Posts by Valeriy Tarasov


    The Holmlid reaction is an example of such a lithium free LENR reaction. The accumulation of infrared photons on the surface of the HRM is the active agent that produces the LENR effect.

    The energy excess of a lithium free LEN reactions is not so big as in E-cat with lithium (as in the first Focardi papers with nickel roads). The LEN reactions in such setups are likely to be different from that in E-cat. All data are important. But, IMHO, just from the point of LENR field development, it will be more effective at first to solve the more prominent LENR mechanism on a base of lithium usage, since nobody will stay against such huge amount of released energy.

    Just some thoughts.

    If we believe that lithium fission through the intermediate beryllium takes place in E-cat, then we should think about all conditions favorable for this. It is clear that this reaction takes place outside of nickel particles. It is hard to believe that lithium is diffusing into nickel lattice and there we have its fission. What is the role of nickel particles in this case? Again it is clear, that nickel is not simple source of the protons, otherwise presence of LiAlH will be sufficient for LENR, but this is not the case. Another fact is that LENR take place in powder or in metal road with cracks. From this we can make proposal that LENR take place in small closed volume surrounded by nickel surface. In this volume we should have some amount of lithium and protons. I.e. the LENR fuel should have the structure of cheese with closed holes and these holes should be filed with lithium and protons. How it can happen? Lithium can be kept in these holes after mixing with nickel powder followed by its sintering, heating to form the cheese structure. Hydrogen will come to the holes from nickel since it will be saturated with hydrogen (from LiAlH or external supply of H2). Such sintering of nickel and Li powder (or LiAlH) can be an additional step in fuel preparation. Long and slow heating of fuel (nickel plus LiAlH) in Parhomov's experiment can be consider as the sintering, not only to releas hydrogen slowly and to avoid destruction of the reactor. Why nickel is used? I can say that reason for this is ability of nickel to soak the hydrogen and then to release it in these "holes" filled with lithium.

    In other words we should create a lot of nickel reactors in size of micrometer, and fuel inside of these reactors is lithium and atomic hydrogen (protons).

    Valeriy, what you try to explain is not clear to me. In my view mass spectrometers are the ideal instruments to measure mass/charge ratio and I have never heard that (I guess - 1 electron?) ionized hydrogen, oxigen or carbon ions would give other than…

    Of course, nowadays, the mass spectrometers are ideal and indispensable, for instance, to measure masses of organic molecules like peptides (for protein sequence reading) they are absolutely precise. They use different types of ionization, but in result of this the same charge have both longer and shorter peptides, and the only change is the mass (length) of peptide. No question to this method in my view.

    Another question is about measurement of the ions of different elements from the periodic table.

    First paper from Thomson about canal rays was in 1907 and he interpreted the spots in the same way as Wien – the most declined part of these sports should be for positive atomic hydrogen ions. It is interesting to read this paper and to see how he actually tried to explain the strange results and to conclude that hydrogen should be in his data. I can send it to you if you wont. In my opinion the main forcing argument was anyway not what he did, but the earlier data of atomic hydrogen e/m from electrolysis.

    From the paper: “Considering for the present the upper portion, the straightness of the edges shows that the velocity of the rays is approximately constant, while the values of e/m range from zero at the undefleeted portion to the value approximately equal to 104 at the top of the deflected band. This value of e/m is equal to that for a charged hydrogen atom, and moreover there was no specially great luminosity in the positions corresponding to e/m =lO4/14 and lO4/16, the values for rays carried by nitrogen or oxygen atoms, though these places were carefully serutinised.”

    This was in the paper from 1907. In the paper 1913
    (Rays of positive electricityJoseph John Thomson Proceedings of the Royal Society A 89, 1-20 (1913) [as excerpted in Henry A. Boorse & Lloyd Motz, The World of the Atom, Vol. 1 (New York: Basic Books, 1966)]; from link -

    e/m of oxygen, carbon ions were calculated relative to “the most deflected parabola” defined by him as a hydrogen parabola.

    From the paper: “Thus, if we know the value of e/m for one parabola, we can with very little labor deduce the values of e/m for all the others. As the parabola corresponding to the hydrogen atom is found on practically all the plates, and as this can be at once recognized, since it is always the most deflected parabola, it is a very easy matter to find the values of m/e for the other particles. Photographs made by the positive rays after they have suffered electric and magnetic deflections are reproduced in Figure 2. The apparatus I have used for photographing the rays is shown in Figure 3. “

    What exactly was on his Figure 2 in this paper, instead of “carbon” and “oxygen” parabolas, is difficult to say. I can speculate that these parabolas can correspond to the ions of molecules, not atomic ions, as these parabolas corresponds to heavier ions, if we consider my interpretation.

