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    Je suis tombé sur cette page Wiki sur la méthode Edisonienne
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edisonian_approach



    Et une section cite l'historien Thomas Hughes expliquant la méthode de Edison.
    Parmis elle, on retrouve des points clés qui résonent avec la proposition LENR-Cities, la notion d'écosystème, l'importance d'aller bien au delà de la simple ingénirie, pour prendre en compte l'usage, et la monétisation des applications.
    Il y a aussi d'autres idées intéressantes, comme l'usage de la méthode scientifique, mais dans un but pratique.


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    L'historien Thomas Hughes (1977) décrit les caractéristiques de la méthode d'Edison. En résumé, ils sont:

    • "Dans la formulation des idées de résolution de problèmes, il invente; dans le développement des inventions, son approche est apparentée à l'ingénierie;. Et dans la recherche de financement et la fabrication et d'autres activités après l'invention et le développement, il innove"
    • Edison "choisi adroitement" des problèmes qui ont fait usage de ce qu'il sait déjà.
    • La méthode d'Edison est d'inventer des systèmes plutôt que des composants de systèmes. Edison n'a pas seulement inventé une ampoule, il a inventé un système économiquement viable pour l'éclairage y compris ses générateurs, les câbles, la mesure de consommation et ainsi de suite.
    • Edison invente en essayant répétitivement des dispositifs dans des environnements de plus en plus complexes, rapprochant progressivement leurs conditions de l'utilisation finale.
    • Edison assemble l'invention avec le modèle économique. Son système d'éclairage électrique a été conçu pour être un concurrent économique à l'éclairage au gaz.
    • Edison assemble et organise les ressources qui conduiront à des inventions couronnées de succès:
      • Hommes ayant des compétences qui aideraient la tâche.
      • Équipement - machines, instruments, produits chimiques, etc.
      • La littérature sur le sujet. Il a commencé un projet avec un examen approfondi de la littérature.
      • Un environnement où le but était invention pas autre chose comme la fabrication.
    • Edison était un leader charismatique qui a repris les idées de ceux qui ont travaillé avec lui.
    • Edison était obsessionnel dans sa quête de résultats, ne permettant pas à des choses comme un manque de sommeil, ou le coût, de le dissuader.
    • Contrairement à l'opinion commune Edison a fait usage de la méthode scientifique, mais d'une manière qui a été limité à la tâche à accomplir et ne pas chercher à développer des théories généralisées.
    • Une clé de la démarche intellectuelle d'Edison était toujours à douter et ne jamais prendre les choses pour acquises.
    • Edison fait un usage efficace de métaphores quand imaginant ses inventions.
    • Il avait une capacité importante à saisir les relations quantitatives malgré sa formation mathématique limitée.
    • Il a travaillé en concevant une idée et de travailler pour l'atteindre.
    • Edison (et ses co-travailleurs) possédaient une excellente dextérité manuelle.
    • Edison a également été très efficace à dessiner, lui permettant de concevoir et de manipuler ses idées sur le papier.
    • Edison a beaucoup fait usage de la méthode "chasse&essaye" mais seulement quand aucune théorie n'existait et d'une manière systématique plutôt que de manière aléatoire.
    • Edison a été distingué par sa capacité à faire face au changement complexe.

    @acalaon
    What is new in you theory, from an experimental point of veiw, is that it seems to cover not only the US-style experiments, electrolysis and pressurized powders producing transmutations and heat, but also some Russian results with heterogeneous plasmoid, wire explosions, and strange particles observations, and even Randell Mills.


    The fact that Russian experiments, and Randell Mills observe really new phenomenon that match none of the theories is epistemologically "cold fusion inside cold fusion". Again, even LENR supporter have the choice to doubt on the experimental results, or on the theories, and against prejudice against non US/Ivy leagues trouble the analysis.


    We need solid replications of all those strange non-Us phenomenons.


    Theory is a double edged sword.
    Without a theory you cannot design experiments and ask good questions to nature, dare the unthinkable.
    But with a theory you often ignore dissenting evidences.


    Problem in LENR is that simple experiments don't exists and LENR experiments are overwhelmed with material science troubles, making a negative not so much an evidence of wrongness, and success not surely a confirmation of righteousness.

    Mary, please apply to youself the rules you try to apply to us.


