Quote from RobertBryant

Go have a cup of cha..

your age is showing old chap..

wisdom is elusive..

Sure, and let's not worry that an internet troll is using this forum to spread rumors that might get my friends killed. No problem! It can't happen. No one would ever believe the absurd rumors about the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in DC, and go in there with a gun. The Q-anon people would never invade the Capital and try to hang the Vice President. No harm can come from spreading toxic lies and accusing scientists of taking bribes and covering up effective cures. It is not like you can look up the names and addresses of the CDC researchers in the mass media . . . Oh wait, you can.

Quote from RobertBryant

More faith Hallelujah...

the exact design parameters for the amazing 500/50 O/I machine

It is not faith, and it is not amazing. It is a plodding accomplishment. Too conservative a goal, but perhaps the best they can do.

I see no point in calling this "faith" or in claiming these people are not expert physicists who know what they are doing. Let us not invent false reasons to slam these people. The real reasons are bad enough! Their overall project has been a 70-year-long failure. It has been a waste of money. They choked off progress in cold fusion to preserve their own funding. They may have choked off other promising approaches -- I wouldn't know.

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Thanks in advance for removing "maim and control" JR

Let's first ask Wyttenbach and the rest of the Death Cult to stop posting dangerous lies. What do you think will happen to the people at the CDC if the public thinks they accept bribes, or that they engineered the virus, or they know how to cure it but they are preventing the use of effective drugs? We are talking about personal friends of mine. People whose kids went to school with ours.

This is not some abstract danger. Given the internet, social media, doxxing and the other toxic 21st century culture, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. They are dedicated scientists doing the best they can. They made some grievous errors with test kits and with other problems. Unfortunately, doctors and scientists always make mistakes. That is unavoidable, even when mistakes end up costing thousands of lives. Believe me, the researchers know what their mistakes have cost us.

That's just the lies Wyttenbach posts here about the staff at the CDC. That's one tiny fraction of his destructive, irresponsible attacks. The other lies that that he and the anti-vax, anti-science fanatics have spewed out killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. And yes, this is supposed to be a science forum, so I do not think blatant, dangerous, evil, politically motivated lies should be allowed. Or if they are allowed, the people posting them should provide some evidence from a legitimate source, and not some other sick-minded internet troll. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Mind you, TEPCO and government officials have lied about the Fukushima disaster in the past. They have downplayed the difficulties, and hidden the dangers. The public does not trust them. Foreign countries don't trust them. I don't trust them! But I am sure they were not planning to dump untreated water into the ocean. They know how to concentrate radioactive crud and remove it from water. They have probably done the best job of that that anyone could. Is it good enough? Is there still danger? How much crud is really left? I wouldn't know. It would not shock me to learn there is still danger, despite what they say.

Quote from RobertBryant

Evidence please JR..

is this faith based?

No, it is based on the fact that they met their previous design goals, which were published long before the reactors were made.

These are smart people. They are capable. They know a terrific amount about physics. Unfortunately, they do not know how to make a practical tokamak plasma fusion electric generator. No one knows how to do that. Perhaps it cannot be done. No one knows if it is possible.

The Star Wars space defense system is similar. Anyone can see that in principle, you can hit an incoming rocket with another rocket and fend off an attack. There is no doubt they have actually hit a rocket with a rocket. The problem is, this is so difficult that most of the time they miss by a wide margin -- I think by hundreds of kilometers. The other problems are, for example, it is far cheaper and easier to devise countermeasures that defeat the defense rocket than it is to make that rocket. You can defeat it with decoy mylar balloons, for a few dollars, whereas the rocket costs hundreds of millions. Space defense is possible in principle, but with today's technology is not possible in practice.

As far as I know, the plasma fusion program has always met its design goals. The reactors have done what they were designed to do. The problem is, the goals have been tepid. They have been very small steps that have not brought the technology anywhere near practicality. They have not begun to address key problems such as how to convert the output to electricity.

In 1903, the Wright brothers flew for the first time. The first flight was 120 feet about 6' up in the air, more or less in a straight line. Imagine that 5 years later, they announced the goal was to fly 500 feet, 10' high, in a straight line. That is not hard to imagine, because that is about the best their competitors in Europe could manage. Imagine their goal was to fly a mile by 1940. That would be unexciting. Yes, it would be flying, but nothing that could lead to a practical airplane. As it happened, by 1905 they flew for 24 miles in 39 minutes, flying in circles, under control, way up in the air. They had solved most major problems with stability and control and they had improved the engine. That was progress! If the plasma fusion people were making that kind of broad, multifaceted progress, we would have to give them credit, and the public would be justified in supporting their research.

