November Demo predictions

  • It's time to make some predictions about the upcoming November presentation that Rossi will make to highlight the start of production of his LENR reactor product line.


    From his blog as follows:


    "Tom Conover September 29, 2017 at 2:09 PM ...


    Q1: Will the improvements be completed before the presentation?


    Q2: Are the improvements for 1) Manufacturing; 2) Functionality; 3) Sigma 5; 4) All of the above.


    Q3: Your partner expresses interest in making electricity. Will this


    be directly from the 1) QuarkX or using the 2) Carnot cycle?

    Andrea Rossi September 29, 2017 at 2:28 PM


    Tom Conover:


    Thank you for your insight.


    Answers:


    1- yes


    2- 4


    3- both plus something new


    Warm Regards A.R."


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    Something new must have something to do with the production of light. Alan Smith mentioned that he has heard first hand observation of the Quark that light can be produced in any color and the generation of that color is controllable by the operator.

    Some background on the theory that underlie this speculation.

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    Marrying superconductors, lasers, and Bose-Einstein condensates

    http://phys.org/news/2016-06-s…einstein-condensates.html

    A polariton condensate releases output energy to the far field in three ways.

    First, electrons are produced as a decay product of meson production. This type of energy output supports direct electric production.

    Second, the Bose condensate produces heat output like a blackhole from hawking’s radiation

    Three, the Bose condensate produces light as a side peak radiation of visible light output from deep red to very deep blue. The collar that is produced is determined by the density of the polaritons constrained in the condensate.

    This third type of reaction output is what I predict that Rossi is referring to as "something new".

    The referenced article states:

    "They observed high-energy side-peak emission that cannot be explained by two mechanisms known to date: Bose-Einstein condensation of exciton-polaritons, nor conventional semiconductor lasing driven by the optical gain from unbound electron hole plasma."

    For details of this mechanism see as follows:

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep25655

    High-energy side-peak emission of exciton-polariton condensates in high density regime

  • Axil,


    Did you read the PopSci article from Oct 2012 I posted today? If not, do so, and there you will find your answer.


    For the convenience of the reader when you reference something in another thread, you should post a link to it so that one does not need to do any seeking, THis link is valuable as time rolls on and the posts get discombobulated over time,

  • I predict that Rossi's plasma will have a Maxwellian distribution of temperature which includes electrons and all ions, and that the surface area of the plasma will be equivalent to the surface area of a solid of the same external dimensions as the plasma.

    Whether or not these things can be demonstrated to be true.

  • Reference:


    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep25655

    High-energy side-peak emission of exciton-polariton condensates in high density regime


    srep25655-f1.jpg



    In the same way as the standard Mollow triplet with a single atom, the energy gap will show the Mollow-type triplet, which becomes a signature of coherence of the photons with the e-h system and direct evidence of strong coupling.


    Energy diagrams of the dressed states in the two level emitter (A) and the e–h–p dispersion (B). In the left panel of (B), the dipole coupling to the cavity photons and the e–h attractive Coulomb interactions are neglected, while it is include in the right panel. In this case, the electron band (the solid blue curve) is mixed with the +srep25655-m44.gifω0-shifted hole band (the dashed red curve). In the same manner, the hole band (the solid red curve) is mixed with the −srep25655-m45.gifω0-shifted electron band (the dashed blue curve). The triplet spectrum is formed in a certain wavenumber regime, where the valence band of the n + 1 total excitation numbers and the conduction band of the n coincide.

  • At best, you will see something comical. More likely, you will learn nothing definitive about Rossi's claims, nothing whatsoever. Whatever the measurements are, if there are any, will be filled with huge holes and giant areas where mistakes could and probably do reside-- just like the original ecat "tests" presided over by Levi and Lewan and just like the ones supposedly performed by the Swedes.

  • I'm with maryyugo here. If the demo does in fact happen, there will be no unequivocal evidence of energy out being greater than energy in.


    Favourite for fudging is measurement of energy input. Second favourite is crappy calorimetry/temperature measurement.

  • The demo will be the same bullshit as the ‘October 2011 1MW’ plant presentation.