    I really would like to see if somebody can point to other papers with measurements of e/m for C+ and O+. It will be a good help for me, for the analysis.

    Wich type of nickel is used in this test? From video (in Russian) about Parhomov replications, nickel should be produced by Mond process (known as "carbonyl nickel"), I.e. highly pure nickel, not from electrophoresis, electrolytic nickel

    It is reasonable to ask about others than Thomson’s and Wien’s experiments. For instance, the 1836-fold difference in the charge-to-mass ratios of the electron and proton was also determined in experiments using ion cyclotron resonance mass spectrometry (Gräff, G., Kalinowsky, H., Traut, J., 1980 A direct determination of the proton electron mass ratio. Zeitschrift für Physik A Atoms and Nuclei, 297: 35-39). How can this experimental data be explained? Since the protons in these experiments were generated by electron bombardment of the residual gas, and before measurements the ions were selected to remove the ions heavier than hydrogen (with ratio less than 1/1836), these researchers actually selected and measured the charge-to-mass ratio not for proton, but for a monovalent ion of carbon, C+, generated from the residual CO2 gas. Before Wien’s and Thomson’s experiments, the charge-to-mass ratio of the proton was calculated from the Faraday constant (defined from the electrophoresis experiments), the Avogadro constant and the mass of the hydrogen atom. Wien and Thomson knew this value and this knowledge gave them the reason to believe that what they identified as the most declined ions corresponded to hydrogen ions. In h-space theory the calculation from the electrophoresis experiments is incorrect, since the charge of the atomic hydrogen ions is not equal to the charge of the cathode ions. Similar in R.A. Millikan’s oil drop experiments, the charge of monovalent ion is not equal to the charge of a free electron.

    Without experimental evidence the claimed mistake of conventional physics is not more than a hypothesis, and the purpose of this post to initiate interest and organize support for setting up this experiment. In our days, Thomson’s like experiment should be relatively easy to perform in technical terms, it doesn’t need too much money and it can be organised on base of open science concept. All suggestions and comments are welcome.

    The latest pdf version of the h-pace theory can be downloaded from my website -
    This work is also published on amazon and the paper book can be purchased on amazon -

    For the last five years, from the first public demonstration in 2011, the development of the E-cat had a significant progress in engineering of the commercial product. In contrast, less clear is the LENR mechanism, even after publishing the patent and two reports of E-cat tests. The major input in heat generation, according to Rossi’s patent, have alpha particles generated from fission of beryllium nuclei as a product of lithium nuclei and protons interaction. The problem with this reaction is the lack of energy of the protons. The energy of protons from heating is far less as it should be to overcome the classical Coulomb repulsion between proton and lithium nuclei. Even if some mechanism like tunneling can be suggested, there are not enough protons having such a high energy to maintain intensive LEN reaction generating the observed heat excess.

    If we look on LENR field outside the E-cat story the current understanding of LENR mechanism is even more uncertain since the prevailing idea of LENR is still inherited from Cold/Hot fusion concept. The researches from both hot-fusion and LENR fields believe that the fusion of deuterons should result in the helium synthesis and heat excess. At the begging of E-cat development the same idea was popular. Transmutation of nickel to cupper and generation of heat excess was considered as result of fusion process in the E-cat fuel.

    The h-space theory is a variant of theory of everything. It presents a reevaluation of physics from the ground. In h-space theory LENR is natural process, but LENR explanation in this theory faces a major problem, the validity of the h-space theory itself. Acceptance of the LENR explanation requires at first the theory verification. The proposed interpretations of many physical phenomena are not enough. The theory needs a key experiment for its verification. Such an experiment exists and it is about determination of the charge-to-mass ratio of a free proton. It is quite confusing to hear this since the charge-to-mass ratio was determined long time ago and repeated many times in different experimental variations. Nevertheless, in h-space theory the charge-to-mass ratio of free proton is different. This is due to the corrections of the electron charge and proton mass. The proton mass is equal to 2/3 of its textbook value. The proton charge is equal to 1/3 of the electron charge. Both charge and mass of the electron are about 450 times larger than their values from the textbooks, so the charge-to-mass ratio of electron stays the same as in textbooks. The charge-to-mass ratio of proton is about 9 times (not 1836 times as in textbooks) less than that of the electron. All this is the consequence of the electric charge definition in h-space theory. It modifies the Coulomb law at atomic scales and introduces the model of atomic nuclei as a complex composed from positrons and electrons. According to h-space theory in atom:
    1. at distances between 10−10 to 10−15 meters, there is no attraction/repulsion of electrons and positrons;
    2. attraction/repulsion increases from zero at 10−10 meters to a maximum at 10−5 meters from the nucleus;
    3. the nucleons are not held by strong interaction.