Quote from RobertBryant

"designed to produce 500MW for 50MW of input"

designed to are weasel words..

perhaps " aimed to produce 500MW for 50MW"

or "hoped to produce 500 MW for 50 MW"

Surely it has been carefully designed. It is not just a hope or a goal. They must be using the best supercomputers and the most skilled people available to design the thing. That does not guarantee it will work, but it is way better than merely "hoping."

They have not designed a practical means of converting fusion power to electricity. They did not design much else that would be needed to make this into a practical source of electricity. I think they have not said much about such problems to the Congress or the public. There is a lot to criticize them about, and a lot left out of their plans. But, to suggest they have not made every effort to design the thing is silly.

Quote from RobertBryant

ITER.. the Way.. has many researchers and it has many marketeers...

a sizeable marketing budget commensurate with

its revenue... The Way needs to be protected and nurtured..

What is ITER's revenue?? it is not trivial.

There will be no revenue. They are not claiming there will be. They are not hiding the fact that this is a giant experiment.

Look, I am no friend of the plasma fusion researchers. They have been the locus of opposition to cold fusion from the day it was announced. Gene Mallove documented that. They have been deeply unfair. Dishonest. But not about the things they are accused of here. They never said the reactors produce useful energy, and they never claimed ITER would make revenue. Let's criticize them for the things they are actually guilty of, rather than things they have not done such as saying ITER will make revenue, and rather than their correct use of standard physics terminology such as power and energy.

I get that in ordinary conversation "power" usually means useful electric power. But that's not what it means in a discussion of plasma physics, and I really do not see how that would confuse anyone. "Power" does not mean electric power when you are talking about an automobile engine. That's mechanical power. Does that confuse anyone?

Quote from Dr Richard*

Its simple all they have to do is evaporate off the H2O in salt pans then concentrate the heavy isotopes in the salt.

Do you think that has not occurred to them?

I do not know the technical details, but evidently, the problem is harder than you imagine. What you describe would occur to anyone in the first 30 seconds thinking about this situation. The Japanese in charge of the project say they have already removed all of the radioactive crud, leaving only trace levels of tritium, using a more sophisticated gadget than you describe. See:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/20…ive-water-ocean/100065724

Perhaps tritium is particularly hard to remove. I wouldn't know. Tritium has a short half-life. A lot of it was dumped into the ecosystem before nuclear test bans were implemented. That portion is virtually all gone now. There are naturally occuring additions of tritium at high altitudes. The Japs (as you call them) have estimated this natural background adds far more tritium to the ocean than dumping the water would.

QUOTE ABC:

What has happened to the water?

All of the water that touches the highly dangerous molten nuclear fuel contained within the destroyed reactors also becomes radioactive.

Whether it's used as cooling for the destroyed reactors or comes in from ground or rainwater, it is collected and then run through a sophisticated processing network of pipes.

The water is stored in tanks at the Fukushima nuclear plant.(ABC News: Jake Sturmer)

The water is treated to remove more than 60 different types of radioactive materials from it, but the Advanced Liquid Processing System (ALPS) doesn't completely purify the water.

The radioactive element, tritium, remains inside all of the stored water, albeit at "low" levels, according to TEPCO.

The reason tritium remains is because it is a radioactive isotope of hydrogen and hard to separate from water.

See also:

https://www.world-nuclear-news…d-Fukushima-Daiichi-water

https://www.tepco.co.jp/en/dec…naction/alps/index-e.html

https://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/…/handouts_150316_02-e.pdf

I have not found a detailed technical description of the ALPS system. I suggest you find one, read it, and then tell us why your rather crude method would be better. The Japs have had their say, so now let's hear from the honkys, gringos, wops or whatever group you hail from.

Quote from Wyttenbach

But to get the budget they cheat and lie to the politicians. ITER has clearly stated: Break even = IN = OUT. IN = current so OUT must be current too. Of course is not current its just heat going to the ground... (in very best case...)

The fact that input is electric power and output is heat is very clearly stated in the reports and PR documents. Electricity and heat are both forms of energy, so that a legitimate comparison. This it not cheating or a lie. This is how the experiments work. Anyone who read the reports or PR documents will see that the devices convert electric power into heat, with some excess heat from fusion. That is also how electrochemical cold fusion works. Cold fusion experimental papers make this very, very clear, as do the plasma fusion papers. There is no cheating or lying.

As I said before, what do you people want the plasma fusion researchers to say? Electricity and heat are energy. They can be compared exactly; a watt is a watt. How can they explain their results except by describing power and energy balances? Do you want them to invent some new word for "energy"? How would that clarify matters???

