black hole. […] Any matter coming into contact with it would fall into it and never be able to escape. Eventually, all of earth would fall into such growing micro-black-hole, converting earth into a medium-sized black hole, around which would continue to orbit the moon, satellites, the ISS, etc.” Walter F. Wagner and Luis Sancho lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Honolulu.

  • IMHO, the transmutation results from Lugano are imposible to fake. Therefore, an active LENR reaction was underway during the Lugano demo.

    Goes to show how reliable the opinion of an anonymous, ah, an internet commentator, is.


    I have come to this story as a possible interpretation of the history of the Rossi affair.


    In 2014, IH had bought and received delivery of the Plant. They were having difficultly finding any XE from the devices. Rossi arranged Lugano. He set up conditions where the Lugano professor errors were very possible -- and if Axil doesn't understand how the heat measured there was error, he's good at word salad but not at understanding -- and then, to top it off, he provided a salted ash sample. I've seen it claimed that Rossi did have dealings with a company that supplies nickel isotopes. At this point, Rossi had the IH license money to play with and he needed some buzz showing positive results. There is no question that this was possible, but that there was major transmutation with little actual heat is highly suspicious, at least.


    Then this year, in May, Rossi provided another ash sample to Bo Hoistad. The analysis was the same as the Lugano sample, though this was supposedly after a year of operation, not just a month. Of course it was the same. It was the same material that Rossi had prepared back in 2014.


    However, that ash belonged to Industrial Heat in 2015. Rossi basically stole it, if it was actually taken from the reactors. More likely, it wasn't. But Rossi did "refuel" on the last day of the alleged Doral test. In other words, he took all the fuel. Why?


    Rossi always has some excuse. However, the decision to refuel was not his, it would have been IH's and it appears that they did not notice the blog posts where he talked about it. They didn't know about it until recently.


    Rossi has been creating fraud for a long time. Did he ever have anything real? Maybe, but maybe not. When did it start?


    There is so much evidence in the Amended Answer, and I'm seeing that many on Planet Rossi seem to be unable to understand it. So, suppose IH is lying, as to their interpretations. But what evidence have they shown? What is their interpretation? What I have seen from Planet Rossi is not even wrong.


    They flat do not recognize what is being claimed, and don't repeat it accurately. Rather, they exaggerate it, typically, to make it seem preposterous. They ignore the extensive evidence of Rossi deceptions, weak excuses, etc.


    "But James A. Bass" could be a real person!" "Johnson Matthey could really be the secret customer!"


    They ignore that the argument for moving to Florida was for a sale of power, not any kind of test. That testing wasn't mentioned in the Rossi letter or in Term Sheet covering the Doral installation. This was a 2-year sale of power at $1,000 per month per megawatt. However, it is apparent that because, by February, 2016, it was apparent to Rossi that IH was not going to pay, and to IH that Penon's measurements were going to be used for a lawsuit, IH padlocked the reactor, because they expected a lawsuit by this time and wanted to preserve evidence, and they saw that things were being done to remove it, the instruments being removed by Penon, lines being cleaned, etc. The "customer" who was so eager, who so much needed power immediately, had no objection or complaint.


    (By February, communications between Rossi and IH were through Rossi's attorney, Annesser, and Jones Day. So when Rossi announced at the beginning of March that there was no "divorce," he way being highly deceptive, and that seems to be a common theme when we go back over these old statements. Again and again, and over and over.)


    This whole thing was a con, a scam, an excuse, and what is truly amazing is that Rossi seems to have thought that by including Cherokee in the lawsuit, they would cave and quickly settle. A bridge too far.

  • There as a law suit placed again CERN for potental micro black hole creation.http://www.universetoday.com/13385/hawaiian-man-files-lawsuit-against-the-large-hadron-collider-lhc/
    “The compression of the two atoms colliding together at nearly light speed will cause an irreversible implosion, forming a miniature version of a giant black hole. […] Any matter coming into contact with it would fall into it and never be able to escape. Eventually, all of earth would fall into such growing micro-black-hole, converting earth into a medium-sized black hole, around which would continue to orbit the moon, satellites, the ISS, etc.” Walter F. Wagner and Luis Sancho lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Honolulu.