    You claim US Army was fooled by a US company with the help of an Italian crook, who obtained a permanent visa after inventing a biofuel process.


    please provide evidence. not inuendo, but evidence.
    do you have a report about the fraud on U NH ?


    the occam razor is that what is in the report is exact, coherent, that TEG failed for predictable and genuine reason, linked to mechanic, material science and other industrialization problems.
    My intuition is that Rossi is creative but not the best at finishing the engineering. It seems true for E-cat that was "finished" only with the control of Darden, who is more serious (and richer, maybe this is the real key, not competence ).


    moreover, this is without any importance since the technology of E-cat is proven working more or less, by the pair of report of Ferrara AND Lugano, which independently exclude any of your hypothesis, fraud, scam, delusion, complicity...


    The more or less make the key of the Rossi's F9: if it works unreliably it is an industrial failure, but a scientific non-revolution (since LENR is proven it is an evolution of a "pink flamingo" scientific phenomenon).
    If it works reliably, we hope the general stupidity of Ivy League and the followers will not slowdown innovation too long.


    Note that like you I take Rossi Says as possibility, not as evidence. Rossi is not Mother Theresa, and as Mats Lewan report he exaggerate, refuse to admit his errors, change his mind, try to fool competitors, and seduce supporters and investors... No doubt Tom darden have greater teeth than Rossi and know that Startup spirit better than Rossi, and how to mitigate it.


    Anyway like Altavista search engine, it may fail despite technology, I even predict E-cat technology will lose on the long term, for many business and engineering reasons, unless something surprising happen with Darden&co.

    Michel vandenberghe sur Linked-In vient de publier un article très clair sur le problème de l'innovation pour les innovateurs et les entreprises installées.


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse…place-michel-vandenberghe


    Il présente bien les intérêts de ces deux entreprises complémentaires, à deux pas du succès; l'envie de prendre le contrôle; la peur de le perdre; l'impossibilité de prévoir les usages futurs et l'innovation qui s'y déplace; la possibilité d'attendre confortablement; celle de se faire doubler; et la solution évidente de travailler ensemble, en partageant les bénéfices futurs de l'usage imprévisible...



    Qu'ils ont l'air timides nos deux décideurs hein. :love:
    Faut pas être timide comme ça! ^^

    The report is available in few place and the story, is what Rossi explained :
    - LTI have something promising, but expensive (BiTe TEG)
    - he tried to make it manufactured by subcontractant
    - this did not work
    - the reason is for many complex reasons linked to mechanic and material science


    http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.…ry_items/Thermo(2004).pdf



    Nothing abnormal for high technology innovation.
    It worked at small scale in the lab after month of hard work.
    When industrialized it failed miserably, and the postmortem analysis found that there was intractable problems to scale up.


    This is standard story.


    About funding, it seems joint proposal with CTC:


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    Teaming with Concurrent Technologies Corporation (CTC), LTI has secured DOD funding to identify and quantify applications and develop a model TE device for electrical generation and industrial process applications. While significant benefit is expected in this demonstration program for the DOD, the benefits of TE devices also extend into other areas, such as the power-generation and general industrial sectors.


    If there is a conspiracy, you have Rossi, LTI in US too, and CTC, plus complicity in the army.


    This was discussed there
    The patent of Andrea Rossi about thermo-electric generator


    there is a synthesis of Rossi's position... which match the report.


    Reading his patent
    https://www.google.com/patents/US20050028858
    assembling was part of the innovation.

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    Thermoelectric module, comprising: a plurality of thermoelectric materials with opposed polarity connected by a first and a second conductive element wherein such thermoelectric materials are configured according to respective coating layers applied on at least one of the conductive elements.


    Jus see that similar project, where key innovation is the geometry
    http://energy.gov/sites/prod/f…/f8/deer09_lagrandeur.pdf


    Beside that the main patent is about anisotropic BiTe(+Se+Pd) / BiTe(+Sb+Au) junction.


    In think people may understand why it is difficult.


    Note that Chinese research about using layers of Au/Pd in BiTe TEG modules :
    http://link.springer.com/artic…s10854-011-0306-0#/page-1


    EDIT: following Colwyn advices I found this second report
    http://freeenergyscams.com/wp-…moelectric-Devices-FE.pdfhttp://freeenergyscams.com/wp-…oelectric-Devices-OIT.pdf (same with colors)
    with first part already included in main report, and which detail mosty the application of low grade heat recuperation though TEG.