There is nothing the least bit deceptive about describing a device that converts electricity into heat, and comparing input to output. All electricity always converts to heat in the end.

I get that this confuses Krivit. He has said that many times in his book and videos. I see that he is confused, even though I am not. What I do not get is what Krivit wants the plasma fusion researchers to say. What is his remedy? How are they supposed to describe their results?!? What more can they say to clarify this?

He wants the the plasma researchers to make it clear that their results do not describe actual, useful energy such as electricity or process heat. But they do make that clear! They say that! It is obvious from everything they publish. It is equally obvious from everything in the cold fusion literature that we are not talking about useful devices or a useable level of heat.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Of course for JED CDC is not a legitimate source. (may one non FM/R/J mafia member is working for them...) To much bribed.

There is not a single recorded instance of bribes paid to anyone at the CDC in the history of that organization. If anyone did pay a bribe, that person and the person who accepted it would be in Federal penitentiaries for a long time. I know people at the CDC. I know what conditions they work under, and how closely they are watched.

You are attacking these people with blatant lies, in the service of you agenda to kill, main and control. People like you on social networks precipitate attacks against scientists and public health officials, which endangers their careers, and even their lives. The people at the CDC and elsewhere have been subjected to terrible pressure from the disease, and you add fuel to the fire.

Have you no shame? At long last, is there nothing you will not say, no matter how dangerous, in the service of your campaign to destroy lives and murder people? The facts mean nothing to you. The harm you cause means nothing to you. The lives of researchers, and patients, and doctors -- all should be sacrificed to enhance your political power and feed your ego, and your delusions that you know better than the doctors.

There is a surge of cases in Michigan of the UK B.1.1.7 variant. The governor of Michigan has asked Uncle Sam to expedite vaccines and send more experts to slow down the surge. Unfortunately, this will not work well, for reasons relating to the biology of the virus and the vaccines. It would work with some other viruses, such as smallpox. The vaccines are effective against the UK variant, as shown in the UK. However, the latency period after the vaccination and before it begins effective protection mean that this surge should be controlled with masks and social distancing. An epidemiologist explains:

https://www.washingtonpost.com…higan-its-covid-19-surge/

QUOTE:

Vaccines won’t save Michigan from its covid-19 surge

Céline Gounder, an internist, infectious-disease specialist and epidemiologist, is host of the “Epidemic” and “American Diagnosis” podcasts, chief executive of Just Human Productions and a CNN medical analyst. She served on the Biden-Harris Transition Covid-19 Advisory Board.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, is calling on the Biden administration to surge covid-19 vaccines to her state, where overall cases are as high as they were in November thanks in part to the B.1.1.7 variant of the virus first identified in Britain.

I feel for the governor, but vaccines are not going to save her state. The best strategy for Michigan at this point is to implement the same public health measures that we’ve been using for more than a year.

This is an important lesson not only for Michigan, but also in other places experiencing a surge. The B.1.1.7 variant, now the dominant strain of covid-19 in the United States, is wreaking havoc in Michigan and Minnesota. It’s driving an increase in cases in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, Florida and parts of Texas. B.1.1.7 is landing even younger adults in the hospital with severe covid-19. The Michigan Health and Hospital Association found that hospitalizations increased by 633 percent among adults in their 30s and by 800 percent for adults in their 40s over the course of March. . . .

[Additional help and vaccines are being deployed but . . .]

There’s another, more important reason for why more vaccines won’t stop the surge: the coronavirus’s incubation period. Some have suggested we adopt “ring vaccination,” a strategy used to eradicate smallpox in which everyone who has been exposed in an outbreak is vaccinated. But covid-19 isn’t smallpox. Covid-19 has a median incubation period of four to five days; smallpox, 10 to 14 days. It takes about 14 days after one dose of smallpox vaccine for someone to develop an immune response. This means that smallpox vaccination can prevent illness even after someone’s been exposed. Covid math isn’t smallpox math. . . .

. . . The hard truth is that the measures that will help curb Michigan’s surge are those that take effect instantly: masking, sticking to household bubbles, socializing outdoors, not gathering indoors and maximizing indoor ventilation. These are the same mitigation measures that we’ve been recommending for months, the same measures we’re all tired of following and the same measures that so many are discarding now that we have vaccines (even if they haven’t yet been vaccinated).

This is likely to be unwelcome news for Whitmer, who has been resisting imposing unpopular pandemic restrictions once again in her state. But it’s important to understand that while vaccines are great at preventing outbreaks from taking off, they are not so great at slowing a surge once it’s happening. . . .

