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    Another very good example what can be found inside the court papers is the the question if Darden is acting on behalf of Cherokee Investment Partners


    ... at the Beginning 2012, ok one could say IH does not exist, so they used their company accounts, but later 2013...

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/att…rokee-september-2012-pdf/


    ...even Dewey Weaver's DRV has the case under Cherokee_LENR...

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/att…-cherokee-april-2013-pdf/


    ... and the climate is 2016 Thomas Darden as Cherokee representive delivering contact data to Israel, for unknow reasons ...

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/att…herokee-februar-2016-pdf/


    ... apropos Dewey Weaver, Vaughn reported him that "he has super heated steam [...] 130 degrees C, rising"

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/att…steam-130dg-dez-2013-pdf/

    @THHuxleynew


    What I want to demonstrate by going back to court papers is, that nothing is yet proofed. Both sides strongly tend to make it appear that the case has already been solved and either one or the other side has lost, but the court files simply do not allow this conclusion. If you want, you can interpret everything in the files and that is exactly what will happen, because in a jury procedure there is simply no time to ask every detail, but a plausible overall pictures must be drawn and this will be with the available material for both sides very difficult.

    that Cherokee has invested more in IH than Woodward


    That is not the question, the question is, does Darden act on behalf of Cherokee Investment Partners, or on behalf of Industrial Heat LLC, IPH International BV, IPHBV Holdings, IH Holdings International (what so ever) at the time he was negotiating with Rossi, so the question is with whom Rossi spoke, with the representative of Cherokee Investment Partners or someone else and whether one can separate it at all?

    Addition: and if you have a look at the email headers, than there is no separation by Darden himself, he uses his Cherokee mail account for IH communication and vice versa.

    The heat exchanger story is a good example, as the IH expert Rick A. Smith has shown in his report by means of photographs, there was this serpentine heat exchanger, just as Rossi has described it to Wong. What sense should the installation of this heat exchanger make, if the Ecat plant does not work? Because according to the agreements between IH and JM Products, no IH personal would have been allowed to take a look into the black box. This heat exchanger makes sense only if heat is actually produced, if this was all a fake, this installation would have been completely unnecessary.

    https://thenewfire.files.wordp…_1_to_15_ocr.pdf#page=136

    Could you define mocking parade?


    Formation of a company braid to for pretending of size and cover-up of responsibilities.


    I accept that Darden works for both Cherokee and IH, and that Cherokee have invested in IH. As have Woodward.


    This is quibbling!


    Would you like to answer my point about external research companies? Without such restrictions, how could IH validate LENR technology? It is far from what you interpret, and sort of necessary for anyone except Rossi who does not validate technology.


    The plant was, so to speak, in its possession, on Cherokees land in Raleigh North Carolina. Why did they do not perform a long-term test there, as foreseen in the agreement with Rossi and instead try to develop other devices, that are of no value to Rossi, but only for Darden et.al. (see above, how they tread other partners)?


    Because they have not found a customer? Ridiculous!


    Darden et al. did not want to pay the 89 million, that is the only reason. They had it long time in their hands to test the plant under self-chosen scientific criteria, with self-chosen experts, extensively according to the agreements and have not done it.


    Rossi's test in Florida is, of course, not a clean thing in the sense of a proper business deal, but under the given circumstances, at least an explicable organizational act that is even not denied by Rossi in his deposition in court.
    But here we have to separate precisely, between the business on the one hand side and the test results of the plant and the evaluations and the report of Penon on the other. To say that the report must be faulty, or even preposterous, is not the solution, because with the means available to us from the outside, we simply do not have the possibility to produce evidence and therefore it is all but a presumption.

    if you read your quote carefully:


    I would advice you to read the court papers carefully:


    Quote

    Q.· ·By whom are you currently employed?

    A.· ·I work for Cherokee Investment Partners. I also work on behalf of a number of the different venture deals that we've invested in.

    https://thenewfire.files.wordp…_1_to_42_ocr.pdf#page=203


    One of these Investment is IH or better the mocking parade (Industrial Heat LLC, IPH International BV, IPHBV Holdings, IH Holdings International) "It's a complicated structure" (Thomas Darden)


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    Q.· ·Do you have several e-mail addresses?

    A.· ·Yes.

    Q.· ·Can you please provide those.

    A.· ·Tdarden@industrialheatco, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected].


    So if you as an owner of an investment company are working for your own investment what do you call it?