    I don't see the 3rd report, and I remember it was kept secret by free energy scam. I don't know why, he is not the kind to respect secrecy.

    Mary, you state something only based on your ignorance.


    There is a report on the TEG, and nobody moaned.
    That is all. your claim is just a theory, with contradicting evidence, and nothing else question to support it.
    It contradict the fact that Rossi was an employee, and kept his position, kept his visa.


    This is your general way to conclude, from ignorance, real ignorance or just wilful ignorance.


    I can the same way insinuate that you are paid my ITER physicist to save their budgets, or by big oil (sorry shell, Amoco, SAIPEM, that is not personal) to slow E-cat emergence.
    I have no evidence you are a real people, not a lobbyist , not a paid troll. This is why you can be such a paid troll!
    This is an absolutely unfair attack, but it is simply what you do.


    To be honest I just feel you are a conspiracy theorist, wounded by Orbo story.

    I've just found a post in Chinese about Cold fusion enigma, the history, questioning if it is bad science or real science...
    Article is open but quite negative on average.


    http://www.360doc.com/content/…16/152409_509893289.shtml


    Some Chinese reader may explain better what it mean.


    Bing translate much better than google:
    http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.360doc.com%2Fcontent%2F15%2F1101%2F16%2F152409_509893289.shtml%23
    but anyway it is not totally clear. ;(


    We will seen, and i will remind all that you said, here and on ECN, all the very good arguments you proposed, and did not apply to yourself.


    You are an evidence for Feyerabend's relativism.
    There is no absolutely convincing evidence. There is no limit to delusion, especially with competent and intelligent people.

    This catch-22 arguùent is often used and looks rational.
    the problem is that the first not to be rationa are the academic, the editors, the journalist...
    they just don't publicsh informations.


    See how 40 journals refused even to peer review the ENEA DeNinno report 41, to accept Oriani paper despite positive review?
    See woodford investing 50 million and nobody react ?


    As I say often the best evidence is that beside you, Sylvie Coyaud and ECN fanclub, nobody even dare to criticize what is happening in Tohoku, Airbus, Woodford, Elforsk...
    critics fall flat, like fire on wet wood...


    If you see journalist who don't propagate such critics, you know there is a problem.


    in fact many serious people are convinced, and some are investing millions, are building LENR labs, signing agreements, visiting Rossi, discussing with Godes, but they refuse to communicate, and even when they say it in public like what I see in Milan or Neuchatel, there is no present journalist to relay the surprising news.


    Assuming people are rational, money will flow and Nobel will be given is simply naivety.
    It is like assuming that proving to the pope that gay parents are good parents, will make him change his position.
    There will be blood before it is accepted.

    On Nasaspaceflight EmDrive forum thread, an experimente is reporting interesting results, about reduction of artefact sources, while EmDrive thrust stays...
    Andf By the way, he cited a Reddit post which gather many key quote , and each one contain a different drop of truth.


    To taste slowly like a good beer.


    Quote from Tolstoy

    I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.


    Quote from Arthur C. Clarke

    It is really quite amazing by what margins competent but conservative scientists and engineers can miss the mark, when they start with the preconceived idea that what they are investigating is impossible. When this happens, the most well-informed men become blinded by their prejudices and are unable to see what lies directly ahead of them.


    Quote from Mark Twain

    When even the brightest mind in our world has been trained up from childhood in a superstition of any kind, it will never be possible for that mind, in its maturity, to examine sincerely, dispassionately, and conscientiously any evidence or any circumstance which shall seem to cast a doubt upon the validity of that superstition. I doubt if I could do it myself.


    Quote from H. Bauer

    It is not uncommon for engineers to accept the reality of phenomena that are not yet understood, as it is very common for physicists to disbelieve the reality of phenomena that seem to contradict contemporary beliefs of physics


    Quote from Herbert Spencer

    There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

    I cannot judge about the QM part, but beside that the presentation is quite convincing, especially because it address many different observations.


    To people like Edmund Storms who try to test theories with LENR experiments, what would be your proposal ?
    You propose new elements (Zr, Ca....) to test?