Quote from Alan Smith

The clotting problem appears to be quite rare. As of Monday, more than 6.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine had been administered in this country. But officials acknowledged the investigation — and increased use of the vaccine, which was shipped in record numbers last week — could lead to the discovery of more cases.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/…39373-e1ed2e8872-44567417

As noted in the Stat article, the clotting problem may be occuring with modified adenovirus vaccines. These include J&J, AstraZenica, Sputnik V and CanSino. There have been no reports of clotting with the mRNA based vaccines. Quote:

Top officials of the Food and Drug Administration and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention stressed during a press conference Tuesday that clotting problems have not been seen with the vaccines made by Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech partnership. Roughly 180 million doses of those vaccines have been given so far in the country.

Worldwide, more than 300 million doses have been given.

So, the statement above by Wyttenbach is based on nothing at all, because there is not even a suspicion that the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines might be causing clots:

"Why not stopping Pfizer & Mioderna with > 1000 death after after different type of blood cloths???"

Quote from Alan Smith

Federal authorities on Tuesday recommended that states stop using Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine while an investigation is conducted into six serious cases of clotting problems — one of which was fatal — that were reported among women who received the vaccine.

If this was actually caused by the vaccines, it is the first valid report of a death.

It is very foolish to stop administering a vaccine that will definitely save millions of lives because it might kill one or two people per million. Or more likely 1 per 100 million. All vaccines and all other public health measures, including even seat belts, will harm or kill a few people per million. Politicians who make such decisions are pandering to ignorance. They have no concept of risks versus benefits.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Of course 5000 deaths are no deaths.

No, they are imaginary deaths. No such deaths have been reported by any legitimate source. You probably made up this XX yourself, or you found this number somewhere. Either way it is a XXX lie, circulated by you and other members of the Death Cult. Your goal is to kill, maim, frighten and control people with ignorance. Why you are allowed to post these lies here is beyond me, but apparently it is okay to endanger and kill people as long as you don't say that is your goal.

Quote from Navid

How can I find this number? I know of the "suspected" cases which are even more...

You can find this number the same place all numbers from Wyttenbach come from. He pulls them right out of . . . thin air. He makes them up, the way you do, or he dredges them out of some sewer on the internet. If you want actual information you should look at a credible source such as the CDC. But of course you and the other Death Cult members are only looking for lies to back up your campaign to murder and maim people in the service of your perverted political agenda.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Why not stopping Pfizer & Mioderna with > 1000 death after after different type of blood cloths???

Two reasons:

1. You made that up. There have been no deaths from blood clots or anything else from these two vaccines. When you make stuff up, maybe you yourself come to believe your own lies, but anyone who bothers to look up the facts will see you are lying. So what is the point? Who are you trying to fool?

2. Even if the vaccines had killed 1000 people, they will save millions of lives, so the tradeoff is worth it.

Israel and the UK have the highest percent of the population vaccinated. The vaccination campaign has been an overwhelming success in both countries. They are on the verge of eliminating the disease. In Israel, the whole of society is now back to normal, with schools, restaurants and other facilities the way they were before the pandemic. This is one of the most effective public health campaigns in history. It is a triumph of biology and medical science. See:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0…c-life-may-look-like.html

Israel offers a hint of what post-pandemic life may look like.

April 5, 2021

Israel’s vaccination program has been remarkably swift and successful. In recent weeks, new coronavirus infections have dropped significantly, from a peak of 10,000 a day in January to a few hundred by late March. The economy has almost fully reopened.

And just as Israel became a real-world laboratory for the efficacy of the vaccine, it is now becoming a test case for a post-lockdown, post-vaccinated society.

The Green Pass, a document that can be downloaded to a smartphone, is the entry ticket. . . .

The UK is also on the verge of eliminating COVID-19.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

https://www.washingtonpost.com…5-7d2f0182750d_story.html

Quote from Curbina

He is clearly focused on the misleading language that has been repeatedly and consistently used to promote and gain support for the multi million mega projects of Fusion, and that is aimed towards non specialists,

It just does not seem misleading to me. Maybe because I am used to it? I have been dealing with plasma physics and fusion since college. Frankly, I do not see how else the experiments can be described. What other technical words should they use?

If the plasma researchers gave the Congress or the public the impression that their machines already produce useful heat, that would be deceptive. They never said anything remotely like that. Their PR literature and papers make it very clear these are experimental devices intended to answer questions and make progress in the science. You might make the case that the devices have failed to make progress, but I just don't see that they are trying to confuse the public about the difference between "power" in experimental results and practical devices.

Quote from Fm1

Simple, Because the United States invested $20 billion in their development!

The U.S. did not invest anything in the Pfizer vaccine development. Pfizer paid for the entire process themselves.