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  • Rossi: Customer’s Manufacturing Process was Endothermic

    Quote from THHuxley

    Carnot efficiency = 373 - 313/313 ~ 20%. Thus even with an optimally efficient endothermic process leading to embodied chemical energy the required waste heat is still 800kW.


    So the "endothermic reaction" excuse is just blog silliness.


    @ THH: Chemistry and Carnot are two different disziplines.


    But anyway, if You can find a process to harvest the energy of a delta T of 70C and store it chemically then You are a rich man.


    But the other way round. It takes a lot of energy to liquidate a massive body.., or to break up raw material (phase change). But where are the transportations?


    I would reevaluate your post...

  • Rossi: Customer’s Manufacturing Process was Endothermic

    Quote from JedRothwell

    Equipment large enough to cool down 1 MW with air cooling is cheaper than water cooling I think.


    Thus finalize Your logic and present us the water-bill!


    Even a very energy efficient endothermic process needs cooling (80C --> 20C) after production. Anything better than 30% (300kWh) waste would be fantastic!


    There are enough witness around to ask for any transportation to the Doral warehouse. The only problem is the adjacent room, (same size) which could have been used...

  • Industrial Heat Amends Answer to Rossi’s Complaint on Aug 11th

    Quote from Paradigmnoia

    Some of that sweat may have been from fear and adrenaline.
    The car was starting to try to fishtail in the rollers, with two technicians sitting on the trunk and we never did get it to full throttle.
    It was shut down before someone got killed.


    @pm: I like that!


    What people usually forget, is the Doral total size of the "appartment was about 600m2 and possibly it was 8 meters high which gives about 5000m3. The recomended heating dimension for an unisolated room is 150Watts/m2. but the building was somewhat isolated and Florida is never below 0 for a longer period. Thus the maximum heating required would have been around 100kW. (Winter.. time!!!)


    Thus with 100kWh in summer, all doors must have been open... except they dumped the heat...what is the only working solution for the customer area. (which took about 400m2)

  • Experimental evidence to date for He / excess heat correlation in LENR experiments to have nuclear mechanism

    Quote from Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

    D-D fusion generally goes one of two branches: D+D -> T + proton, or D+D -> 3He + neutron. The very rare branch is D+D -> 4He + gamma.


    So neutron count is around 0.5/event. (kinetic hot fusion of free/loosely coupled particles)


    Quote from Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

    Wyttenbach's comment has nothing to do with what Hermes wrote. The distinction between hot and cold fusion is incident energy.


    That's the problem in sono-fusion. The incident energy is very high. But it is not a single D flying onto a target, which is well known from literature. In sono-fusion a ultra thin, one dimensional, strongly correlated stream of Deuterium moves onto a target.


    The same problem occurs also with the Holmlid experiment. The incident energy is very high, even higher than in ITER...


    I seems that in a strongly correlated environment energy can be mediated.


    May be we should define a LENR reaction as following: Nuclear reaction in a mediating (strongly corelated) environment (=NRME).


    ==> and forget about the incident energy.

  • Experimental evidence to date for He / excess heat correlation in LENR experiments to have nuclear mechanism

    Quote from Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

    Remarkably, this was missed by many of the early skeptics, who simply assumed that if it was nuclear, it was fusion and if it was fusion, it was d-d fusion and, of course that was an f-level impossibility and would have produced copious neutrons and then, if somehow the branching ratio was warped drastically to make helium, where are the gammas?


    How many neutrons do You personally expect from D-D fusion? 1/event, 0.001/event or even less?


    (Or bettter look up the figure...)

  • Experimental evidence to date for He / excess heat correlation in LENR experiments to have nuclear mechanism

    Quote from Hermes

    If we get helium and we don't get neutrons and tritium then there must be another mechanism woirking which explains why. Please don't call it hot fusion.


    Please: Just read the old post's of Peter Ekstrom!


    D-D is the main path of hot-fusion. D-T is a very rare subbranch.


    All people working in dying conventional fusion physics don't like to hear this..sorry!

  • The Industrial Heat Answer

    Quote from THHuxley

    The post you dislike was showing the careful skepticism that LENR needs, and denying nothing.


    THH: Skepticism is something that LENR investors (like IH, urgently) need!


    Any researcher that works in a lab should be skeptical (= carefull) about everything he does and further he should work in a team. This has nothing specific to LENR.


    THH, if you like to help, then make a proposal, how we can get a cheap instrument for reliably measure He.

  • Experimental evidence to date for He / excess heat correlation in LENR experiments to have nuclear mechanism

    Quote from Hermes

    If the underlying process is hot-fusion why wasn't Roger Stringham killed by the neutrons? Maybe it's a quite different process.


    You ask a simplified question, without knowing the details.


