If I told you that I would have to kill you. Or teach you some chemistry.
A young smart guy who recently started making his own experiment
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Zephir_AWT I'm currently working with hydrogen so it's fine to be using KOH to make the electrolyte. When I move to use heavy water I'll need to use a different substance to make the electrolyte like the one that Alan has described.
As a general point, I'm happy to answer queries that people have about the work I'm doing so long as they are asked in a respectful and supportive way that helps us all to move forwards.
Let's support each other rather than try and catch each other out.
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Zephir_AWT I'm currently working with hydrogen so it's fine to be using KOH to make the electrolyte. When I move to use heavy water I'll need to use a different substance to make the electrolyte like the one that Alan has described.
As a general point, I'm happy to answer queries that people have about the work I'm doing so long as they are asked in a respectful and supportive way that helps us all to move forwards.
Let's support each other rather than try and catch each other out.
And that’s the spirit, precisely. We are happy to have you here matt , some of our members are a little grumpier but take no offense, we mods are here to keep discussion civil, polite and cooperative, even disagreeing can be done in those terms.
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matt, one question I have just out of curiosity and because is usually a matter of heated debate when a positive result is reported, and I have just not been able to answer myself by reading your experiment log, is what kind of thermocouple you are using, how many of them and at what positions within the setup they are located, as to better understand your baseline model and your measured data.
About the temp room effect I understand Dr. Mizuno also measures it to be able to subtract its effect from the data. I know, easier said than done, experiments are a lot of work and thus I am more than grateful for your hands on approach.
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Hey Curbina
This is the type K thermocouple I'm using https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermocouples/3971236/
The following posts from my log might help you see how it fits into the reactor:
https://gitlab.com/mklilley/lenr/issues/1#note_213760182
https://gitlab.com/mklilley/lenr/issues/1#note_213760246
I'm actually starting to have some trouble with my thermocouple the last couple of days - it keeps randomly jumping down by about 10C. I suspect it could be something to do with the hydrogen getting into the stainless steel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple#Type_K). Apparently Inconel has better resistance to hydrogen in this regard.
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I'm actually starting to have some trouble with my thermocouple the last couple of days - it keeps randomly jumping down by about 10C. I suspect it could be something to do with the hydrogen getting into the stainless steel
What metals do you use?
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Wyttenbach can you be more specific?
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Hey Curbina
This is the type K thermocouple I'm using https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thermocouples/3971236/
The following posts from my log might help you see how it fits into the reactor:
https://gitlab.com/mklilley/lenr/issues/1#note_213760182
https://gitlab.com/mklilley/lenr/issues/1#note_213760246
I'm actually starting to have some trouble with my thermocouple the last couple of days - it keeps randomly jumping down by about 10C. I suspect it could be something to do with the hydrogen getting into the stainless steel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple#Type_K). Apparently Inconel has better resistance to hydrogen in this regard.
ok matt, that was illustrative, thanks! so you have the TC completely inside the vessel with a long probe. That should be pretty good to avoid hot spots. However, and as you are now realizing, I asked about the type precisely because TCs, being built of metals, without doubt interact with Hydrogen and this makes them unreliable. That’s why they are often thought to be useless in this kind of experiments as they can’t really be trusted, this has been found many times, and that’s why some type of flow calorimetry is always favored so the TCs are never in direct contact with the internal chamber where the reaction is to take place.
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Wyttenbach can you be more specific?
Do you pretend to measure just the containment or do you use some fuel inside?
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Wyttenbach - I'm not 100% sure what you are asking, but perhaps it will help to say that I'm currently using hydrogen and nickel and palladium.
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Wyttenbach - I'm not 100% sure what you are asking, but perhaps it will help to say that I'm currently using hydrogen and nickel and palladium.
I think this is what Wyttenbach was asking as he asked for the kind of fuel and that normally in LENR has referred to the metallic lattice one is loading with H or D.
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I'm not 100% sure what you are asking, but perhaps it will help to say that I'm currently using hydrogen and nickel and palladium.
Pd converts to Ag (later Cd too) and also contains a small fraction of Ag. Ag shows some strange behavior as it owns long living magnetic moments. Whether this directly disturbs the TC current or induces local cooling/heating needs better experiments.
If your TC shows strange jumps then do a null run (without fuel and clean reactor & cleaned TC ) If it now works according specs then the cause is obvious.
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Thanks for the info Wyttenbach.
Doing blank runs is actually what I was doing the last couple of days - the jumps are still present.
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What material is in the TC's?
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What material is in the TC's?
Surely you are not using a stainless steel clad TC with the stainless in the electrolyte. Use a TC in a glass tube with a few drops of mineral oil for thermal transfer.
You may also be seeing some RF pick up from the TC wires. Check by reading the TC near but outside the container and make sure the TC is shielded and grounded.
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Surely you are not using a stainless steel clad TC with the stainless in the electrolyte. Use a TC in a glass tube with a few drops of mineral oil for thermal transfer.
You may also be seeing some RF pick up from the TC wires. Check by reading the TC near but outside the container and make sure the TC is shielded and grounded.
Hi oldguy , thanks for your message. I'm actually doing gas experiments not electrolysis. The link Alan shared is me making an electrolyte to go into a deuterium generator. I'll then use the deuterium gas that's produced in my experiments.
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This method of making heavy water into an electrolyte solution was used by F&P - - the chemistry is simple - 2 D20 +2Li = 2LiOD +D2. Using almost any other method, for example adding H2SO4, will introduce hydrogen species or using salts like NaCl introduces halogens. And yes- a little Li may be catalytic.
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