    These properties of atoms and nuclei allow naturally explain LENR. The problem of overcoming the Coulomb repulsion between the nuclei and protons becomes not relevant for the distance range from 10−10 to 10−15 meters. In the range of distance 10−5–10−10 meters the repulsion takes place and decreases from 10−5 meters to 10−10 meters. The same decrease is true for the distance bigger than 10−5 meters. In condense matter, in the range of 10−5–10−10 meters, the repulsion between the nuclei and protons can be compensated by an attraction to the electrons placed at the same distance from the nucleus. The heating of a proton-saturated nickel powder in E-cat would increase the mobility of electrons and protons. Additionally, the pulsed magnetic field can also accelerate protons and electrons. The protons released from nickel powder can collide with themselves and lithium nuclei (as well as with nickel, aluminum and other elements nuclei). The protons in nickel lattice can collide with themselves, electrons and nickel nuclei. All these can lead to:
    1. the fission of proton and lithium nuclei (as well as nickel, aluminum and other elements nuclei);
    2. the fusion reactions generating neutrons and the nuclei not present initially, as the complexes of positrons and electrons.

    In h-space theory, the LEN fission reactions should be more effective at the distance range of micrometers since at the distances from 10−5 to 10−10 meters the Coulomb repulsion between the nuclei and protons decreases. This implies that nickel powder in size of microns can be favorable for effective LEN reactions. For this distance in space between the nickel particles, the colliding protons and lithium nuclei will have the decreasing Coulomb repulsion from maximum to zero. If the distance between the protons and lithium nuclei is bigger than 10−5 meters, their collisions will face the opposite effect, the increase of the Coulomb repulsion having its maximum at 10−5 meters. This makes less probable the collision of the protons and lithium nuclei, followed by their fission, from the distance bigger than 10−5 meters.

    All fission reactions will generate heat and nuclear transmutations. The high level of heat production seen in the E-cat is due to the fission of lithium resulting in production of alpha particles. The energy of generated alpha particles can be consumed by the protons, and this will keep the LEN reactions in self sustain mode, without external heating. The low efficiency of the earlier experiments with nickel rods can be explained by a lower rate of protons and nickel nuclei fission in comparison with E-cat having lithium as fuel.

    In h-space theory, the nuclear fusion reactions are possible as secondary processes and they do not generate the heat excess. The only nuclear source of energy is fission of stable atomic nuclei in LENR or conventional fission of radioactive isotopes. The claimed thermonuclear effect of deuterium fusion in the thermonuclear explosion can be interpreted as the lithium fission since lithium (6Li) deuteride fuel was used in this process.

    As it was mentioned above, the proposed LENR explanation can be true if h-space theory will have crucial experimental support. Such an experimental verification can be achieved in the experiment design as a modification of the experiments made in the past by W. Wien and J.J. Thomson (Thomson J.J. On rays of positive electricity. Philosophical Magazine Series 6 Volume 13, Issue 77, 1907; Wien K. 100 years of ion beams: Willy Wien's canal rays. Braz.J.Phys., 1999, 29, 401). In this experiment it can be demonstrated that the value of the charge-to-mass ratio of proton, i.e. atomic hydrogen ion determined by J.J. Thomson’s and W. Wien is not correct. Thomson and Wien had detected the ions spots the upper part of which (corresponding the most declined ions) they identified as hydrogen ions spots. However, Thomson detected neither oxygen nor nitrogen ions, even when he used air as the gas for discharged-tube. Wien could not find carbon ions spot when he used CO2 as the fill gas in his device. Thomson found out also that at low pressure, whatever kind of gas was used, the spots of deflected ions were always the same. One of them corresponded to the atomic hydrogen ion (proton) having the ratio about 1/1836, while the second one had the charge-to-mass ratio of the molecular hydrogen ion, 1/3672. The absence of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon ions spots in these experiments surprised them since all these ions were in abundance in comparison with hydrogen ions. Nevertheless, the only logical explanation of observed results was to suggest the presence of hydrogen ions, even though the source of the hydrogen gas was unknown. In h-space theory these strange results have a following explanation. The charge-to-mass ratio of C+ is approximately 1/1974 of the charge-to-mass ratio of the electron. For O+, the ratio is about 1/3528. It means that the spots of H+ and H2+ ions were actually the spots of C+ and O+ ions. This explains the absence of oxygen and carbon ions spots, for which Thomson and Wien expected the ratios 1/22032 for C+ and 1/29376 for O+.

