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Transmutation Experiment to Prove Femto D 2 Model of Cold FusionフェムトD 2の常温核融合モデルを証明 Transmutation Experiment to Prove Femto D 2 Model of Cold Fusion - みんなで常温核融合従来の常温核融合炉は、反応部位周辺のD（重水素）濃度が低いため、反応速度が非常に低いという重大な欠点がある。D+のサイズが小さく結晶粒界に留まることができるため、多結晶金属の粒界にDを閉じ込めた常温核反応炉を提案したい。 […]www.techno-gateway.com
Flashback from the conference 1989
This is incredibly useful and will save much time.
I'm just as frustrated with people who reject the helium-energy measurements as Jed, but for different reasons. The basic criterion of reality required by science is replication. Yet, when replication is done and excellent agreement is achieved, this work is rejected. Clearly, we are actually dealing with a problem involving psychology rather than science. Therefore, a logical argument is useless. This being the case, I suggest no further time be wasted on this subject.
The field need help of a well-thought-out communication strategy created by experienced PR people. This could be an important way to build legitimacy and attract new young talent to take us to the next level.
We discussed the importance of good communication in the last L-F moderator talk "coldtalk" yesterday!
This is the most interesting thread I have seen in many years which is in many ways due to the input of the long time experimenter and theorist dr. Ed Storms!
LENR would highly benefit if others like Ed would also join these discussions.
Storms , I highly appreciate your paper as it gives many starting experimenters a flying start and that will benefit the LENR research. I’m not sufficiently involved in the field to really comment on your work, but maybe you can answer this question based on your knowledge:
Would you think that occurrence of LENR in Ni-H is more likely than in Ni-D? And if so, for what reason?
I agree 100%, it would be nice if we can get more professional people to follow in Storm's footsteps! More open research is the right way to go, then everyone will be a winner!
Would say that this is one of the most interesting threads since we started the lenr forum. I am very grateful to everyone who helps make this my favorite place on the web.
Carl Page and Hilda Palencia Address Students at the 2023 ARPA-E Energy Innovation Summit Washington, D.C.
March 22, 2023 — Once again this year, Anthropocene Institute partnered with The Department of Energy’s Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) on the ARPA-E Energy Innovation Summit’s Student Program, a unique opportunity for student energy leaders to engage with companies looking for new talent, as well as learn about new energy initiatives.
I find it exciting and know that many here have not yet tried it. We have to live with hype and bugs.
As I wrote, in this thread let's focus on how we can benefit from the tool!
I'm guessing many of you have heard of Chat Gpt, I think the topic deserves its own thread to discuss its possibilities.
ChatGPT is an AI-powered language model developed by OpenAI. It has been trained on a massive amount of text data from the internet and can generate human-like text responses to a given prompt. It can answer questions, converse on a variety of topics, and generate creative writing pieces.
For the first time, we're seeing something that can really shake Google's dominance of web searches.
Chat Gpt has taken the internet by storm in just a few months, will Google's monopoly fall and Microsoft / Bing take over? 100 million users in just two months!
Chat Gpt can help us find relevant papers faster!
For example, it can do a deep dive into LENR-CANR.org and sort by views that were not possible before.
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Use this thread to discuss how Chatgpt can help the field.
Demonstration 'Cold Fusion' experimental cell (L) and control experiment (R) on display at the Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion. Photo credit: Michael Quan/ZUMAPRESS.comProspective Energy Sources, Part 2: Cold Fusion’s Ice-Cold Reception - WhoWhatWhyThere is no chemical reaction in the world that could generate that kind of damage from a tiny chip of metal. It had to be nuclear.whowhatwhy.org
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I see a similar opportunity here, I don't think there is any reason to communicate if they have found a strategic partner. If something is both complicated and too disturbing, people choose to talk less rather than more.
It's probably time we interviewed Bob Godes, I will ask him. I would remind JedRothwell that Brilluoin did organise live viewing of their device at ICCF-24, though that was a far from perfect demo, since they had not soak-tested the device beforehand for some reason. Carl Page has been close to this project since before ICCF-19, it is surprising that such a well-connected chap has not so far found them a commercial partner.
Jed, I think you are both right and wrong! Depends on who's watching.
I don't see any rational reason from an owner's perspective to convince humanity that LENR works, if they have the funding they need, it's absolutely right to develop this under the radar.
My personal perspective
If I look from a more personal perspective and what is best for the planet Earth, I would like to see a total breakthrough, it can shift the focus so that major investment decisions become sustainable over time. A breakthrough will be redbull and cocaine for our stock market in the coming millennium. )
When LENR is totally accepted, the capital will flow, growing fast is not always easy, culture is complicated in a company that grows quickly.
My belief is that they only make convincing demos to selected investors.
I disagree. I wish they would focus on demonstrating the effect to scientists and engineers, to persuade a large number of people that the effect is real. That would be much far cheaper and faster than commercialization. To take my favorite example, the Wright brothers tried to commercialize from 1905 to mid-1908. They got nowhere. Their rivals began to gain in them. Their problem was that very few people believed they could actually fly. On August 8, 1908, Wilbur flew in front of a crowd of experts and reporters in France. He only flew for a few minutes, but those people understood what they saw. They instantly understood that the Wrights had completely solved the problem of flight, that they "mastered the air" as one of the French observers put it. The experts told the reporters what was what, and within days Wilbur was the most famous person in Europe. Hundreds of thousands of people came to see flights. They has no difficulty commercializing after that. See:
Here's the thing that a modern person may not realize. In 1908, it was not easy to tell that an airplane was working. You had to be an expert. In 1908, dirigibles had flown long distances. Many people did not understand the difference between lighter-than-air aircraft and airplanes. When they heard that Wilbur flew for a few minutes they said, "So what? The Count Zeppelin has flown for hours." Furthermore, by 1908, some French pilots had flow for hundreds of meters. But their aircraft were barely controlled. Essentially uncontrolled. It was not really flying. More like an uncontrolled hop, like putting a propeller on a washing machine and going some distance through the air. The French did not understand 3-axis control, because they had not read the Wright's 1906 patent. Their engines were far more powerful than the Wright's, but they did not develop enough thrust, because only the Wrights understood the physics of propeller blades.
Along the same lines -- the very same lines! -- it might be difficult for a person in 2022 to tell whether a cold fusion demonstration is doing anything interesting. Whether it is actually producing anomalous energy. This is partly because people do not know much about energy. Even scientists such as Morrison did not understand the difference between power and energy, so he had no idea what F&P were saying. (See https://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmanreplytothe.pdf) Even when people know know the difference, a badly designed demonstration will fail to convince them. If I were to set up such an demonstration, it would be convincing. I know how to do that, because I have written product manuals and taught people how to use machines in tech support. Not because I have some special genius for explaining things.
Unfortunately, the video of a test published by Brillouin is not convincing. It does not show what is needed. It is not accompanied by instruments, or explained correctly. There is no quantitative analysis. It will not convince engineers or scientists, and it will certainly not convince educated observers or ordinary people.
They seem to focus on commercialization.
That's really good news!
Attaches the press release