    And directly contradicting the implication you make, from your own quote:


    Our long term goal is to gather these technologies and researchers and get the technology out to others who can implement and do further research." (Thomas Darden)

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    "They will have no rights to the technology, or very limited rights, and they will have to create a limited internal group with restricted access to information. That group will not share their knowledge or work on other LENR projects. IH will get their data and engineering work."(Thomas Darden)


    That is the strategy of Cherokee Investment Partners and it is all about Cherokee Investment Partners, when Thomas Darden acts it is for Cherokee Investment Partners even if they build up dozens of mocking companies structures in US and overseas (which he himself loses the overview), to hide it:



    ...and for an owner of such a big investment company is there a lot of "I don't remember" in this deposition!


    https://thenewfire.files.wordp…_1_to_42_ocr.pdf#page=199

    The points above are not facts.

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    "Our primary work now focuses on intellectual property development and on developing business partnerships. We want to acquire other technology rights and to find deployment partners that can implement. We want to see LENR technologies developed by larger, more sophisticated companies. We have visited two large technology-based manufacturing businesses to discuss limited, research-based licenses. We have traded drafts of such an agreement with one, and it appears they will sign something acceptable to us. Under the discussed terms, they will assess our technology both theoretically and through testing. They will have no rights to the technology, or very limited rights, and they will have to create a limited internal group with restricted access to information. That group will not share their knowledge or work on other LENR projects. IH will get their data and engineering work. Either of us can stop the process at any time. We have been contacted by several of Rossi's unhappy licensees from outside our geographic territory. We generally have avoided such conversations. But this is happening because people see us as an aggregator of LENR technologies and a friendly supporter, which is consistent with reality and helpful to us. Our long term goal is to gather these technologies and researchers and get the technology out to others who can implement and do further research." (Thomas Darden)


    https://thenewfire.files.wordp…nd_3_exhibits.pdf#page=17

    It is not about faith but about facts.


    Fact is, there are several reports and expert opinions (such as the Lugano Report, the Penon Report, the Wong Opinion etc.pp.), which are mentioned in this court proceedings, from respected scientists, who confirm that the 1MW Ecat Plant works, Cherokee Investment Partner has only two technicians that make assumptions without having ever tested the system itself.


    And there is Cherokee Investment Partners, Thomas Darden et.al., who by all means try to get the entire IP of LENR Technology world-wide under their control with an impenetrable network of sham companies, where they do not even know themselves, witch management position they have inside this companies.


    Darden et al. wanted to prevent with restraint tactics that it comes to the long-term test and they have tried with contract trickery to get out of the obligation of paying 89 million dollars.


    All this was anticipated by Rossi and together with his lawyers and so they staged this fake event with JM-Products, to give Rossi the possibility to fulfill the contractual obligations, ie the long-term test, because Rossi could have waited for ever that Cherokee Investment Partner presented him the promised own customer and thus he would never have been able to fulfill the contract.


    Darden et al. were never interested in working with Rossi as an industrial partner, they wanted to get his IP and, above all, the formula for his fuel as quickly and cheaply as possible and then award licenses to other contract partners from the big industry and thereby become dizzying rich.


    At the end Rossi would have been still a marginal figure in this game.

    I. NATURE OF ACTION

    l. ROSSI is the sole inventor of a revolutionary low energy nuclear reactor, popularly known as the "Energy Catalyzer' ot "E-Cat" (hereafter "E-Cat"), which through the use of a catalyst, generates a low energy nuclear reaction resulting in an exothermic release of energy at a cost well below more traditional energy sources.

    IH's primary work focused on intellectual property development and on developing business partnerships. IH wanted to acquire other technology rights and to find deployment partners that can implement. IH had visited two large technology-based manufacturing businesses to discuss limited, research-based licenses. IH had, without Rossi, traded drafts of an agreement with one company and granted access to IH's (Leonardos) LENR technology both theoretically and through testing, without granting rights to the technology, or very limited rights, granting access for a created limited internal group with restricted access to information, to get their data and engineering work, where either of the contractors can stop the process at any time. They had have contact to several of Rossi's former licensees from outside the IH licenses geographic territory, that are seeing IH as an aggregator of LENR technologies and a friendly supporter. IH's long term goal was to gather these technologies and researchers and get the technology out to others who can implement and do further research and IH wanted to see LENR technologies developed by larger, more sophisticated companies, other than Rossi's Leonardo Corp.

    I would like to explain generally, what it is about 'Banning members at http://www.lenr-forum.com' !

    There is no such thing that a single Admin or Moderator is able to delete or ban a user permanently, there is always a rollback possibility and we (Admins and Moderators) discuss internally every single incident down to the last detail.

    Greets
    Felix Rends