    Can you summarise the arguments against your theory ? the justification or the need of improvements ?
    What are the experimental results which don't match ?
    About Iwamura CaO2 NAE is explained, but I don't see the X+2/4/6d transmutations explained ?

    @sengakut just published two article about Cold Fusion reference is two Nikkei publication :


    The first one is the Nikkei BP Technology Roadmap :
    http://amateur-lenr.blogspot.fr/2015/11/bp.html

    that you can find tthere
    http://www.nikkeibp.co.jp/lab/techroad2016/index.html


    The second article is about Nikkei Electronics issue for November 2015 :
    http://amateur-lenr.blogspot.fr/2015/11/201511.html



    http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/atcl/mag/15/398081/100800011/



    It covers Tohoku CMNS/LENR research unit.
    This article was published earlier and discussed few days ago, and discussed too.
    Here is the beginning translated :

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    Research and development in the field called "condensed nuclear science", are increasingly active at home and abroad."Condensed matter nuclear science" is, in a state in which the atoms and electrons are numerous, integrated as in the metal, and the field to study the phenomenon in which the element is to convert. The US University of Utah in March 1989, two researchers announced as "cold fusion (cold fusion)", it stems from that it has caused a sensation in the world.


    In the country's first research department Tohoku The University of Missouri in 2012, even though researchers of condensed nuclear reaction venture is he moved to set up a research center followed, in 2015 to set up a research center to Texas Tech University in cooperation with such research institutes of Italy. In April 2015, research department, which set a "condensed nuclear reaction" to the Tohoku University was first established in the country.


    Change to heavy nuclides lighter elements fused "nuclear fusion", to release the enormous energy at that time. It is shine of the source of the sun. Take advantage of it to the power generation system aimed at practical application of "fusion reactor", such as France and Japan, are promoting the construction of "ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor)" under the international cooperation. To achieve nuclear fusion reactor, 100 million ℃ or more, such as difficulty reaction field is required in a plasma state is also high, practical use compared to the initial target has been significantly delayed.

    Defkalion is dead because they tried to fool a partner during a pony show.
    They never allowed independent test with freedom to handle the reactor, install instruments and change the protocol.
    This is what annoyed Luca Gamberale who finally made the test himself, despite DGT opposition, and he quickly found the problem.
    The skeptics moaned on all but what was the problem.
    Jed smelled the problem from far, and luca measured it.


    That is how it happen when you can test yourself. this is why the freedom of testing, the absence of rossi during part of the tests is a key fact. This freedom is a better indication than the report itself.

    About TEG, the anisotropic structure he proposed to use, was not so revolutionary, maybe just new, as it is what many people try to do.
    The problem until recently with Perovskite is that it was too expensive to manufacture, and Rossi failed like most on that point.


    about your statements on Darden, Woodford, & al, do you realize it looks really improbable, if not incredible? Do you imagine they don't read your posts before investing 50 million?


    You pile improbable conditions, like any conspiracy theorist.
    That is above average. Some don't even use real facts.

    E-cat world make a post on that article
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015…s-for-state-lenr-program/


    An article published on October 30th 2015 in the Ukrainian Weekly Newspaper the Mirror Weekly(Russian: Zerkalo Nedeli, Ukrainian: Dzerkalo Tyzhnia) calls for the Ukrainian government to fund an LENR research program as a means for securing the country’s energy future. The article is written by Dr. Vladimir Vysotsky, professor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences at Kiev National University Shevchenko and is titled “Late again, Gentlemen.” The Mirror Weekly is an influential newspaper and is read widely among political and academic leaders in Ukraine.

    Mary, this is exactly what I explain.
    You notice something strange with the difficulties to replicate the anisotropic structure used for his TEG.This can raise alarms...


    Then you conclude it is sure, then you ignore all others evidence about Tests, about investments, about witnesses...
    and you only keep few cherry-picked interesting facts raising the possibility of fraud among other interpretations.
    This is typical of conspiracy theories.


    even using only the cherry picked evidence, your theory are far from proven, just possible.


    I prefer peer reviewed papers, replications, opinion of first hand witness, like the one of Us Army, essen, Levi, Hoistad, harman, Darden, ...


    Your problem is you take you dreams as a reality.