    ITER for example is man made hot-fusion, very uncommon in the rest of the univers and producing tons if neutrons. But T-D has a high Gamov-factor.


    The main idea behind LENR is: Only very low energy levels (Some 10-100 eV) are needed to induce/produce the nuclear reaction.


    In hot fusion You need higher energy levels (1000-30000eV) to start the reaction.


    Hot fusion is kinetic (at least one reaction partner) - LENR is "static" as there is no real free path of movment for the reaction partners.


    Now sonofusion: One reaction partner is kinetic. The cristaline needlike center of the colapsing bubble, which bangs into the lattice. (About mach 10) Thus sonofusion is similar to accelerator experiments shooting elements into to other target elements.
    But to start a sono-fusion experiment You need only about 4 Watt input, the path of the bubbles is very short and after they entered the lattice the NAE is LENR.


    But contary to most LENR reactions You get radiation. Most He4 is freed (==>Alpha radiation) and induces Bremsstrahlung (mostly "soft" X-rays).


    Thus to my understanding classical LENR is fully contained in a close NAE which confines products and radiation.


    It would be better we define a set of rules for nuclear reactions which allow to classify them exactly.

  • The Industrial Heat Answer

    Quote from THHuxley

    The strongest experimental evidence against LENR is the prevalence of marginal excess heat results.


    This is not a discussion whether the glass his half full or half empty. If in a Pd-D-D reaction You measure He well (10x) above ambient then it's LENR...


    Our old LENR denier THC of course always first looks for the way out of his dilemma.


    Fleischmann, in 1989, already measured He well above ambient, but he didn't believe it.


    What we need is a receipt (for a reactor) to produce heat at a reasonable high COP, with a reliable LENR system, that does need no intervention for at least one month.


    We need no experiments to convince THC, this is just a waste of time...

  • Industrial Heat Amends Answer to Rossi’s Complaint on Aug 11th

    Quote from JedRothwell

    Part? What fraction? Half? One-forth? Where did the rest of the heat go?


    IH did see nothing (no customer, no delivery etc. for more than 9 months).., how can a bunch of blind investors locate a chimney?


    Just check whether they used water for the cooling. 10m3/hour helps a lot. It's just 2.6l/s that go down the gully...


    Quote from JedRothwell

    The letters he signed in Exhibit 18 look incriminating to me. He signed payments for heat. He must have known there was no heat. Did he never visit the place, or ask to see any proof? He was the president of the company!


    IH must have known that there was no heat.. but ABD believes they billed it. Thus IH was a part of the game anyway... If You bill somebody, You must know it's correct to do so. Otherwise You are the first responsible...

  • Industrial Heat Amends Answer to Rossi’s Complaint on Aug 11th

    He folks! It's that easy. Ask the neighbors of the Doral site, whether any staff moved in (and out) the customers area...


    The other more serious question is: Why did IH not do this?


    Was the famous inspector on a half year road trip in search of the location?


    Exhibit 26 (new) shows a very old photo, that has been taken prior to the test. So we have nothing new from Doral...


    Thereof, I would search for delivered goods etc...


    But the easiest way to get rid of the heat would have been to vent a part of the steam. ==> I would ask the water supply company how much water they used to cool down the part needed to drive the reaction (steam flow).

  • Industrial Heat Amends Answer to Rossi’s Complaint on Aug 11th

    Quote from Eric Walker

    I know nothing about what Darden has done to try to break up the relationship between Rossi and Hydrofusion, apart, perhaps, from introducing that email as an exhibit, which I think would have been very useful information for them.


    It most likely was a flight of humanity!


    Safe the world of even more 1MW reactor waste. This is a counter position to the Neapolitanian Mafia one which would like to have it...

  • Flow meter used in 1-MW test

    Quote from Alan Smith

    Back off Wyttenbach, I am running out of green ink. No calling 'liar' to anyone here, please. It does the forum no good.


    Sorry: But it's so cheap and obvious. For me provable wrong FUD is the worst action to destroy a free worlds societity. IH has enterd in court a document (Exhibit 18) which clearly states, that they knew the flow was 27m3 for far more than 30 days.


    Thus can You please remove all post's which say something else??

  • Flow meter used in 1-MW test

    Quote from JedRothwell

    You are confused. First, that was Johnson, not Penon. Second, he is reporting megawatt-hours, not the flow rate. The flow rate might remain at 36,000 kg/day while megawatt-hours change. If megawatt hours increase, the temperature goes up.



    I guess the only one that's confused is You. The official statement (E18) of IH has been a shot in Your right foot...


    Just one hint. Heat/Steam have a direct linear dependence.


    But if You like it that much, You can continue to lie. But the damned Planet Rossi reported different things (27m3 steam for many days) - may be they are lying too.