    You remember, the one which was hyped for months by Rossi and on several blogs to become the break-through for the e-cat, because the performance of the plant will be checked by a ‘real customer’, and in presence of top scientists and journalists from all over the world.

    At that time, quite some people were holding their breath, because they sincerely hoped that Rossi’s extraordinary claims are true and he really stumbled about something which might change the world.


    But as it turned out, the ‘performance test’ was actually done by an “old buddy” of Rossi (instead of a ‘real customer’), the ‘test’ was so ridiculous that AP - which send one journalist - decided not to publish anything about it, and the 1MW plant - which according to Rossi - the ‘happy customer’ carried away the next day, was months later seen still sitting in Rossi’s warehouse.


    The difference between the October 2011 test and the October (or is it now the November) 2017 test is, that now only very few hardcore Rossi believers are left.

    This ones are ‘hopeless cases”, which will never be able to read the writing on the wall.

  • I predict that there will be an element of willful shoddiness to the upcoming QuarkX demo, going beyond the minimum needed to make it hard or impossible to verify any claims that are made. These demos seem to have become a game for Rossi, perhaps to see how people react.

  • Everything will remain the same

    Sceptics will remain sceptics.

    Even if quark reactor the size of a wallet after running for month in SSM leaves the branding burn mark on a sceptics' skin, they will accuse Rossi in finding elaborate and fake way to do that.

  • Max - you may be right. I am a huge sceptic of Rossi and his crazy claims and will remain until he shows and demonstrates something (I believe that LENR in general is very worth to investigate and will hopefully become real). So far my only conclusion is that he is simply a very good conman.

    And you do not really believe in such a magic device that would contradict all current knowledge of physics, energy production, material science, thermodynamic and electrical laws etc....and would shame all Nobel prize winners of the past century, don't you?


    Come on! How would and can somebody start to produce and sell a product that has never been shown to the public, demonstrated to official authorities, tested and verified, although everybody (maybe except the Rossi followers on ECW) knows that a device that produces energy and can by chance burn down your home and pollute its environment with any known or unknown axil-particles and radiation, has more than very strong restrictions in its use, approval and sale? How can a device that Rossi was claiming to have developed last year, come now into production? Who the hell orders a "nuclear device" for his home that nobody on earth has ever seen (working)...? Probably Rossi sockpuppets only....

  • zorud

    You can't single out Rossi out of huge number of scientists potentially running scams in even more sophisticated way. It will continue in such a way until we stop having two physicists having 3 different explanations for same event.

    Do you know anybody who experienced time dilution for instance i.e. both of those twins?

    How many other things you can detect with a sensitive interferometer like LIGO, maybe one day they actually catch ether wind and we return to the base we were 100 years ago?

    Let's not go for this argument.

    Please give Rossi at least one thing. For what he has done and has not, he inspired many people to start looking into LENR, oftentimes called 'Rossi effect' in a good meaning.


  • Haha, well said! I should add that the Oct 2011 test was with the 1MW plant, that only ran at half power (500 kw), and had a 500 kw generator plugged in and running the whole time.


    Who knows, maybe he will use that same generator for the QX test. :)

  • Haha, well said! I should add that the Oct 2011 test was with the 1MW plant, that only ran at half power (500 kw), and had a 500 kw generator plugged in and running the whole time.


    Who knows, maybe he will use that same generator for the QX test. :)

    Don't forget the October 2011 condenser "steam" leaving the blue container in twin pipes, going into the twin fan-cooled condensers, then exiting the condensers as water, and without steam pressure (steam at atmospheric pressure, maybe even causing a vacuum as it condenses) or pumps, flowing from the condensers for several meters and then up into the reservoir to a level almost as high as the top of the condensers, (supposedly) without ending up with the condensers full of water to the same level that the water enters the reservoir (against gravity to about a metre above ground level).

    2411-e48-image-bologna-2011-jpg


    2412-bologna-2011-condensate-jpg

  • About the October 2011 Rossifiction "demo"... everything "forty-two" wrote plus the fact that the demo device was powered by a gigantiferous Diesel generator which ran noisily throughout the entire performance. The "data" were provided by Rossi's stooge, scrawled in hand writing on a dirty piece of paper. That's Rossi's version of high tech. At least Steorn's fake gadgets looked classy.