    Quoting this without context is irresponsible.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole


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    Safety arguments
    Main article: Safety of high-energy particle collision experiments
    Hawking's calculation[10] and more general quantum mechanical arguments predict that micro black holes evaporate almost instantaneously. Additional safety arguments beyond those based on Hawking radiation were given in the paper,[23][24] which showed that in hypothetical scenarios with stable black holes that could damage Earth, such black holes would have been produced by cosmic rays and would have already destroyed known astronomical objects such as the Earth, Sun, neutron stars, or white dwarfs.


    There is much more coverage of the topic in the "main article", including the disposition of that lawsuit, which was in 2008. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…cle_collision_experiments


    Repeating this stuff, I'll repeat, is highly irresponsible:


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    On 10 September 2008, a 16-year-old girl from Sarangpur, Madhya Pradesh, India committed suicide, having become distressed about predictions of an impending "doomsday" made on an Indian news channel (Aaj Tak) covering the LHC.[68]


    After the dismissal of the federal lawsuit, The Daily Show's correspondent John Oliver interviewed Walter L. Wagner, who declared that he believed the chance of the LHC destroying the Earth to be 50%, since it will either happen or it won't.[69][70]

  • Quote from Axil

    There as a law suit placed again CERN for potental micro black hole creation.http://www.universetoday.com/13385/hawaiian-man-files-lawsuit-against-the-large-hadron-collider-lhc/


    And you conclude from that, what?


    Have you read the LHC safety analysis reports? I have :)

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    After the dismissal of the federal lawsuit, The Daily Show's correspondent John Oliver interviewed Walter L. Wagner, who declared that he believed the chance of the LHC destroying the Earth to be 50%, since it will either happen or it won't.[69][70]


    This is typical of the worryingly low level of science and maths understanding in much of US society. Weird, for a country that also has such clever people.


  • I will not dare entering further the high level discussion this thread has developed into, but do you think that triboelectricity could generate the high voltage required for your described effect?


    See this thread for a related discussion I engaged into today: New article about Etiam Oy in Finnish technology magazine


    I beleive that the 100,000 volt electrostatic potential driver is an invention that Rossi has come up with and it is unique to Rossi's patent. Rossi has the IP for this LENR trigger locked up.

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    About black hole destroying the planet I confirm the explanations of @Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax


    the argument have been considered since long, and Auger observatory have observed constant flux of ultra-high energy particle from space, up to EeV, making LHC looking like a baby toy compared to a H-Bomb.
    If TeV black hole could destroy planet, there will be no Earth since long. It won't have survived it's first day. World neither in fact.


    this was a good question, answered.

  • I'm interested in question how they managed to observe quantum effects of Hawking radiation in the lab? Did they measure the radiation level with simple monitors as Ecotest Group offers? In this way that's something unbelievable. Perhaps we are talking about very small black holes

  • I'm interested in question how they managed to observe quantum effects of Hawking radiation in the lab? Did they measure the radiation level with simple monitors as Ecotest Group offers? In this way that's something unbelievable. Perhaps we are talking about very small black holes


    There is a principle is physics called duality. Duality means that two or more very different systems can follow the same mathematical rules. four very different systems can produce Hawking like radiation: water, sound, EMF, and light.



    If you are interested in understanding this concept, here is an explanation.


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    Otherwise wallow in ignorance like most others here who want to argue about nonsense endlessly.

  • Well, it is not really duality, there are any number of systems involving pseudo-particles where the speed of sound behaves like the speed of light wrt a black hole.


    Basically, it is not H radiation - but it comes from a system obeying the same laws so if observed it provides some confidence that the original also exists.

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