Talking about Asimov brought a memory to surface that is somehow LENR related. The very first short story of his “I, Robot” series is about a robot that was destined to work on the moon, and somehow ends stranded on Earth unable to fulfil its purpose. Frustrated, the robot builts a “disinto” (huge disintegration machine as the ones the robot was destined to operate on the moon) and starts it and blows an entire mountain. The story is really fun, but the LENR part is that the “disinto” built by the robot, unlike the ones used in the moon, which are energy hogs, has no discernable power source other than a couple of NiCd batteries, but the robot is was ordered to forget everything about how the machine was built before anyone realized of this little “detail”.
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I do not think this is a problem. But I am glad that experts are looking into it seriously.
If someone deliberately programs an AI with emotions and the desire to rule over people, THAT would be dangerous! We should guard against that. But I do not think emotions will arise spontaneously as an emergent phenomenon. Because, as I said, Bots are not created by natural selection. I think that emotions, aggression and the will to survive are products of natural selection. I could be wrong about that.
I recommend re reading Asimov's many books on the Robots (AI). He envisioned the three laws for a reason.
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Drax also encouraged quite a number of UK farmers to plant miscanthus - and then cancelled the contract. The same farmers now sell their crop to miscanthus processor Terravesta (who I believe were also stung by Drax).
This goes a long way to show how well meant but poorly thought incentives can backfire. Sad truth.
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Going to have to move some posts out of this thread, please stay on topic, this thread is for discussion of Clean Planet’s commercial development and supporting evidence.
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This comment was made in another thread. Maybe it was moved here? I responded as follows:
You are not sure? Try reading the paper. It says:
L.T. built the test system. C.K. carried out Neon gas detection. I.F. assisted in test system integration
2 Advanced Thermal Devices (ATD), Inc., Konglin Group, New Taipei City, Taiwan. 3 Mastek Technologies,
Inc., New Taipei City, Taiwan. 4 Institute of Nuclear Engineering and Science, National Tsing Hua University, Hsinchu, Taiwan. 5
Department of Mechanical Engineering, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, NV, USA. 6 Department of Mechanical Engineering, National Taiwan University, Taipei, Taiwan.
https://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/HuangBJwatercantr.pdf
Anyone can see those people are very experienced in mass spectroscopy. That does not mean they are right, but for you to suggest they are inexperienced is preposterous.
By the way, many months ago, you agreed to tell us why there are major errors in some of the top cold fusion papers. You can pick one or two papers by Fleischmann, Miles or McKubre. You never reported back. Did you find any errors? What are they?
Sorry JedRothwell , I copied this post in bjhuang ’s thread for answering to THHuxleynew , because this thread is becoming increasingly off topic.
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I copied the above post in this thread as THHuxleynew adressed the results of bjhuang paper.
The experimental results are trace qtys of 17O and 22Ne. We'd need a person very experienced in mass spectometry (not sure if any are here) to determine what are the possible false positives reading spectra and therefore how reliable are these results. There is no serious exploration of this possibility in the paper. Nor of reaction-induced outgassing of material that could lead to these results. Thus it can be a combination of these two potential mechanisms which opens up a lot of things to consider and rule out.
I really don’t know if you took the time to read the paper and the ensuing polemic about some of the authors being from the company that manufactures the mass spectrometers (Mastek). The whole point of their involvement is because the main author wanted to be absolutely sure that the results were not being missinterpreted. Now, you claim that the amount of Ne22 and O17 are “traces”, which is not really the case. The raw data is available if you want it. Edit to add raw data download link. https://drive.google.com/file/…1qxXB6TqhTKltInBu2SF/view
It’s quite a massive file, one of the excel sheets has 177 MB of data.
And also, you are forgetting of the excess heat, measured at the KW scale, well above the 5% error bound, and by classical methods employed for boiler / heat exchanger energy systems that are foolproof for this kind of assesment.
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The patent translation goes hand in hand with this previous blog article:
and I also recommend watching the accompanying lecture video. It is long, but it was time well invested.
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Albeit this is a patent from the Russian Kladov, its directly related to bjhuang work. Bob Greenyer went to great lenghts of effort and meticulously crossed sources for providing us a clean cut and understandable version of this patent, an outstanding result that contains some impressive gems. IMHO this is the first time we have a set of equations defining an operating space based on controllable variables to increase the likelyhood of obtaining excess heat from a cavitation device.
Method for Obtaining Energy - Anatoly Fedorovich KladovGranted patent RU2054604C1 - 2nd July 1993remoteview.substack.com -
You just need a bit more physical background. Ni has the highest in average proton binding energy of 8.7MeV. To enable a competing 4-He spallation reaction this must go down to about 7.5Mev and below for D. Of course its isotope dependent.
In the region of Ag - above Pd adding D still provides >26MeV what is well above the 23.8MeV for 4-He formation from D.
So basically just doing Ni CF(LENR) is a waste of time. These folks should first study the physics of the problem.
I understand that you point out that the reaction doesn’t release much energy, compared to what other reactions might yield, but it is still much better than chemical. My point is that this still can be useful.
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I hope they can share the finished version of the paper soon, this manuscript format is annoying because all the figures are at the end. Anyway it builds on the results already presented at the last IWHALM and is great they were able to get accepted for publication in a Journal.
Albeit the heat values are “modest” as Wyttenbach points out, they are consistent. At times I ponder how much better it could be if the material was engineered and formed to work in a different way, closer to what the original experiments with the Johnson-Mathey H purifier are, in the sense that the hydrogen is confined inside a tubing covered both in the inside and outside with the nano layered material, and a vaccum created outside the tubing would force the H out flowing through the layers and creating
the excess heat. This woulf probably be much more efficient than a waffer of the material inside a big chamber, as it is now.
Now, about those highly O rich regions, I truly hope they do an isotopic analysis, that could be potentially surprising.
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Wait until we have AI peer review.
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From what I have heard about him,
is the kind of guy that can get things done if they are possible.
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One answer here: The separation of Lithium into 6Li/7Li is very easy but prohibited by US law!
The Deuterium/Lithium Bomb uses pure 6Li!
It is indeed a semi famous fact that no other than the controversial Bob Lazar, as owner of United Nuclear (a supplier of chemical products with Nuclear focus), installed a system to separate 6Li at the ceiling of his home. He used it as material to store H for his H powered Corvette. He claims 6Li can store a high density of H.
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Good evening this is LeBob on a different account due to the fact I seem to have trouble signing in again. Happy New year and pleasant discussion to you all now. Interested in how to get to the Chat Gpt page for the site because I clicked on the link and didn't see it. Just regular Google search. Second question, does it also include forum discussion and comment section data from relevant websites like here?
Hello, unfortunately JedRothwell decided to terminate it as was taking too much money to run and was not being used much.
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This is a long video but perhaps useful to this discussion.
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Good ole current creating light in water, with excess heat as a result. I wonder if they account any H to O dissociation. I hope they are better at measuring energy than ENG8.
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The difference between “Free energy” and “Free, for me, energy”.
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Hahaha. From Slashdot:
“Our AI is fake” Lol. Anyway, they still used the likeness and voice so the heirs can still pursue the compensation.
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Proof that EV drivers like the high torque:
Insane mode:
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The faster tire wear is kind of obvious if one knows the much higher torque of hub electric motors, and how the EV drivers like to use that characteristic for high speed up.