    ETA: sorry Shane, I wrote that before I read yours saying the same and written ahead of mine...


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    I predict that there will be an element of willful shoddiness to the upcoming QuarkX demo, going beyond the minimum needed to make it hard or impossible to verify any claims that are made. These demos seem to have become a game for Rossi, perhaps to see how people react.


    No, Eric. The purpose of the increasingly stupid demos is to sort out the potential investors by level of gullibility. At this point, Rossi wants only the dumbest ones. That's exactly what Nigerian scammers do and that accounts for why their phishing emails telling people they have been awarded millions of dollars are so silly. They don't want smart people! Here's a better explanation:

    http://nationalpost.com/news/e…people-to-respond-to-them


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    Convenient list of self styled experts who believe they have a crystal ball that shows them the future.


    No, Adrian. Unlike some people here, critics and skeptics learn from experience. And nothing but the rankest and foulest BS has ever emanated from Rossi. Only the very most extremely super-gullible individual would think that this could change at this point.


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    Even if quark reactor the size of a wallet after running for month in SSM leaves the branding burn mark on a sceptics' skin, they will accuse Rossi in finding elaborate and fake way to do that.


    Complete nonsense, Max. Come and bring that crappolla **after** Rossi actually produces more energy than he consumes in a transparent, credible manner, with proper verification by competent scientists. Your argument is idiocy in TWO ways. First, the claim itself is pure sophistry. More important and convincing, if Rossi really had something and proved it, nobody would give a flying f*ck what skeptics thought. Ever think about that?

  • @AA -no crystal ball needed to understand.

    What is you vision from today's perspective, knowing (or maybe not?) what happened with all these Rossi presentations or product announcement in the past? Any product on the market? Or just hot air (not even hot steam I guess...) ? Oh I forgot the dozen of sold 1MW plants, may be you can help us find out where these cats are working with their satisfied customers....

  • Quote

    You can't single out Rossi out of huge number of scientists potentially running scams in even more sophisticated way. It will continue in such a way until we stop having two physicists having 3 different explanations for same event.

    Do you know anybody who experienced time dilution for instance i.e. both of those twins?

    How many other things you can detect with a sensitive interferometer like LIGO, maybe one day they actually catch ether wind and we return to the base we were 100 years ago?

    Let's not go for this argument.

    Please give Rossi at least one thing. For what he has done and has not, he inspired many people to start looking into LENR, oftentimes called 'Rossi effect' in a good meaning.


    A collection of nonsense. The first paragraph is meaningless. As for the "Rossi effect," what it has done is made investors extremely cautious and reluctant to invest in LENR research lest they suffer the same fate as Darden, Vaughn and IH -- you seem to forget, Max, that they were rudely cheated out of $11 million in up front cash and perhaps another $5 million or more in legal bills. For all of that, they got tons of aggravation, time lost from other projects, and then they ended up having to let go qualified staff scientists and engineers. That was truly a Rossi success, wasn't it, Max? And the only thing they learned about LENR was that it seems to be a good vehicle for launching scams. They should have gotten an advance lesson out of Defkalion on that score.

  • Predictions:


    - We will first learn that according to the agreement with IH, Dewey has accepted to be the MC for the november presentation. He cracks a few jokes about whether Rossi is a planet or should it be reclassified as a dwarf planet.


    - A hologram of P and F shows up, but the power flickers and runs out. "This was the something new I was mentioning" - claim Rossi as he does some percussive maintenance


    - The entire IH crew will dance around like opera ballet etoiles chanting "stellar, stellar". Investors are convinced.


    - Mary Yugo finally reveals herself. It's not what you expected but everyone is happy and accepting. "I told you so!" - says Axil


    - Some banker from India locks up the factory. Fortunately it turns out Bob Greenyer brought his bolt cutters and manages to get everyone out. We see him trying to deactivate the e-cat device with his homemade muon detector, then run away followed by a series of CGI explosions.


    - Everyone meets up at the local bar, for a demo of the latest pinball machine. Developed by a Swedish university.



    The end