    To demonstrate the presence of oxygen and carbon ions in the spots detected by J.J. Thomson his experiment should be modified for additional chemical detection of oxygen and carbon. For this purpose, the chromium metal plate as a detection screen can be used in addition to the screen used for detection of deflected ions. If the proposed theory is correct, then the ions spots defined as hydrogen spots from the deflection should have different color corresponding to chromium oxide and chromium carbide. The chemical reaction of hydrogen with chromium should not give the colored spots. Other metal screen can also be considered in this experimental setup.

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    I think the inside-out design (see the picture) of reactor should be better in terms of heat exchange and temperature control.

    I would like to clarify three points about the suggested inside-out design of the reactor.

    1. The inside-out design allows to deliver heat to “a consumer” better than the tested now design (used in the replications by MFMP members, Parchomov, Denis Vasilenko) exactly because of the principle of the inverted scheme. Why? It is because of the temperature gradient from heater inside to outside reactor tubes. The heater placed inside will maintain the temperature and LEN reaction (at certain temperature because of heater) in the layer of fuel more close to heater and the outer layer of fuel can have lower temperature, because of delivering heat to the “consumer”, without the danger to shut down the LENR in the whole fuel completely, or to allow LENR to run away. From my point of view the temperature gradient of the fuel from inside to outside is a key for stable LENR and heat production.

    2. Sealing of the inside-out designed reactor at both ends is not difficult and not different from the tested design. Instead of roads with cement in the already tested design, the rings (as it was written, between the outer and inner reactor tubes) with cement can be used with the same efficiency as for the tested design.

    3.1. Not only temperature but also pulsed magnetic field can be used to maintain the LENR by using the coil with appropriate electric current on the outside tube of the reactor.

    Yes, I plan to do so with a thicker coil and operating temperatures up to 1300 C.

    1. It looks like the thermocouple placed in closed contact with the heater wire could cause the local overheating. What about to use another wider alumina tube and to place the reactor inside this tube, and the thermocouple can be placed outside, on this tube, to avoid this effect.

    2. Since the temperature limit for the heater wire is close to "the more interesting temperature” – 1200 C, there is no sense to continue to use this wire (if LENR takes place, the local temperature can be far beyond the 1200 and local overheating is evident, and heater will be broken). More temperature resistant wire is needed, or additional stimulation of LENR at low temperature, below 1200 C, should be used, probably by additional alternating current.

    According to the h-space theory, microwaves will be reflected (as well as all em quants) by nuclei (actually by positrons of nuclei) of atoms from the whole internal surface of the device without recoil. At the same time, these microwaves will be absorbed by the electrons of atoms. This will result in the increase of electrons velocity in the direction of microwaves radiation. Because of the asymmetrical form of the device more atoms at one end (the bigger circle) will have increased velocity in comparison with the smaller amount of atoms at the opposite end (smaller circle) in opposite direction. This will result in movement of the device in the direction from the smaller circle to bigger one. Absorption of microwaves by electrons will also cause the temperature increased of the device material in result of redistribution of the electrons velocity. This means that maximal thrust of the device will be observed at the beginning of microwaves radiation and then if the radiation continues the thrust will decrease and the temperature will increase.


    This violates [Newton]’s third law of motion, “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

    I like this sentence :) , since in the h-space theory microwaves behave exactly like this. It is one more evidence in support of the h-space theory. Newton’s third law of motion is not applied for em quants (only for elementary particles, atoms), they can be absorbed by electrons or be reflected by positrons (which comprise the nuclei of atoms) without recoil, i.e. without recoil of nuclei.

    Hello, I plan to, but only when there are ceramic tubes and when I completed yet part of the equipment for better monitoring of indications course of the experiment.

    Very good!
    I don't wont to interfere in your experiments, just I have not seen up to now normal scientific approach in recent amateur replications. It would be nice if we could see this in your replications, when step by steps all parameters are tested always in the presence of negative controls (i.e. when one parameter is absent in control, like H or Li).I would suggest also in the same way to test LiBH4 instead of LiAlH4, since interaction of protons with boron can give alpha particle, as well as for the case of interaction of lithium with protons.

    LiBH4 can be bought in SigmaAldrich

    Potentially LiBH4 can have bigger thermal effect than LiAlH4 and that would be worth to test.

    Greetings, I copied my notes in Google documents, and will be grateful if someone could build a graph.…zTc-Q/edit#gid=2004182210
    I also made a small report, the presentation file is in a
    The interesting thing begins in 39:00

    Have you ever planed to run two devices in parallel: one with LiAlH4 and second without LiAlH4, instead of LiAlH4, let say, only Al or LiAl alloy in the same amount as LiAlH4? Rest is the same in both tubes and all electricity parameters supposed to be the same during the run. The differences in temperature will be good indication of LEN reaction.